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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:40:25 No.19377897 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19377931 >>19377944 >>19377996 >>19378082 >>19378101 >>19378112 >>19378156 >>19381994 >>19382380

lets discuss the s ranks of each tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:44:35 No.19377931 Report

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>>19377897
Discuss what about them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:46:16 No.19377944 Report

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>>19377897
Everything on the OU list that doesn't have a damage boosting ability needs a Suspect test.
UU looks great and I wish Hydreigon had dropped last gen so it could've been amazing there instead of totally outclassed in Weather: The Experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:54:13 No.19377996 Report

Quoted By: >>19378035

>>19377897
every
single
fucking
OU
team
is
thundurus
+
landorus

I'm not even fucking kidding. Fuck the genies: worst designs and OP as shit for standard trio-legendary mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 14:59:47 No.19378035 Report

Quoted By: >>19378075 >>19378095

>>19377996
Run more Weavile. Or Mamoswine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:08:52 No.19378075 Report

Quoted By: >>19378168

>>19378035
Mamoswine is just a check for when something dies. Then they bring in their physicall wall and rinse and repeat,
I'm not saying they're unbeatable of course, just very hard to play around with because they have such a low risk cost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:10:38 No.19378082 Report

Quoted By: >>19378168

>>19377897
>tfw Hydreigon is my favorite pokemon
It's not OU anymore but at least it finally found a place where it can shine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:12:12 No.19378095 Report

Quoted By: >>19378168

>>19378035
I hope your weavile enjoys paralysis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:13:17 No.19378101 Report

Quoted By: >>19378117 >>19378139 >>19378146

>>19377897
Weren't Houndoom/Hawlucha kings of the UU? What happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:14:58 No.19378112 Report

Quoted By: >>19378123

>>19377897
Never play the meta, why is Gengar so OP? Just curious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:15:25 No.19378117 Report

Quoted By: >>19378123 >>19378212

>>19378101
Hawlucha was B& to OU, I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:16:32 No.19378123 Report

Quoted By: >>19378220

>>19378117
nope, still BL

>>19378112
Mega Gengar is broken as fuck, because it's Mega gets Shadow Trap AND it gets fucking Perish Song AND Destiny Bond, so nearly everytime you run into one, you're going to lose a mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:17:41 No.19378139 Report

Quoted By: >>19378212

>>19378101
hawlucha got banned to bl while mega doge is a+ rank

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:18:20 No.19378146 Report

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>>19378101
Hawlucha's still banned and they couldn't make up their mind if Houndoom was S or A+ for a while but it looks like they've settled for A+ for now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:19:08 No.19378156 Report

Quoted By: >>19378166

>>19377897
Funny how Escavalier and Delphox are the titans of RU.
Was the inclusion of Reuniclus what boosted Escavalier to S Rank?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:20:16 No.19378166 Report

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>>19378156
Assault Vest + Knock Off buff + Overcoat buff is what did it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:20:46 No.19378168 Report

Quoted By: >>19378210

>>19378082
It's better this way. Hydreigon just sorta sat around in BW OU and was pretty much totally irrelevant once Black Kyurem and Sheer Force Landorus came into play.
>>19378075
>>19378095
I'm just trying to think of ways to hasten a shift in the meta. An abundance of decent Ice-types would make it harder for the genies to switch in. Unfortunately,
>Ice-types
>abundantly decent
At least this is pretty cool:
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Thundurus: 218-257 (72.6 - 85.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:21:48 No.19378179 Report

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Hey, OP, just curious... If you were going to cut the text descriptions to the point of being illegible anyway, why not just cut them out entirely?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:25:19 No.19378195 Report

Quoted By: >>19378197 >>19378293

NU's going to have its own viability ranking thread by next week so who are the most likely candidates for NU's S rank?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:25:53 No.19378197 Report

Quoted By: >>19378221 >>19378228

>>19378195
Durant

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:27:40 No.19378210 Report

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>>19378168
I get the feeling Mamoswine would be better for dealing with Thundurus... And the others.

