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>>19244727
It's not really that it's unfair. It's just more interesting to have the item clause limit. Like pointing you toward a poison type so you can use black sludge, or just more generally using different items and needing to build around the limitation. Restriction breeds creativity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 20:54:30 No.19244773 Report

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>>19244709
>My Poison type team is Black Sludge: The Movement

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 20:56:46 No.19244801 Report

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>>19244771
Item clause just means 1 wall per team. 2 if you include Black Sludge, but that's very limited. Leftovers is the only renewable recovery item, stall teams can't function without it. Item clause doesn't breed creativity, it screws over entire playstyles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 20:57:01 No.19244802 Report

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>>19244771
lmao leppa berry your ass mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 20:57:57 No.19244811 Report

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>>19244771
>It's just more interesting to have the item clause limit.
It really isn't. All it does is force variation for the sake of variation while not actually making the game that much more fun.

>Restriction breeds creativity
When I can't even use certain Pokemon because they're ineffective without items I already have elsewhere on my team? It only reduces creativity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 20:58:39 No.19244817 Report

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>>19244757

Is this English dry wit, you fucking idiot?

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:01:18 No.19244842 Report

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>>19244757
>not knowing shit about smogon
>trying so hard to fit in
>3DPD reaction image

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:02:47 No.19244857 Report

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>>19244802

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:03:03 No.19244862 Report

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>>19244757
>smogon
>item clause
pick one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:05:42 No.19244905 Report

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>>19244757
Smogon doesn't have item clause
Game Freak does

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:08:27 No.19244940 Report

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>>19244714
You're just jealous, you can't get more lefties cuz you're a lazy ass fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:09:38 No.19244952 Report

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>>19244857
what's your problem, eh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:14:42 No.19244996 Report

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>>19244771
Item clause actually restricts creativity. With item clause, stall teams are nowhere near as effective since only 1 mon can run leftovers.

inb4goodfuckstallteams. Letting stall be a viable option allows more creativity in team building. If you think stall needs to go, then fine, but at that point you no longer care about creativity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:15:31 No.19245004 Report

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>>19244757
>because smogon says so
>smogon is the one who DOESN'T have item clause while nintendo/game freak does

jesus christ anti smogonfags can be hilarious sometimes

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:19:01 No.19245041 Report

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>>19244952
What does Leppa Berry have to do with item clause?

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:20:25 No.19245056 Report

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>>19244771

Using Black Sludge, ChestoRest and Harvest Sitrus so creative.

>>19244801

If your only form of recovery is Lefties, you are a shit wall.
Sure, they help, but Recover, Roost, Softboiled, Slack Off, Synthesis, NC Rest do way more...

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:29:27 No.19245150 Report

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>>19244996
>implying stall teams should be allowed

fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:29:43 No.19245153 Report

Quoted By: >>19245187 >>19245201 >>19245502

>There are people RIGHT NOW on /vp/ who think item clause is a bad thing

Top kek. Not having item clause just means that you see cookie cutter Life Orb sweepers and Leftovers stallers everywhere, which is fucking disgusting. Item clause separates good players from those who just slap a Life Orb on everything and call it a day.

>"B-but muh stall"

>He doesn't know about Toxic Orb Gliscor
>He doesn't know about Black Sludge Poison-types
>He doesn't know about Eviolite Chansey
>He doesn't know about Shed Shell Blissey who can escape M-Gengar
>He doesn't know about RestTalk
>He doesn't know about WishProtect
>He doesn't know about Slack Off Hippowdon
>He doesn't know about Roost Skarmory
>He doesn't know about Leech Seed Rocky Helmet Ferrothorn
>He doesn't know that stall teams can have offensive presence too instead of 6 x Leftovers
>He doesn't know about pretty much anything

tl;dr Item clause is not a bad thing. Everyone who is against item clause is basically just admitting that they have zero creativity and always want to take the easiest possible way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:33:37 No.19245187 Report

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>>19245153
>He doesn't know about Shed Shell Blissey who can escape M-Gengar
I can't believe I never thought of that.

But I run Rocky Helmet on my Blissey. I usually give leftovers to a more frail mon like Cofagrigus. I also use Quick Claw
I also make use of offensive and bulky mons like Heatran and Tyranitar.

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 21:35:03 No.19245201 Report

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>>19245153
preach, righteous anon

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Anonymous Fri 16 May 2014 22:03:38 No.19245502 Report

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>>19245153
For many Pokemon, Life Orb or Leftovers is the best thing they can run, and everything else is far inferior. And if you can't run what's optimal, they may not be worth running at all.

Yeah, some Pokemon make good use of other items. But for those that don't, you're suddenly extremely limited in trying to slot them into your team. That's bad.

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