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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:04:23 No.19288743 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19289374 >>19289394 >>19292916

>Excadrill used Aerial Ace

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:05:54 No.19288754 Report

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>Gogoat used Surf

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:13:45 No.19288821 Report

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Probably in game teams, or sets people are trying out.

>Charizard Y used Fly

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:21:08 No.19288887 Report

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>Garchomp used surf

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:25:54 No.19288933 Report

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>Delphox used Mystical Fire

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:27:43 No.19288951 Report

Quoted By: >>19289115 >>19289269 >>19289516

>Greninja used [physical move]

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:37:14 No.19289036 Report

Quoted By: >>19289105

>The opponent's Mega Charizard Y used Blast Burn!

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:43:26 No.19289084 Report

Quoted By: >>19289126 >>19289193 >>19289248 >>19290310

>Porygon-Z used Tri-Attack!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:45:14 No.19289100 Report

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>Garchomp used Dig

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:45:57 No.19289105 Report

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>>19289036
I encountered this exact thing when I was reverse laddering on showdown

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:46:25 No.19289109 Report

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>Talonflame used Tailwind!

R !!wxBJZk1b45E

R !!wxBJZk1b45E Tue 20 May 2014 03:47:07 No.19289115 Report

Quoted By: >>19289162 >>19289170 >>19289392

>>19288951
you're joking, right?

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:48:33 No.19289126 Report

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>>19289084
>Porygon-Z used Hyper Beam

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:53:35 No.19289162 Report

Quoted By: >>19289254

>>19289115
>physical Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:54:18 No.19289170 Report

Quoted By: >>19289238

>>19289115
physical greninja is trash

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:54:31 No.19289172 Report

Quoted By: >>19289198 >>19289221 >>19289244 >>19289248

>>19289126
>Lickilicky's Normal Gem activated!
>Lickilicky used Explosion!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:56:21 No.19289193 Report

Quoted By: >>19289213

>>19289084
Isnt that its best STAB move that isnt Hyper Beam?

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:57:04 No.19289198 Report

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>>19289172
>Dragonite's WP is activated!
Dragonite used Outrage!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:58:21 No.19289213 Report

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>>19289193
Imo and from personal experience, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 03:59:28 No.19289221 Report

Quoted By: >>19289244

>>19289172

>normal gem
>not banding it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:01:41 No.19289238 Report

Quoted By: >>19289321 >>19289806

>>19289170
Being this Smogonfag

His Attack stat is damn near equal to his Special Attack and his movepool is fine. You're bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:01:55 No.19289244 Report

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>>19289172
>>19289198
I think this is a thread about dumb things. Not good, high impact rectal violence.

>>19289213
It literally is its strongest special STAB move that isnt Hyper Beam.

>>19289221
But you could want to do other stuff and have explosion as a finisher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:02:07 No.19289248 Report

Quoted By: >>19289257

The point of this thread was for shit you see low-ladder that makes you face-palm. Not gimmick sets people don't actually use seriously.
>>19289172
>>19289126
>>19289084

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:03:28 No.19289254 Report

Quoted By: >>19289278 >>19289321

>>19289162
>wanting to be predictable
That's why I also run Will-O-Wisp/Taunt Talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:03:55 No.19289257 Report

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>>19289248
I honestly thought from the first few posts it was a thread about moves that don't make sense on Pokemon, not about silly newbie things.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:04:14 No.19289258 Report

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>Arcanine used Flare Blitz!
>Arcanine recovered some HP with its Oran Berry

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:05:26 No.19289269 Report

Quoted By: >>19289392

>>19288951
Physical Greninja works. You can't explain it. It just happens.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:06:35 No.19289278 Report

Quoted By: >>19289295

>>19289254

>mfw every time I face a talonflame they always try to do cheeky shit like this so I just stay in and OHKO them

WHERE IS YOUR PREDICTION NOW FAGGOT?