A lot of people say Ice types are terrible, but the ones that are good pick up the slack pretty well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:28:12 No.19378212 Report

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>>19378146
>>19378139
>>19378117

Wha??? I know unburden is good, but sceptile had unburden for two gens now, and it's still considered shit. Hawlucha doesn't even have any priority moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:29:08 No.19378220 Report

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>>19378123
Being BL is basically b& to OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:29:15 No.19378221 Report

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>>19378197
I use that motherfucker in OU (to moderate success), he's gonna tear some asshole in NU, along with Sawk/Venemoth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:29:22 No.19378224 Report

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>>19378212
Because Sceptile is shit, and Hawlucha is not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:29:39 No.19378228 Report

Quoted By: >>19378276 >>19378309

>>19378197
This.
I'd reckon Archeops and Sawk would be pretty high as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:30:47 No.19378234 Report

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>>19378212
Sceptile doesn't have STAB High Jump Kick

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:33:16 No.19378253 Report

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>>19378212
Hawlucha has STAB HJK and Acrobatics. It's ridiculously good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:33:18 No.19378254 Report

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>>19378212
>SD
>Power Herb Sky Attack
>trigger Unburden
>+2/+2 STAB HJK and Acrobatics

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:36:22 No.19378276 Report

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>>19378228
Does Doublade have a shot? I've heard good things about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:38:06 No.19378293 Report

Quoted By: >>19378300 >>19378309 >>19378325 >>19378332 >>19378350

>>19378195
>shit that is extremely likely to be s or a+ in nu

>durant
>archeops
>pyroar
>sawk
>doublade
>virizion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:39:47 No.19378300 Report

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>>19378293
add gatr to that list as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:40:38 No.19378309 Report

Quoted By: >>19378350 >>19378359 >>19378363

>>19378293
>>19378228
I feel like Sawk is actually really strong. What's stopping it from being at least UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:42:18 No.19378325 Report

Quoted By: >>19378340 >>19378348 >>19378351

>>19378293
No Vivillon?
Unless it's RU, I haven't been keeping up with Lower tiers a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:43:11 No.19378332 Report

Quoted By: >>19378357 >>19378361 >>19378526 >>19378555

>>19378293
>pyroar
Really? I thought it would be a shitmon. What's so good about it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:43:51 No.19378339 Report

Quoted By: >>19378362 >>19378367

Sauce of OP's image? Is there a nice looking website to learn about comp pokemon apart from shitty bad looking smogon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:43:53 No.19378340 Report

Quoted By: >>19378366 >>19378374

>>19378325
Vivillon a shit m8. Pretty sure it's outclassed by Lilligant as the set up sweeper even though it has more moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:44:34 No.19378348 Report

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>>19378325
oh shit. I though vivillon was ru, yes he will probably tear some anuses apart

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:44:37 No.19378350 Report

Quoted By: >>19378368

>>19378309
Outclassed, there's no shortage of good fighting types

>>19378293
remove Archeops and Pyroar, and i'll agree with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:44:40 No.19378351 Report

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>>19378325
I haven't kept up either, but I did learn one of my absolute favourite mons for NU, Alomomola, was bumped up to RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:45:20 No.19378357 Report

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>>19378332
Hyper voice and Fireblast just hit like a truck. It's kind of a weird story, sorta like Delphox

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:45:33 No.19378359 Report

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>>19378309
Its speed isn't really exceptional and in RU and UU there are loads of other fighting types that have perks over it in some way or another, like more speed, secondary STAB, better defensive typing, boosting moves or abilites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:45:38 No.19378361 Report

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>>19378332
charizard was s rank in nu last gen
pyroar is charizard but faster and with less weakness to rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:45:43 No.19378362 Report

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>>19378339
That is Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:45:48 No.19378363 Report

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>>19378309
Iirc, it's generally outclassed by other fighting types in the higher tiers like Cobalion to an extent, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Heracross, Mienshao, and Machamp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:46:27 No.19378366 Report

Quoted By: >>19378387

>>19378340
Vivillion has hurricane which automatically makes it better than lilligant, it's only real competition is Venemoth, but even then they shouldn't be played the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:46:35 No.19378367 Report

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>>19378339
Smogon forums.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:46:42 No.19378368 Report

