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Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:04:57 No.19444339 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19444699 >>19444854 >>19445270 >>19445308 >>19445527 >>19445918 >>19446031 >>19446358 >>19446875

TIER UPDATES ARE NOW OUT

>ou shit that is now uu
Alakazam, Blissey, Goodra, Infernape, Lucario, Manaphy, Volcarona

>uu shit that is now ou
gardevoir, manectric, medicham, quagsire, scolipede, smeargle, vaporeon

>uu shit that is now ru
jolteon

>ru shit that is now uu
sablye

>ru shit that is now nu
nothing lol

>nu shit that is now ru
doublade, durant, shuckle, virizion

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-usage-based-tier-update-june-2014.3508291/

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:07:33 No.19444384 Report

Quoted By: >>19445060

My husbando can finally find a time to shine!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:10:01 No.19444425 Report

Quoted By: >>19444647 >>19444946

>volcarona in uu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:16:01 No.19444548 Report

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Cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:22:30 No.19444647 Report

Quoted By: >>19444655 >>19444665 >>19444695 >>19444700

>>19444425

It really is a sad day for bugs. Do they have a singly mon besides Scizor in OU? I can't even remember what Mega-Heracross is doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:23:00 No.19444655 Report

Quoted By: >>19444775

>>19444647
Pinsir

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:23:31 No.19444665 Report

Quoted By: >>19444775

>>19444647
Pinsir
Scolipede only cause BP but it was BL before cause it's actually kind stronk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:25:56 No.19444695 Report

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>>19444647
>I can't even remember what Mega-Heracross is doing.
Chilling in BL right now. I've seen people in the higher ladder use it to dismantle Baton Pass teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:26:03 No.19444699 Report

Quoted By: >>19444760

>>19444339
It's been a long time since Gardevoir was in OU (gen 3 to be exact). So let's welcome her/him back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:26:12 No.19444700 Report

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>>19444647
scizor, pinsir and scolipede are ou
mega heracross and venomoth are bl

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:31:09 No.19444760 Report

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>>19444699
Gardevoir was BL in gen 3, although being BL in gen 3 basically meant you were OU anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:31:56 No.19444775 Report

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>>19444655
>>19444665
>>19444695
>>19444700

Somehow I forgot about Pinsir. Must've just missed all the Scoliopede being used, I guess I'm lucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:32:59 No.19444790 Report

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>>19444760
Exactly. And if I remember the tiers correctly, I remember seeing that she (and her mega) can even hold her own in the vicious uber territory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:38:22 No.19444846 Report

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>Only 2 Rocks
>Only 2 Ices
>Only 2 Normals
>Only 2 Ghosts

Gentlemen, how do we fix these types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:39:09 No.19444854 Report

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>>19444339
>>nu shit that is now ru
>doublade, durant, shuckle, virizion

God damn it, all four of them were awesome in NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:39:27 No.19444860 Report

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>>19444695
How does that work, just the huge 180 Attack and Skill Link moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:45:31 No.19444946 Report

Quoted By: >>19445428

>>19444425
Volc will get kicked out before long. It threatens

>muh stall

so no way the council will let it stay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:47:59 No.19444993 Report

Quoted By: >>19445014 >>19445024 >>19445365 >>19445974

But I dont get it. Volcarona can sweep whole teams that dont have Talonflame, Heatran, or Charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:48:24 No.19445000 Report

Quoted By: >>19445032

>>19444860
Bingo. Baton Pass teams can't set up Subs on it, it breaks Smeargle's Focus Sash and nothing wants to switch into it.

It's also pretty good at dismantling Bisharp since one of the few pokemon than can OHKO Deo-D even if it's running max defense and Red Card doesn't effect it since it doesn't activate against Skill Link moves until after the 5th hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:48:54 No.19445014 Report

Quoted By: >>19445062 >>19445365

>>19444993
Or Unaware Clefable
Or Chansey

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:49:07 No.19445016 Report

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>Volcarona in UU

Better use it quickly and get to sub-1700 before it gets b& to BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:49:45 No.19445024 Report

Quoted By: >>19445074 >>19445365

>>19444993
Azumarill, Clefable, Thundurus, and Chansey would like to have a word with you about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:50:08 No.19445032 Report

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>>19445000
>Bisharp*
I obviously meant Deosharp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:51:49 No.19445060 Report

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>>19444384
>yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:51:53 No.19445062 Report

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>>19445014
unless you name is keldeo, kyogre or any psyshock user chansey walls every single special attacker in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:52:22 No.19445074 Report

Quoted By: >>19445108

>>19445024
>Thundurus

What can thundurus do to it other than t-wave it? (which isnt all that reliable since volc usually carries lum berry and can OHKO back if its at +1)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:53:05 No.19445084 Report

Quoted By: >>19446389

>Togekiss still barely scraping the bottom of OU

It's okay toge, i'll keep using you in OU no matter what ;__;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:54:15 No.19445108 Report

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>>19445074
Taunt if it hasn't set up, I guess. But mostly Paralysis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:54:32 No.19445113 Report

Quoted By: >>19445184

>Babaracle still in NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:58:29 No.19445170 Report

Quoted By: >>19445232

>Smeargle in fucking OU
WHY?

>Manectric finally in OU
Its about time that fucker came to the big leagues.

>Quagsire in OU
LOL

>Vaporeon in OU
Welcome back!