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:06:56 No.19289279 Report

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>Rotom-W used Will o Wisp!
>Rotom-W used Hex!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:08:31 No.19289295 Report

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>>19289278
>always
I doubt it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:10:59 No.19289321 Report

Quoted By: >>19289345 >>19289542 >>19289746

>>19289238
All of its physical moves have lower BP (especially Waterfall vs. Hydro Pump,) so its attack is effectively a lot lower. To use Acrobatics it can't use an item, it doesn't have a physical Grass, Psychic or Ice move, and it can't use PuP because it does not have the bulk to take any hits. Only reason to use it is Shadow Sneak.

>>19289254
Unpredictable sets only get you so far, especially on something as weak as Greninja. And Wisp/Taunt Talonflame is a good set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:13:13 No.19289345 Report

Quoted By: >>19289364 >>19289372

>>19289321
Shadow Sneak and U-Turn.

Mixed Greninja is best Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:15:27 No.19289364 Report

Quoted By: >>19290030

>>19289345

>mixed

this is only really good on like 5 things and greninja is not one of them. he needs all of those EVs in one stat to be able to actually kill things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:16:20 No.19289372 Report

Quoted By: >>19289395

>>19289345
U-Turn is good but just having it on the set doesn't really make him mixed, it's more of a utility move than anything.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:16:46 No.19289374 Report

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>>19288743
>Greninja used a physical move

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:17:54 No.19289384 Report

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> Bisharp used poison Jab

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:18:39 No.19289392 Report

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>>19289269
Yeah in NU probably

>>19289115
>Actually using physical greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:18:47 No.19289394 Report

Quoted By: >>19289409 >>19289420

>>19288743
Aerial Ace is actually based on a japanese swordfighting technique known as "Swallow-Tail Cutter" or something like that.
Thus, it makes sense.

>Being retarded to think that flying = it flies in the air to attack

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:18:58 No.19289395 Report

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>>19289372
its a physical move

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:20:23 No.19289409 Report

Quoted By: >>19289466

>>19289394
Man I want to think this is a joke but I know that this is /vp/ so it might be serious

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:20:58 No.19289420 Report

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>>19289394

>>19289395
I know, but what I'm saying is you're not really using it for the physical damage so much as the switching ability. Even if you're running U-Turn, there's not much point in splitting your EVs between ATK and SPA like you might on a real mixed set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:21:03 No.19289422 Report

Quoted By: >>19289471

>Aerial Ace, Rock Tomb, Bulldoze, Poison Jab, Smack Down, Dig, Thief, Payback, Flame Charge, Round, Echoed Voice, Brick Break, Steel Wing, Fling, Charge Beam, Sky Attack, Quash, Rock Smash, Snarl, Shadow Claw

So many shitty TMs..

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:21:19 No.19289430 Report

Quoted By: >>19289444

>>19289395
Running u-turn on a specially based mon doesn't make them a mixed sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:21:52 No.19289444 Report

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>>19289430
the original post said that the issue came from using a physical move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:23:00 No.19289454 Report

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>>19289395
You're not running attack EVs, you're not using it as coverage, you're only using it for its delayed switch.

I mean really, it's like calling Talonflame with Roost a bulky attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:24:43 No.19289466 Report

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>>19289409
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aerial_Ace#Trivia

Yeah jokes on you I was only pretending to be retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:25:04 No.19289471 Report

Quoted By: >>19289490 >>19289509

>>19289422
>Aerial Ace
>Poison Jab
>Theif
>Shadow Claw
>shit
Aerial Ace is totally acceptable in-game and even viable on certain Pokémon like Technician Scyther
Poison Jab and Shadow Claw aren't great but they're usable for STAB/coverage
Theif has massive utility in game, I've killed dozens of Luvdiscs for their Heart Scales with it.