Quoted By: >>19378453

>>19378350
>not thinking Archeops will be at least A+

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:47:51 No.19378374 Report

Quoted By: >>19378387

>>19378340
>outclassed by lilligant
top lel no. Vivillon actually has coverage and a 97.5% accurate sleep powder.
If anything, Lilligant is outclassed by Vivillon.
Also last time I checked Vivillon was A- rank in the UU viability thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:49:21 No.19378387 Report

Quoted By: >>19378411

>>19378366
>>19378374
I stand corrected then.
It's just so frail and base 89 speed isn't very good

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:51:55 No.19378411 Report

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>>19378387
No one ever suspects the butterfly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:54:34 No.19378432 Report

Quoted By: >>19378443

Lilligant is NU, I use it there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:56:14 No.19378443 Report

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>>19378432
Good for you, waifufag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:57:26 No.19378453 Report

Quoted By: >>19378466 >>19378553

>>19378368
Base 89 speed is decent enough when you factor in QD, and the lack of priority in the lower tiers, also it's one of the few viable mons with QD, and Volcarona is used in the upper tiers, and venemoth is mostly used as a BP.

>>19378368
>No flying gem
>Archeops being a threat to anything besides its own team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:57:56 No.19378455 Report

Quoted By: >>19378464 >>19378483 >>19378647

RUfags need to stop overrating delphox, it's good but nowhere near an S rank mon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:59:21 No.19378464 Report

Quoted By: >>19382319

>>19378455
>
Psychic/Fire is a ridiculously good typing in RU/UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 15:59:26 No.19378466 Report

Quoted By: >>19378487

>>19378453
>implying it needs flying gem when all it does is come in and clean up late game
Flying gem would just be a bonus at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:01:15 No.19378483 Report

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>>19378455
>has never played RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:02:05 No.19378487 Report

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>>19378466
Good luck cleaning up with no priority, a SR weakness, and that crippling ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:05:53 No.19378526 Report

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>>19378332
Top NU is still a shitmon

a decent shitmon maybe, but still a shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:09:20 No.19378553 Report

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>>19378453
use head smash sitrus berry anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:09:36 No.19378555 Report

Quoted By: >>19378611 >>19378671

>>19378332
It's a Durant check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:15:53 No.19378611 Report

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>>19378555
outclassed by scarf phlosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:20:58 No.19378647 Report

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>>19378455
>overrating
Delphox is a force of nature in RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 16:25:35 No.19378671 Report

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>>19378555
durant outspeeds and ohkos with stone edge
it's not a durant check

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Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 19:48:50 No.19380604 Report

Quoted By: >>19382332 >>19382337

IM TIRED OF FUCKING MIENFOO

I only really play LC, is knock off as prevalent in the other tiers? Its killer in LC cause eviolite and berry juice is all you see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 22:14:31 No.19381994 Report

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>>19377897
Why is charizard Y not S rank in OU anymore? Mixed variants can punch holes in the other team if they arn't ready for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 22:47:15 No.19382319 Report

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>>19378464
RU yes, UU hell naw. Victini is the exception because it can nuke nearly everything in the tier, but the MVPs are Dark, Water, carry Stone Edge, or don't give a shit about your special attacks.

Delphox is top tier in RU, but its typing isn't enough to give it use in UU. Come back with Thunderbolt, Energy Ball, and a usable ability and we'll talk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 22:48:29 No.19382332 Report

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>>19380604
OU is literally Knock Off: The Meta

I've never seen it in Ubers, so it's less common outside of OU and LC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 22:48:43 No.19382337 Report

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>>19380604
Mienshao carries knock off for coverage in UU, and nearly everything that can get it will use it unless they have 4MSS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 May 2014 22:50:48 No.19382380 Report

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>>19377897
>OU
I won't be happy until every single one of these has been through a suspect test maybe not char X but it's still really fucking good

>UU
I haven't played in months, but Hydrei-kun is hardly deserving of S-rank and the fact that the other two S-rankers are defensive/support threats makes me think these rankings are bunk. Victini/Megastoise/Florges belong up there more than any of these imo.

>RU
Probably the best-looking out of all of these, I doubt smogonrhino and smogonwaifu will stay for much longer but even they aren't as bad as any other tier's S-rank threats

>Ubers
>mfw there are people on /vp/ who STILL think M-Gengar's ban was unjustified

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