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Pokemon NU

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 02:35:29 No.19372662 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19372931 >>19373009 >>19373088 >>19373200 >>19377212 >>19377534 >>19377878 >>19377885

Can we talk about the NU tier for a second?

What the fuck? How big was this power creep? Or is this just one big ruse and these huge ass threats will be thrown back in RU/UU where they belong? I mean look at this shit:

>Typhlosion
>Durant
>Crustle/Barbaracle (smash2win)
>Avalugg
>Archeops
>Lanturn
>Magmortar
>Lilligant
>Mesprit
>Qwilfish
>Uxie
>Sigilyph

>Still fucking in NU-mons
>Sawk
>Chatot (after them buffs)
>Ludicolo
>Cradily

What the hell? I was having fun with Electrode and Tangela, now look at this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 02:56:20 No.19372931 Report

Quoted By: >>19373073

>>19372662
>Typhlosion
Shitmon that's outclassed by Delphox

>Durant
Probably the first thing to get banned

>Crustle/Barbaracle
Use priority

>Avalugg
Use ANY special attack

>The rest
NU is dumb anyway, who cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:01:20 No.19373009 Report

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>>19372662
Remember that the tier was just created. At least half of those will be suspected and/or banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:05:49 No.19373073 Report

Quoted By: >>19377501

>>19372931
>outclassed by Delphox
Scarf Eruption is too much for NU

>Use priority
Reminder this is NU, plus these fucks are bulky

>NU is dumb anyway
>>>/o/u

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:07:05 No.19373088 Report

Quoted By: >>19373115

>>19372662
RU opened with Kyurem. Mega power creep + type chart changes pulled several shitmons out of lower tiers, at the expense of other Pokemon that just can't keep up.
Remember Mandibuzz? Or Pinsir? or Mawile?
Hell, remember Charizard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:10:29 No.19373115 Report

Quoted By: >>19373198

>>19373088
>three of those got megas and overhauls
>Mandibuzz just kind of got found (small buffs here and there) and fit perfectly in the meta
What a story.

Regular Kanga is still in NU though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:18:24 No.19373198 Report

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>>19373115
They could have picked any attacking focused, evolved Pokémon to give a parental bond-esque ability, and the mega would be in ubers.

Kanga got lucky as fuck.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:18:30 No.19373200 Report

Quoted By: >>19373269 >>19377215

>>19372662
>Durant
Use Doublade

>Crustle/Barbaracle
Doublade

>Avalugg
Doublade

>Archeops
Doublade

>Mesprit
Doublade

>Uxie
Doublade

>Sigilyph
Doublade

>Sawk
Doublade

>Cradily
FUCKING DOUBLADE

WHY ARE YOU NOT USING THIS BEAST

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:19:49 No.19373214 Report

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PU tier when

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 03:25:46 No.19373269 Report

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>>19373200
>tfw I tossed an eviolite on mine instead of Aeigi in my first run of X and Y

Best fucking choice ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 04:27:01 No.19374056 Report

Quoted By: >>19374257

>barbaracle
That thing is NU? I use the fucker on one of my OU teams and he's clutch. How is it not at least RU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 04:39:09 No.19374257 Report

Quoted By: >>19377208 >>19377995

>>19374056
Considering it's usage based and people don't use the poor barnacle, I'm not surprised.

I bred one in XY though and he's (they're?) a monster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 12:29:08 No.19377208 Report

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>>19374257
>and people don't use the poor barnacle
The lack of Waterfall hurts it, but the thing still sweeps. It'll be found soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 12:30:18 No.19377212 Report

Quoted By: >>19377221 >>19377272

>>19372662
Sawk was NU last gen. What constitutes it to go to BL2 this time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 12:32:05 No.19377215 Report

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>>19373200
>Durant
>Use Doublade
You're not a very smart one aren't ya?
The best you can do is attempt to 3HKO him with Sacred Sword.
>+1 252 Atk Hustle Durant Crunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Doublade: 162-192 (50.3 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 12:34:10 No.19377221 Report

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>>19377212
Not OP, but to be fair, Sawk should not have been NU last gen either.