>Inb4 some bullshit about how competitive is the only thing that matters

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:28:03 No.19289490 Report

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>>19289471
>>Inb4 some bullshit about how competitive is the only thing that matters

That's pretty much my entire argument, yeah. Said nothing about in-game use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:29:49 No.19289509 Report

Quoted By: >>19289517 >>19289581

>>19289471
Tell me one thing aerial ace is useful for on excadrill. It's for people who just click random moves on showdown teambuilder.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:30:54 No.19289516 Report

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>>19288951
Shadow Sneak is fucking useful faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:31:23 No.19289517 Report

Quoted By: >>19289532

>>19289509
I was never talking about Excadrill, I'm responding to a guy talking about "shitty TMs" in general.
>Tell me one thing
Disregarding accuracy/evasion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:32:40 No.19289529 Report

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i heard there's a bad in here

where's the bad at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:32:47 No.19289532 Report

Quoted By: >>19289577

>>19289517
Why are you on this thread if all you do is bitch?

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:34:10 No.19289542 Report

Quoted By: >>19289831

>>19289321
>Only reason to use it is Shadow Sneak.
And the only reason to use CharYzard is Sun.
Doesnt make it not incredibly good.

>Opponent goes to Drain punch with conkeldurr or MewtwoX
>Shadow Sneak
>essentially a Fake-out on any turn, putting them in kill range

Also
>psychic moves
lel. As if Psychic is good. You could say it counters his turn-1 fighting weakness but so does not using Ice beam, or
using Shadow Sneak

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:37:24 No.19289577 Report

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>>19289532
>In a thread about people bitching about other people making retarded movesets
>Complaining about people bitching

I'm not sure how giving reasonable responses to other people's comments and statements is "bitching"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:37:55 No.19289581 Report

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>>19289509
Hits breloom much harder than an Earthquake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:39:16 No.19289593 Report

Quoted By: >>19289618 >>19290011 >>19290023

I tried using Aerial Ace on Salamance for a while. Thought maybe a 90 power move would alright after a DD and a Moxie boost but it just doesnt work.

I just think its too bad it has an entire type it only uses to avoid Earthquakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:41:54 No.19289618 Report

Quoted By: >>19289644

>>19289593
Aerial Ace is only useful on Mega Aerodactyl because of Tough Claws.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:44:50 No.19289644 Report

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>>19289618
>Not using Sky Drop instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:55:34 No.19289746 Report

Quoted By: >>19289860

>>19289321

but it can use and item and still get a boosted acrobatics attack. I'll let your tiny brain figure out how.

Physical in general is weaker though, no argument there.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 04:57:53 No.19289764 Report

Quoted By: >>19293103

>Garchomp used Stealth Rock!

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:02:45 No.19289806 Report

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>>19289238
Its attack stat is lower than its special attack and it has no physical coverage movepool compared to it's special.
Stay sub-1400

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:03:06 No.19289811 Report

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nigga used dig on me earlier

dig

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:04:51 No.19289831 Report

Quoted By: >>19289961 >>19290085

>>19289542
Or Conkeldurr uses Knock Off instead because they expect you to switch. Shadow Sneak is way too weak and situational to use on something as fragile as Greninja, who needs all the coverage it can get.

And people use Extrasensory Greninja for Mega Venusaur and Conkeldurr. You never use Protean defensively because even resisted hits will do a ton.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:04:52 No.19289834 Report

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>Ledian used Swords Dance!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:07:15 No.19289860 Report

Quoted By: >>19290067

>>19289746
>I'll let your tiny brain figure out how
No need to be an ass, there's a ton of consumable items. Flying Gem is unreleased by the way.

