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Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:53:09 No.19387107 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19387151 >>19387193 >>19387275

>checking out in game pokemon index's
>gen 3
>25 slots between celebi and treeko
>yfw 25 pokemon removed from gen 3

What could 23 of them have been /vp/? Because we already know two of them where gonna be shellos and gastrodon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:54:35 No.19387133 Report

Quoted By: >>19387170 >>19387275

Tirotuga maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:55:28 No.19387151 Report

Quoted By: >>19387219 >>19387275

>>19387107
Shellos is one, and probably Gastrodon by extension

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:56:26 No.19387170 Report

Quoted By: >>19387188

>>19387133
>tirtouga
>3 fossils

wat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:57:23 No.19387188 Report

Quoted By: >>19387211 >>19387275

>>19387170
>gen 1
>aerodactyl, omastar, kabuto
Why wouldn't do that again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:57:36 No.19387193 Report

Quoted By: >>19387273 >>19387275

>>19387107
They probably had some eeveelutions planned, seeing as this is the first gen without any and the only "Japanese" region not to have any

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:58:43 No.19387211 Report

Quoted By: >>19387281

>>19387188
aerodactyl is single stage and sort of an exception

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:59:23 No.19387219 Report

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>>19387151
are you blind

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 04:59:26 No.19387222 Report

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Tentaking

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:02:38 No.19387273 Report

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>>19387193
So evos of old mons if anything?

>gamefreak
>gets rid of shellos and gastrodon and 23 other oriignal mons and or evolutions
>leaves in shit like wynaut and azurill
>rushes in chimeco because

fucking gamfreak. They could have atleast left some data in so we could theorize about what they could have been. Apparently they where formatted and entirely the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:02:47 No.19387275 Report

Quoted By: >>19387291 >>19387307 >>19387354

>>19387107
>>19387133
>>19387151
>>19387188
>>19387193

A lot were probably placeholders, alpha stage pokemon with appropriate sprites, data like the fossil sprites that were in gen 1 and 2's builds that never made it into gen 3's final product, etc. I doubt they were deleted pokemon because Treecko starts then the rest at 255. All the pokemon are in order from now on except Chimecho, suggesting it was a late addition. So I highly doubt they were deleted or concept pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:03:15 No.19387281 Report

Quoted By: >>19387318

>>19387211
Just because it was Aero one-staged that doesn't mean someone on the creative team didn't thinkt on 3 fossils each one with a respective evo for Gen III, maybe Carracosta wasn't even going to be in the game.
I choosed Tirotuga because the old gen 2 fanart where it appears, maybe Carracosta came time after it because it's design is a lot more 5 gennish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:03:49 No.19387291 Report

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>>19387275
277* not 255. Mistype

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:04:43 No.19387307 Report

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>>19387275
How many pokemon were usable in the very first R/S demo? Maybe it's just them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:05:23 No.19387318 Report

Quoted By: >>19387370

>>19387281
>maybe Carracosta wasn't even going to be in the game.

>oh hey guise you get 3 different fossil pokemon in this game!
>Thats right THREE!!!
>except ones a single stage turtle that cant do shit lol get rekt

that would have been a buzzkill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:07:36 No.19387354 Report

Quoted By: >>19387373

>>19387275
The fossil sprites index numbers apparently where in themselves actually gen 2 pokemon that where supposed to be in gen 1 according to bulba. They where gonna be pupitar and tyranitar

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:08:46 No.19387370 Report

Quoted By: >>19387386

>>19387318
Do you realize we're talking about the same Generation that introduced fucking Chimecho?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:09:02 No.19387373 Report

Quoted By: >>19387393

>>19387354
>actually gen 2 pokemon that where supposed to be in gen 1 according to bulba
That's not how it works. Their index numbers match if one if hack traded from gen 1 to gen 2, that doesn't mean they were INTENDED to be in the game then released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:09:52 No.19387386 Report

Quoted By: >>19387407

>>19387370

Now apply that logic to fossils

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:10:55 No.19387393 Report

Quoted By: >>19387457

>>19387373

There was supposed to be 190 mons in gen 1, you know this right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:12:04 No.19387398 Report

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They probably weren't deleted pokemon. Otherwise they'd be spread out in the database.
Hell, the gap could even have just been something the developers would see when scrolling quickly through their data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:13:08 No.19387407 Report

Quoted By: >>19387453

>>19387386
It worked with Aerodactyl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:17:01 No.19387453 Report

Quoted By: >>19387492 >>19387525

>>19387407
One is a giant bad ass pteradactyl

The other is a tiny little turtle with nothing going for it. If you said carracosta and not tirtouga, we wouldnt be having this discussion

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:17:22 No.19387457 Report

Quoted By: >>19387510

>>19387393
Yes but in the game data the individual missingo dont have names or data corresponding to any pokemon in gen 2 looking at the gen 1 data. It's just that when transferred over, the data turns those individual index missingno into a different, specific pokemon. It's unknown, for example, if the specific index numbers were even intentional. But due to pic related and a fan question to Shigeki Morimoto, we know they aren't, since Ho-Oh wasn't made until gen 2 was being developed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:20:13 No.19387492 Report

Quoted By: >>19387628

>>19387453
Put the same stat boost as Aero on the turtle, throw it into the game and call it a day.
That's pretty much how GF designs Pokemon, not every Pokemon needs to look "badass" you know?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:21:31 No.19387510 Report

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>>19387457
for example with tyranitar*

