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Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:24:39 No.19343515 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19343527 >>19343586 >>19343587 >>19344513 >>19349075 >>19349148 >>19349186 >>19349243

Why is it so awful?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:25:41 No.19343527 Report

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>>19343515
How are you using it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:25:49 No.19343531 Report

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you just don't know how to use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:27:39 No.19343547 Report

Quoted By: >>19343599 >>19344206

Top tier threat in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:29:24 No.19343566 Report

Quoted By: >>19343605 >>19343634 >>19343670

Da fuck you talkin about nigga, Have you even used this thing in the sun?
>Sunny weather is up
>Get a Nasty Plot up
>+2 SpAtk + Solar Power boost fucks everything up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:30:09 No.19343578 Report

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Sweeped through 4 pokemon including a uber with just dark pulse. Awful your ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:31:08 No.19343586 Report

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>>19343515
You must be using it bad. Houndoom is awesome!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:31:10 No.19343587 Report

Quoted By: >>19343654

>>19343515
>tomycase

L-look at me, guys! I've managed to copy an art style!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:32:23 No.19343599 Report

Quoted By: >>19343602 >>19344370

>>19343547
I thought it had been banned in UU, just like everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:32:50 No.19343602 Report

Quoted By: >>19343609

>>19343599
It's been unbanned for more then a month.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:33:16 No.19343605 Report

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>>19343566
>having time to set up sun AND set up a NP with its nonexistent defenses

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:33:39 No.19343609 Report

Quoted By: >>19343645

>>19343602
Ahh, I stopped paying attention to UU when they banned Diggersby

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:35:22 No.19343634 Report

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>>19343566
Houndoom isn't awful but you aren't helping the case.

Having to set up twice with his speedtier and shit defenses gets you nowhere.

3 attack Nasty Plot or Flame Charge are the best sets for him by far, atleast in UU.

He's obviously outclassed in OU but he can function

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:36:18 No.19343645 Report

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>>19343609
people kept using Diggerby so much because it was a good check to Eagislash and also because of that stupid meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:37:12 No.19343654 Report

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Mega Houndoom is actually a good mon by itself. It's just held back by the fact that it can't hold other items, and that it takes up a mega slot, which you can't use for sun support from Zard-Y.

Would have been better if it were a direct evolution rather than Mega.

>>19343587
>Being this mad over a Ken Sumori-ist who can do it better than the thousand guys out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:37:52 No.19343664 Report

Quoted By: >>19343682

Situational ability. Nasty plot is generally more useful than sunny day. Having weather support from another member is a big investment.

I might be better in OU than UU, surprisingly, since like half of the teams run Charizard Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:38:13 No.19343670 Report

Quoted By: >>19343684

>>19343566
i haven't tried it but I imagine it could deal pretty big damage in doubles

>paired with ninetales (drought)
>ninetales used fire attack on houndoom
>flash fire activates
>houndoom used nasty plot

next turn
>mega evolve
>sun+flash fire+nasty plot+solar power

although its idealistic and probably too frail to pull it off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:39:29 No.19343682 Report

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>>19343664
this, Solarpower a shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 21:39:35 No.19343684 Report

Quoted By: >>19350090

>>19343670
dat earthquake/rock slide weakness

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:31:43 No.19344206 Report

Quoted By: >>19344231

>>19343547

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:33:37 No.19344231 Report

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>>19344206
*fap* *fap* *fap*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:38:40 No.19344285 Report

Quoted By: >>19344344 >>19353977

Houndoom (Houndoom) (M) @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 180 HP / 76 Def / 108 SAtk / 144 Spd
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect

Meowstic (Meowstic) (M) @ Heat Rock
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SDef
Bold Nature
- Sunny Day
- Thunder Wave
- Helping Hand
- Charm

pretty useful in VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:40:15 No.19344297 Report

Quoted By: >>19344318 >>19344401 >>19344402

Why isnt this design based on Cerberus, godammit, so many wasted opportunities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:42:35 No.19344318 Report

