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Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:35:08 No.19251930 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19251960

Why are people so concerned about the addition of gates to Hoenn locations in ORAS?

Why are people acting all retarded about removal of features without looking at Game Freak's B team's past work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:37:12 No.19251942 Report

Quoted By: >>19251954

>Why people complain about what makes a game worse

dunno man

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:40:48 No.19251954 Report

Quoted By: >>19251976 >>19252023 >>19252760

>>19251942
Gates are a technical necessity. They exist to guarantee the proper loading of tileset/texture data when accessing other maps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:41:52 No.19251960 Report

Quoted By: >>19251969 >>19251980

>>19251930
#1 The shit framerate will be back, I don't care about the 'b' team, they can't rebuild the engine in such a short time

#2 Gates are shit and slow down the game, but will most likely be added due to limitations

#3 It's not about removal, it's about bad implementation. They'll probably fuck up the contests by making them D/P style or adding some unnecessary shit, and they'll probably make the Battle Frontier easier for the kids.

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Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:43:29 No.19251969 Report

Quoted By: >>19251983

>>19251960
>they'll probably make the Battle Frontier easier for the kids
this made me cringe

please no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:44:36 No.19251976 Report

Quoted By: >>19251984 >>19252208

>>19251954
Hoenn never had them and the tiles loaded just fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:45:17 No.19251980 Report

Quoted By: >>19252013

>>19251960
>The shit framerate will be back
Speculation.
>Gates are shit and slow down the game
What the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:45:38 No.19251983 Report

Quoted By: >>19251996 >>19252001

>>19251969
>Ooh no a company pandering to their demographic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:46:23 No.19251984 Report

Quoted By: >>19252051

>>19251976
Hoenn only had gates on Route 110, yes. But we don't know how they programmed the maps to achieve that in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:49:49 No.19251996 Report

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>>19251983
Their demographic hasn't changed over the over so what in the blazes are you talking about? Unnecessarily casualising a series is most definitely something to frown upon.

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Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:51:07 No.19252001 Report

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>>19251983
>Wanting easy games to become even more easier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:52:48 No.19252013 Report

Quoted By: >>19252023

>>19251980
>Speculation.
There's nothing to speculate. There's literally no way they created another engine when one was already available. I'm sure it's not their fault, they didn't know it was going to be shit, but that's just how things play out.

>What the fuck are you talking about?
Hurts the flow. I'd rather smash a rock to get to the next Route north from Mauville than stop to enter a small empty room that serves little purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:54:48 No.19252023 Report

Quoted By: >>19252165

>>19252013
>There's nothing to speculate.
But there is. The games have been in the works for months. And Platinum fixed speed issues from Diamond and Pearl, even if it was still overall slower than all Generation III games. So what you're doing is speculating about something you know nothing about.
>a small empty room that serves little purpose
See >>19251954.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 11:59:10 No.19252051 Report

Quoted By: >>19252090

>>19251984
The maps were simply set up so that when maps of differing tilesets were connected, either no tiles exclusive to either map were to be visible while in the other map, or the maps were to have the visible tiles in the same positions in both tilesets (such as in the Battle Frontier).

For example, Slateport and Route 110 use differing tilesets, and so none of the Slateport-exclusive tiles are visible when at the border of Route 110, and none of the Route 110-exclusive tiles are visible when at the border of Slateport. As a result, when passing through this area with no tileset-exclusive tiles, the game is free to exchange the tilesets to no detriment of the map.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:03:40 No.19252090 Report

Quoted By: >>19252117

>>19252051
Thanks for the explanation. Well, given hoow the graphics are heavier now and that the perspective of the camera isn't the same (since you can most certainly see the textures and polygons of the upcoming map when approaching the borders of the current map), the remakes will most certainly have gates to make sure that the map data is loaded correctly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:08:06 No.19252117 Report

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>>19252090
Yes, I suppose. Either that or fit each tilest with copies of the other tilesets' tiles so that they're converted into the exact same things when the tilesets swap. I can't see them going to that much trouble, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:15:33 No.19252165 Report

Quoted By: >>19252200

>>19252023
>And Platinum fixed speed issues from Diamond and Pearl
Yeah, progressive wise. This case is purely related to optimization of code. Gamefreak didn't pull the most it could out of the 3DS and it shows.

The next Gamefreak A title will fix this. Not OR/As.

>>19252023
>Gates are a technical necessity. They exist to guarantee the proper loading of tileset/texture data when accessing other maps.
It serves little purpose to the player. If you're going to add gates, at least throw something fucking interesting in there. Not your standard guard and occasional useless NPC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:21:06 No.19252200 Report

Quoted By: >>19252270

>>19252165
>The next Gamefreak A title will fix this. Not OR/As.
Again, you don't know this. How about waiting for more official info and the final release before criticizing?
>It serves little purpose to the player.
But the point isn't to serve the player by adding interesting stuff to the gates, it's to serve the player by making sure the game doesn't crash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:22:14 No.19252208 Report

Quoted By: >>19252223

>>19251976
Because that was a GBA game you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:24:19 No.19252223 Report

Quoted By: >>19252303

>>19252208
FRLG Kanto also has gates and that was also on the GBA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:30:20 No.19252270 Report

Quoted By: >>19252280

>>19252200
>How about waiting for more official info and the final release before criticizing
I don't need any more info to know how basic game development works. And, since you love your patterns:

FR/LG used the same engine as R/S/E
HG/SS used the same engine as D/P/Pt
B/W2 used the same engine as B/W

Get it?