125 base attack with those hard-hitting moves? Manibuzz being gone? He's ready to shine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 12:44:46 No.19377272 Report

Quoted By: >>19377580

>>19377212
knock off buff lets it get past misdreavus. basically his only hard counter last gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 12:57:30 No.19377317 Report

Quoted By: >>19377460

>Typhlosion
Scarf Eruption is good, but hazards severely limit its chances to do good.
>Durant
Pretty ridiculous for the tier. Hone Claws Hustle 2 stronk.
>Crustle/Barbaracle (smash2win)
I run physically defensive Vileplume, so Barbaracle isn't really a problem. Haven't actually seen Crustle much at all.
>Avalugg
Special attacks, clandestine cobbles.
>Archeops
Would be pretty useless in UU but probably belongs in RU.
>Lanturn
A worse Rotom-W without any offensive presence. It's like no one has grass coverage.
>Magmortar
Arguably too strong, in the same way as Typhlosion. Movepool too good, etc.
>Lilligant
Can't do shit against other grass types unless it has HP Fire over Rock.
>Mesprit
Haven't seen it much.
>Qwilfish
I've only seen one, and it was a Swords Dance Swift Swimmer.
>Uxie
Probably too good but until Cresselia is out of RU and into UU where it belongs, Uxie fits in NU.
>Sigilyph
Didn't even know it was NU.
>Sawk
Definitely RU (at least) material. It has no business in NU.
>Chatot (after them buffs)
Still a frail shitmon that has to boost both speed and sp. attack to be a real threat.
>Ludicolo
AV Ludicolo is fantastic. I honestly thought it was at least RU but I guess without auto-rain it isn't amazing.
>Cradily
Still one of the best stallers in the game. Their needs to be a more offensive Grass/Rock type, its one of the few viable rock typings.

I think Togetic needs to be bumped up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:27:26 No.19377460 Report

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>>19377317
>Qwilfish
Very good Toxic Spikes user, and can actually deal some damage when all said and done.

>Uxie
It'll be on literally every team. In NU, you had multiple options to set up rocks before, but Uxie is better than all of them by far.

>Sigilyph
There's not as many options to stop the Cosmic Power set here in NU. It needs a push back into RU.

>Mesprit
Rocks, and unlike Uxie, can deal some fucking damage (plus can be mixed, physical, special, phazer, etc.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:36:27 No.19377501 Report

Quoted By:

>>19373073
>>Scarf Eruption is too much for NU
What are sneaky pebbles?

Eruption is a pretty shitty move because it requires you to have intensive hazard control, since Typh can't recover. It also means it can't switch into ANY attacks. At all. Even resisted ones.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:41:41 No.19377534 Report

Quoted By: >>19377685

>>19372662
You forgot that Spooky Waifu is in NU. I've been using a set with Nasty Plot/Destiny Bond/Shadow Ball/Dazzling Gleam, and holy shit it feels so broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:49:13 No.19377580 Report

Quoted By: >>19377595 >>19377601 >>19377616 >>19377622

>>19377272
>it get past misdreavus. basically his only hard counter last gen
252 Atk Sawk Payback(100 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mismagius: 320-378 (122.1 - 144.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:51:25 No.19377595 Report

Quoted By:

>>19377580
>mismagius
>100 BP when you'll never be using it last
nice calc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:52:06 No.19377601 Report

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>>19377580
>mismag is attacking
>not WoWing

Did you calc eviolite on it? There's a fuckton of things wrong with that clac.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:55:18 No.19377616 Report

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>>19377580
>using payback when you want to go first
>risking the burn if you outslow for some reason
Hence knock off, where it can do roughly the same as 100BP payback and still outspeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:57:01 No.19377622 Report