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>>19344297
Because i don't want a three headed Houndoom, it would be fucking disgusting too watch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:45:08 No.19344344 Report

Quoted By: >>19344358

>>19344285
>Houndoominite
Wait, is this really what the Mega Stone is called? It sounds dumb as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:46:40 No.19344358 Report

Quoted By: >>19344538

>>19344344
name one mega stone that doesn't sound dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:48:04 No.19344370 Report

Quoted By: >>19344422

>>19343599
UU Bans and unbans shit daily, nobody take it seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:50:47 No.19344401 Report

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>>19344297
Not EVERY HELLHOUND EVER needs to be based on Cerberus. There's only one of those. There's tons of hellhounds. It allows them to get a little more creative. I'm sick of three headed dogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:50:49 No.19344402 Report

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>>19344297
>grows two more brain and then gets retarded at the end of the battle
Yeah no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:53:26 No.19344422 Report

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>>19344370
>I don't know what retesting is

jesus fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:56:06 No.19344457 Report

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it beats deosharp so i guess it has that going for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 22:59:58 No.19344497 Report

Quoted By: >>19344576

>Lead Meowstic and Houndoom in doubles
>Turn 1: Prankster Sunny Day and Protect + Mega Shinka
>Turn 2: Heat Have + Helping Hand

Just be careful of Tyranitar and you'll be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 23:01:39 No.19344513 Report

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>>19343515
It isn't that awful, it just requires a ton of support to do its job well. Which makes it overshadowed by Zard Y, which supports itself and the rest of the team pretty well, but is slower and weaker (after factoring in Solar Power).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 23:04:32 No.19344538 Report

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>>19344358
Mewtwonite X. Sounds like some Unobtainium shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 23:06:34 No.19344562 Report

Quoted By: >>19344576 >>19344584

Heat wave is b& in vgc this year, it's a tutor move.
Can work perfectly in battle spot ranked doubles and smogon doubles though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 23:07:35 No.19344576 Report

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>>19344562
meant to quote
>>19344497

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 23:08:08 No.19344584 Report

Quoted By: >>19344604

>>19344562
I seriously hope ORAS brings that tutor back. My kalos houndoom and zapdos are waiting for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 May 2014 23:10:03 No.19344604 Report

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>>19344584
So is my Chatot, oh boy, imagine that thing with Boomburst Chatter Nasty Plot Heat Wave

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 05:45:55 No.19349075 Report

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>>19343515
>Fire Blast
>Dark Pulse
>Destiny Bond
>Roar

I personally love Houndoom, and this set usually works fine, aside from the occasional sweep.
>they are setting up
Roar
>They will KO next turn or swap into their sweeper
Destiny bond
>they use sunny day ever
sweep them

And then of course STAB dark pulse and fire blast, which are always nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 05:48:55 No.19349103 Report

Quoted By: >>19349116 >>19349167

>U JUZT DONT NO HOW 2 USE!!!

99 percent of you fags who say that shit probably just go 252 offense/252 speed with four attacking moves. "BUT X POKEMON IS MY BRO, ITS YOU THAT SUCKS!!!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 05:52:38 No.19349116 Report

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>>19349103
In this specific case, you kind of have to go max speed and special attack, because that's all Houndoom has to rely on.

It's still a decent pseudo-sweeper, though. People just call it shit because it's not the best at what it does, so why bother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 05:55:15 No.19349135 Report

Quoted By: >>19349148

the situational ability kinda hurts it more than helps it.

Something like Adaptability would be nice

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 05:56:41 No.19349148 Report

Quoted By: >>19349178

>>19343515
>not using Mega Houndoom to counter Aegislash

What a pleb

>>19349135
Yeah, the ability could be better. I think Aftermath would be nice too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 05:59:32 No.19349167 Report

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>>19349103
No, a lot of people legitimately don't know how to use a pokemon. This has S-rank viability for a reason.
>99 percent of you fags who say that shit probably just go 252 offense/252 speed with four attacking moves
Why on earth would you have any defensive investment on an offensive pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 05:59:57 No.19349174 Report

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He's not awful.