We know some pokemon were planned including tyranitar, but the way the indexes were done in gen I were haphazard. By the time gen III was released everything was in order, the only thing out of order being Chimecho. If something was removed from the game, it was removed a long time ago in the alpha/early beta. We don't even know if Shellos was programmed in the Gen III builds because the rocky sprite was only in Gen IV's build, and only interviews said that Shellos was concepted for Gen III

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:22:29 No.19387525 Report

Quoted By: >>19387667 >>19387706

>>19387453
Tirtouga V1 looked a littler tougher, though. It could easily pass as a decent single stage in my opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:29:51 No.19387628 Report

Quoted By: >>19387654

>>19387492

I disagree, I cant see them making any pokemon in a trio like weaker than the others just because. Until theres a precedent set for it, ill have to disagree

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:32:35 No.19387654 Report

Quoted By: >>19387688

>>19387628
And who says it would be weaker? Didn't you read the part of "same stat overall boost as aerodactyl on it"?
Looks doesn't have anything to do with the overall strenght of a Pokemon, stats does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:33:41 No.19387667 Report

Quoted By: >>19387690

>>19387525
Ive always thought that to be the original torkoal but okay.

If it looks like that I could accept it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:36:20 No.19387688 Report

Quoted By: >>19387706

>>19387654
This has only really ever applied to legends like mew.

Look at every other weak looking but statistically strong pokemon. Theyre usually not paired with other mons such as version exclusives and if theya re, theyre usually paired with an equally weak looking pokemon, such as say whimsicott or lilligant.

That and I simply dont see a reason to waste a spot for a fossil mon on a single stage unremarkable mon. Realistically why would a little non legendary turtle have high stats?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:36:33 No.19387690 Report

Quoted By: >>19387703

>>19387667
It probably inspired both, but the face is so much like Tirtouga's it's uncanny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:38:07 No.19387703 Report

Quoted By: >>19387758 >>19387791 >>19387860 >>19388017

>>19387690

I get the feeling gen 2 was gonna have fossils at one point then they said fuck that.

Im still kinda ass mad that gen 2 breaks some traditions so early, like no cat pokemon, no fossil and only two box legends

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:38:21 No.19387706 Report

Quoted By:

>>19387688
See
>>19387525

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:39:00 No.19387710 Report

Quoted By: >>19387749

Those 25 empty slots were alternate unknown forms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:41:57 No.19387749 Report

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>>19387710
Imagine the clusterfuck if unown katakana and hiragana forms

or worse kanji forms

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:42:38 No.19387758 Report

Quoted By: >>19387785

>>19387703
I'd guess Gen 2's dex was so weird because it was meant to further flesh out and "complete" Gen 1's dex, not be a standalone pokedex. Almost like an expansion. That's sort of reflected by Johto's reliance on Kanto Pokemon, the two regions' proximity to each other, and the fact that for a good while Gen 2 was intended to be the end of the series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:44:44 No.19387785 Report

Quoted By: >>19387814 >>19387886

>>19387758
>fact that for a good while Gen 2 was intended to be the end of the series
There is zero proof for this at all. How is it even a fact?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:45:40 No.19387791 Report

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>>19387703
>breaks traditions
>only two box legends
Before gen 2 there were no box legends. Besides that, you can't really call something a tradition if it's only been done once before

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:47:31 No.19387814 Report

Quoted By: >>19387834

>>19387785
That might not be true, but it is a fact that G/S were at one time intended to be direct sequels to R/G/B/Y, and were called Pokemon 2 during early production

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:49:01 No.19387834 Report

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>>19387814
Yes but saying that it's the end of the series is a blatant fabrication. He/you went from something completely made up to something everyone knows to be true (Pokemon 2)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:52:33 No.19387860 Report

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>>19387703
>traditions
>after only 1 gen
It simply can't break traditions. If anything, it doesn't create traditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:54:24 No.19387886 Report

Quoted By: >>19387911

>>19387785
http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Pokemon-HeartGold-Version-SoulSilver-Version/Iwata-Asks-Pokemon-HeartGold-Version-SoulSilver-Version/1-Just-Making-The-Last-Train/1-Just-Making-The-Last-Train-225842.html

>Ishihara: After we released Red and Green, we began working on these titles, thinking that the ultimate in Pokémon games could only ever be Gold and Silver.
>Iwata: Not in your wildest dreams did you think that you’d be making more and more games after Gold and Silver. (laughs)
>Ishihara: The reason that I licensed so many products and developed things like the trading cards was basically to ensure that Gold and Silver were successful. I felt that this was my primary role. So at that time, I worked with the assumption that after we put out Gold and Silver, my work as far as Pokémon was concerned would be done.
>Iwata: I see.
>Ishihara: So for me, Gold and Silver represented the finish line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 05:56:21 No.19387911 Report

Quoted By: >>19387970 >>19388061

>>19387886
That's just Ishihara's goal. There was no way Nintendo was going to stop their cash cow even if Ishihara jumped ship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 06:03:29 No.19387970 Report

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>>19387911
He goes on to use "we" in regards to completing Pokemon with Gold and Silver's release. And what you say is true, and Ishihara acknowledges this as to why he decided not to quit with Gold and Silver's success, but they didn't know it was going to be such a long lasting cash cow during production. Remember: a lot of people back then thought Pokemon would be a typical fad and then die out, and no doubt higher ups were afraid of the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 06:09:30 No.19388017 Report

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>>19387703
Gen II is more an expansion pack than a new game. They're meant to be additions and fixes to Gen I rather than their own games meant to stand on their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 May 2014 06:14:06 No.19388061 Report

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>>19387911
Doesnt change the fact that gf wanted to end it at one point

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