At any rate, you're not using Life Orb, so you're not hitting anywhere near as hard with your other moves.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:08:02 No.19289869 Report

Quoted By: >>19289925

>Talonflame used Follow Me
>It failed

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:12:18 No.19289909 Report

Quoted By: >>19289968

>Anything used Swagger

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:14:39 No.19289925 Report

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>>19289869
>Your pokemon was burned by the Talonflame's Flame Body

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:18:55 No.19289961 Report

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>>19289831
>resisted hits
Thats why I play to immunities, faggot.
And it got me to 1300 in Ubers without trying in a few matches before I got bored. Lost like, 3 matches out of however many

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:19:57 No.19289968 Report

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>>19289909
ebic maym bro xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:23:26 No.19290011 Report

Quoted By: >>19290073

>>19289593
correct me if im wrong m8 but aerial ace is only 60 base power

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:24:36 No.19290023 Report

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>>19289593

Thundurus has any even worse problem with HP Flying.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:25:10 No.19290030 Report

Quoted By: >>19290068 >>19290116

>>19289364
what poke is a mixed set good on?

curious cause I've always wanted to run a mixed sweeper but they're generally not viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:28:10 No.19290067 Report

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>>19289860

it's not related to consumables or flying gem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:28:20 No.19290068 Report

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>>19290030

>nape
>megachomp
>megazard y

uh...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:29:04 No.19290073 Report

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>>19290011
With STAB its 90. Didnt say Base Power.

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:30:11 No.19290085 Report

Quoted By: >>19290145 >>19290201

>>19289831
>Mega Venusaur and Conkeldurr.
>252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 200 HP / 56 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 252-299 (62.8 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 273-322 (65.9 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 198-237 (56.2 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I mean, sure you're hitting it but
>Knock off
>Mach Punch
What are you even trying to accomplish in the process? Shadow Sneak is literally your only hope of actually staying in and getting an immunity to Conk's own Priority move (which will hit you first if you go for Extrasensory, which ends up: 252+ Atk Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 212-252 (74.1 - 88.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock) unless you actually carry bounce...

tl;dr, Shadow Sneak is the only way to prevent either you or your switch-in from getting stomped unless they're carrying a berry they wont use anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:32:43 No.19290116 Report

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>>19290030
Aegi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:34:58 No.19290145 Report

Quoted By: >>19290193

>>19290085
It OHKOs standard Keldeo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:39:03 No.19290193 Report

Quoted By: >>19290233

>>19290145
Do people run Scarf on that more than never?
Alternatively; Modest Froggy is outsped by Timid Keldeo by 3 points.

Either case results in a Secret Sword to the face

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:39:29 No.19290201 Report

Quoted By: >>19290308

>>19290085
>Bounce on Geninja
Its dumb but really flavorfull.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:42:13 No.19290233 Report

Quoted By: >>19290279 >>19290308

>>19290193
Scarf Keldeo is rare. And considering this meta, you WILL have hazards up. Keldeo dies to an extrasensory after rocks. Ive only seen one scarf keldeo ever and im at 1720 in OU right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:46:18 No.19290279 Report

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>>19290233
>And considering this meta, you WILL have hazards up.
I'll admit im a scrub and I also dont really care about the meta (But I do play it seriously) but I also never, ever see rocks except when I have my own rock setter (because they know they'll get the free turn)

Perhaps my lack of Talonflame or Charizard is why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:48:37 No.19290308 Report

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>>19290201
Yeah, I've considered it every time I made a Greninja, but always realized its a god awful idea.

>>19290233
Also that didnt address the Modest Greninja thing.
Sure Timid is probably the more viable one, but Modest = more power which is always better than being faster-er since that doesnt effect your battle and 122 Timid is pretty overkill in the speed category. Especially since omniSTAB prevents DDancing Dragonite (Whom cannot survive Ice beam)

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 05:48:40 No.19290310 Report

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>>19289084
EVERY FUCKING TIME!`

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 13:58:19 No.19292916 Report

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>>19288743
>Shedinja used Final Gambit

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 14:02:31 No.19292968 Report

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>Whimsicott used Nature Power!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 14:23:21 No.19293103 Report

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>>19289764

I usually use lead garchomp
because most people will often switch out of it

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Anonymous Tue 20 May 2014 14:28:36 No.19293145 Report

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>Mega Aggron used Aerial Ace

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