Just kinda bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:01:03 No.19349178 Report

Quoted By: >>19349219

>>19349148
It doesn't counter Aegislash.

Generic Tripfag !X6y.k.AZE6

Generic Tripfag !X6y.k.AZE6 Sun 25 May 2014 06:02:06 No.19349186 Report

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>>19343515
Design-wise, Mega-Houndoom is just another generic Mega design.

Competitive wise, while it is kind of bad, it isn't unusable garbage tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:05:48 No.19349219 Report

Quoted By: >>19349246 >>19349501

>>19349178
It has a STAB fire blast, good speed, and resists shadow sneak.

No physical moves, either, so king's shield is just protect.

There shouldn't be a reason that you don't kill an Aegislash (if both lack buffs and/or set-up,) and if you really can't, doom desire because you are faster than it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:09:35 No.19349243 Report

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>>19343515
>>19343515
hes bad because he needs the sun to be great. and as a mega charizard is the better fire/sun mega. he could have had intimidate or even sheer force and would be 100x better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:09:55 No.19349246 Report

Quoted By: >>19349270

>>19349219
It can most definitely kill an Aegislash but it still doesn't counter it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:13:35 No.19349270 Report

Quoted By: >>19349390

>>19349246
I'd call anything that can get rid of that thing a counter.

I have a deep-seeded hate for it, alright?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:33:15 No.19349390 Report

Quoted By: >>19349441 >>19350103

>>19349270
Technically, a counter needs to be able to switch in on the aegislash and then kill it.

This is a highly situational calc but:
Houndoom switching in on something BESIDES Sacred Sword.
0 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Houndoom: 74-87 (25.3 - 29.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Houndoom: 138-163 (47.2 - 55.8%) -- 79.3% chance to 2HKO

Houndoom hitting back after an obligatory KS from Aegislash.
252 SpA Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 224-266 (69.1 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

The best houndoom can do is predict the KS and will o wisp. Or run into one of the retards who don't run KS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:40:23 No.19349441 Report

Quoted By: >>19349549

>>19349390
Sorry, I'm not fluent with the lingo. I think that makes sense though.

And I have successfully predicted a KS ONCE and once only, and the fucker disconnected right after.

I wion't stop using my Houndoom, but knowingwhat does what and how certainly helps. I know I should look into meta-game more, but I hate that stuff because I know how much I need to git gud and I feel like a shallow prick for trying it.

I'd rather have fun if it means I can't win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:47:46 No.19349501 Report

Quoted By: >>19349574

>>19349219
252 SpA Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 266-314 (82 - 96.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Houndoom: 262-310 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:52:56 No.19349549 Report

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>>19349441
It's fine, I'm just used to educating people about checks vs counters.

Your best bet for houndoom as an aegislash check is to mega evolve early and keep the damage off it. If it can switch in and already have its mega up it has a good chance of a kill against shield stance aegislash before getting hit back with sacred sword.

Of course, there are other big meta threats that Houndoom deals with well. Deoxys-D and Bisharp come to mind, since Bisharp will get wrecked and Deoxys-D can only hope to superpower Houndoom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 06:55:57 No.19349574 Report

Quoted By: >>19350101

>>19349501
>timid houndoom
>brave aegislash

Still, houndoom doesn't stand a chance if it has to switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 09:10:55 No.19350090 Report

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>>19343684
>Pokémon has a weakness
>Pokémon is shit
Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 09:17:03 No.19350101 Report

Quoted By:

>>19349574
>Not running timid houndoom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 09:17:35 No.19350103 Report

Quoted By: >>19350104

>>19349390
>physical aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 May 2014 09:18:23 No.19350104 Report

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>>19350103
Physical aegislash tops usage

Setsuna

Setsuna Sun 25 May 2014 18:11:27 No.19353977 Report

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>>19344285

Saw a similar set on another forum, great for doubles. Love sunny day meowstic.

I never had houndoom as a lead - he always functioned best towards to the mid-late game.

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