>the point isn't to serve the player by adding interesting stuff to the gates
>"I enjoy the bare minimum in my games"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:32:57 No.19252280 Report

Quoted By: >>19252328

>>19252270
>what is optimization and bug fixes
>implying bare minimum
Now I know you're trolling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:37:29 No.19252303 Report

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>>19252223
because red and blue and green also had gates so why remove them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:42:07 No.19252328 Report

Quoted By: >>19252341

>>19252280
>an empty room to connect routes is not bare minimum
???

>what is optimization and bug fixes
What the fuck are you even on about now? The remakes have always used the same engine as the mainline game. Unless there was another team working on an engine for this game, we'll see the same problems.

>"s-shit I was proven wrong"
>"FUCKING TROLL"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:44:00 No.19252341 Report

Quoted By: >>19252379

>>19252328
>The remakes have always used the same engine as the mainline game.
So the fucking what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:50:00 No.19252379 Report

Quoted By: >>19252401 >>19252413

>>19252341
So what?

So we get the same shit FPS we did in X and Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:52:50 No.19252401 Report

Quoted By: >>19252416

>>19252379
Again, you cannot prove it, regardless of how accurate your assumption is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:55:27 No.19252413 Report

Quoted By: >>19252493

>>19252379
You're talking out of your arse.
It's realistic to consider that Game Freak's B team might optimise the engine to get more out of the 3DS without shit framerates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 12:55:38 No.19252416 Report

Quoted By: >>19252452

>>19252401
Ok. There's a 99.9% I'm correct.

Will that soothe your autism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:01:20 No.19252452 Report

Quoted By: >>19252493

>>19252416
>autism
I can't wait until that word is filtered from /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:06:28 No.19252493 Report

Quoted By: >>19252500

>>19252413
It's not. Three years is not long enough to create a game (that isn't shit) and redo/optimize an engine. Considering GF-B has never done anything as such in the past, it further proves my point. For all we know, they could know absolutely nothing about programming engine, which is why GF-A has to make it for them.

>>19252452
First of all, nice side-stepping. Second, are you new? Calling someone autistic is used everywhere on 4chan.

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Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:07:55 No.19252500 Report

Quoted By: >>19252521

>>19252493
>implying /vp/ is a hivemind

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Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:11:11 No.19252521 Report

Quoted By: >>19252525

>>19252500
I didn't imply that anywhere.

What the fuck are you even talking about and why are you side-stepping?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:11:52 No.19252525 Report

Quoted By: >>19252539

>>19252521
I'm not even the same anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:13:14 No.19252539 Report

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>>19252525
Even still, your comment makes no sense.

Nice 25s though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:13:44 No.19252541 Report

Quoted By: >>19252699

>Yfw ORAS weights 16gb only to avoid implementing gates

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:38:43 No.19252699 Report

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>>19252541
Leaving gates out wouldn't change the size...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:45:23 No.19252760 Report

Quoted By: >>19252771 >>19252774

>>19251954
>They exist to guarantee the proper loading of tileset/texture data when accessing other maps.
You sure? The only place that fucks up in gen 1 by skipping the gates is route 23.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:46:33 No.19252771 Report

Quoted By: >>19252786

>>19252760
Yes, I'm sure. And what you said is not true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:46:46 No.19252774 Report

Quoted By: >>19252869

>>19252760
>gen 1
>textures
top lel

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Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:48:13 No.19252786 Report

Quoted By: >>19252859

>>19252771
Okay. Prove me wrong then. I walked all over gen 1 with noclip yesterday.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:54:31 No.19252859 Report

Quoted By: >>19252928

>>19252786
Ah, I did forget one thing though. The trainers had the wrong sprites when skipping the gates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 13:55:35 No.19252869 Report

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>>19252774
Gen 1 had tilesets,

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 14:03:04 No.19252928 Report

Quoted By: >>19252959

>>19252859
>The trainers had the wrong sprites when skipping the gates
You just proved yourself wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 14:07:02 No.19252959 Report

Quoted By: >>19252987

>>19252928
Well they could easily load the trainer sprites in the spots between the gates where there's no trainers. I think the gates were just there mostly for progression.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 14:11:16 No.19252987 Report

Quoted By: >>19253032

>>19252959
The gates were there for what I already said. NPCs are different elements, yes, but they're still affected.

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Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 14:17:38 No.19253032 Report

Quoted By: >>19253157

>>19252987
>but they're still affected.
Did you understand what I said? They could've just loaded the trainers where the gates were because there's no NPCs in those spots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 14:33:43 No.19253157 Report

Quoted By: >>19253181

>>19253032
You have no idea how programming works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 May 2014 14:37:09 No.19253181 Report

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>>19253157
You have no idea how sprite loading in gen 1 works.

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