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>>19377580

252 Atk Sawk Payback (50 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 70-84 (21.6 - 25.9%) -- 2.4% chance to 4HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 13:57:24 No.19377624 Report

Quoted By: >>19377657

why is it so hard for people to understand that tiers will always be very different in a new generation? it's not power creep, it's the fact that adding more pokemon = less pokemon to fit in each tier, so pokemon go down a tier

ignore everything you know about last gen's metagames and treat it like something completely new

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:01:39 No.19377647 Report

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>252 Atk Sawk Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 208-246 (64.1 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Or if you're a cheeser.

>252 Atk Choice Band Sawk Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 310-366 (95.6 - 112.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:03:17 No.19377657 Report

Quoted By:

>>19377624
Its just surprising to see a lot of notable changes between a select amount of mons
>Mandibuzz, Pinsir, Clefable now hitting OU
Granted i'll admit Manzibuzz didn't deserve to be NU with how it didn't die so easily
>Reuniclus, Toxicroak and Jellicent have gone down to RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:08:33 No.19377685 Report

Quoted By: >>19377726

>>19377534
I use her as well. I think the Sucker Punch/Shadow Sneak weakness is enough to keep it in check, but Ghost/Fairy is great coverage and not much outspeeds him :^)

Kecleon is also great in NU. Protean and access to numerous forms of priority make it extremely useful. I see a lot of PuP/AV sets but lefties/recover are good too.

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:15:05 No.19377726 Report

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>>19377685
>mfw AV Kecleon taking special hits

252+ SpA Life Orb Magmortar Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Kecleon: 117-138 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:37:05 No.19377878 Report

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>>19372662
People on Smogon are dense but /vp/ randoms are worse.

Typhlosion is still shit like it was back in RU/LU, Crustle and Digimon are both easily dealt and always risk while setting up, Avalugg ?????? really is just the Ice version of Rhydon, Archeops can still abuse the choices set and Acrobatics but mostly with berry as item, still suffers from rocks and priorities, Lanturn is where it should be. Magmortar has speed issues but I agree it hits pretty well still NU material but as top threat, Lilligant (LO!L). Mesprit was NU back in the last gen too and was top 10 only during the last seasons, Qwilfish (right where it should be this gen), Uxie can't be compared to Cresselia hence suffers from lack recovery and Lunar Dance niche, it's just an annoyer or sometimes cleric, CM set is weak as Cresselia's one that at least can use Moonlight. Sigilyph suffers from Scarf HO mons even with CP set, LO set should be the one used the most. Sawk is still NU because it was born to be a good NU mon, Chatot is shit buff or not, Ludicolo can be shut down by AV users and the Freeze Dry users. Cradily was ever a problem? If anything Cradily could have been decent in Sand/Rain back in Gen5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:38:16 No.19377885 Report

Quoted By: >>19378353

>>19372662
Just play NU on PO...
Hit has even better Pokemon there, not a dumb ban list based on muh feels done by cocky leaders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:54:11 No.19377995 Report

Quoted By: >>19381063

>>19374257
Shell Smash is risky as fuck as it is, and Barbaracle has no accurate STABs.
Waterfall and Aqua Jet would go a very long way towards making it better utilized in higher tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:44:48 No.19378353 Report

Quoted By: >>19381022

>>19377885
>PO Tiering
>Ever

Coyotte508 pls go

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:43:34 No.19378767 Report

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>Bitches don't know about my Knock Off Armaldo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 20:30:28 No.19381022 Report

Quoted By:

>>19378353
are you still salty, kokoloko ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 20:33:09 No.19381063 Report

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>>19377995
>have a defogger for hazards
>focus on getting rid of priority users
>send in BarnacleBro
>sweep
Just make sure you have a sash handy and you're good to go. Stone Miss is risky, but it should only require 1-2 uses max.

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