>Infernape in UU
forwhatpurpose.jpg

>Blissey in UU
And down goes Florges...

>Medicham in OU
Errr...ok?

>Scolipede in OU
Oh no...

>Volcarona in UU
Can't wait to tear the tier a new anus with this motherfucker.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 22:59:09 No.19445184 Report

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>>19445113
Hopefully it'll get at least one of Aqua Jet, Waterfall, or Crabhammer soon, and an accurate Rock-type contact move never.
;_;
>tfw you realize Rock has the second fewest moves of any type
>tfw you remember there are three types that were introduced after Rock was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:02:27 No.19445232 Report

Quoted By: >>19445321

>>19445170
>Smeargle
Because of BP teams. Pay attention.
>Quagsire
Unaware wall that tons of teams use because it can take care of Bisharp and DDance Mega T-Tar
>Vaporeon
Also only because of BP teams. It's kinda bad otherwise.
>Infernape
It's shit in OU
>Blissey
Florges has way more offensive presence, and its typing means it can take on certain physical attackers. Blissey will be used on full stall a bit but every other team will still use Florges. It's #1 in usage for a reason, and was #1 when Chansey was in the tier.
>Medicham
Mega is actually kind of strong
>Scolipede
Also BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:05:00 No.19445270 Report

Quoted By: >>19445322 >>19445398 >>19445497

>>19444339

>Manectric
>Gardevoir

why

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:07:06 No.19445308 Report

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>>19444339

Good riddance, Volcarona. Although you're ridiculously predictable and often times do absolutely nothing besides boost and be killed, you always had that 20% chance for Stone Edge to miss and carry on sweeping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:07:48 No.19445321 Report

Quoted By: >>19445497 >>19446389

>>19445232
>Scolipede only there for BP
Jeez. It's also there because with Speed Boost and the added +10 attack, he is a better sweeper than he is last gen!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:07:50 No.19445322 Report

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>>19445270
They're pretty good. Why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:10:38 No.19445365 Report

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>>19444993
>>19445014
>>19445024

>Forgetting based AV Tyranitar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:11:47 No.19445389 Report

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>>19445062
Or mega Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:12:11 No.19445398 Report

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>>19445270
>Manectric
Intimidate + Volt Switch

>Gardevoir
Hyper Voice nuke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:14:17 No.19445428 Report

Quoted By: >>19445487 >>19445504

>>19444946
I'm pretty sure the council doesn't have any real say anymore and it's just kokoloko making all of the decisions. He kept Klefki banned after they voted for it to be unbanned via supermajority since 'it could be broken in the future'

Basically he's a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:14:26 No.19445432 Report

Quoted By: >>19445463 >>19445502 >>19446164

>Medicham is out of RU

Goodbye old soldier, good luck spamming high jump killmyself in Aegislash's playground ;__;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:16:44 No.19445463 Report

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>>19445432
Sucker Punch Medicham when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:17:41 No.19445483 Report

Quoted By: >>19445520 >>19445524

Quagsire is OU? I thought i was the only one!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:18:03 No.19445487 Report

Quoted By: >>19445563

>>19445428
that wasn't koko who said that. that was limitless. fuck him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:18:58 No.19445497 Report

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>>19445270
Mega Man checks a bunch of shit and is good against offensive teams.

Mega Waifu is borderline impossible to wall and is good against balanced and stall teams, while having the special bulk to tank a hit from nearly any special attacker and KO in return (so it's not useless against offensive teams.) It has like two counters in Aegislash and Scizor, and it can troll both of them with Will-O-Wisp anyway. Fae Scream of Death also penetrates subs, and it can Trace Speed Boost and set-up Calm Minds so it can pretty much solo BP teams (Taunt+3 attacks or Wisp+3 attacks are better than CM sets, though.)

>>19445321
Some of its usage is from quickpass and also offensive sets, but most of it is because of BP teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:20:02 No.19445502 Report

Quoted By: >>19445516

>>19445432
Baton Pass+Bisharp. BP as Aeigslash switches in, Pursuit trap or set-up with Bisharp :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:20:04 No.19445504 Report

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>>19445428
I thought that was limitless who had that dumb reasoning for klefki

kokoloko's a cunt too, he threw venomoth out of the tier because he personally didn't like it. i'm glad he did because I hated that stupid moth in RU/NU, but it was still hardcore admin abuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:21:07 No.19445516 Report

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>>19445502
I have run Medisharp before (to some success) but I never considered BP for that 4th slot, thanks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:21:20 No.19445520 Report

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>>19445483
>I thought i was the only one!
The fucker's on almost every stall team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:21:59 No.19445524 Report

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>>19445483
Quagsire is really good now that setup sweepers are all the rage. Fucker's essential on any Stall team.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:22:05 No.19445527 Report

Quoted By: >>19445557

>>19444339
>Blissey, Lucario, Volcarona

What the fuck are you doing Smogon

What the fuck are you doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:22:12 No.19445529 Report

Quoted By: >>19445551

Stalling quagsire.... might just work

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:23:39 No.19445546 Report

Quoted By:

ive been using quagsire wrong

also ew setup teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:24:05 No.19445547 Report

Quoted By: >>19445610

I didn't even know Goodra was OU in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:24:25 No.19445551 Report

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>>19445529
What were you using it for besides stalling? It certainly isn't good for anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:24:50 No.19445557 Report

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>>19445527
Blissey is outclassed by Chansey
People forgot that base Lucario is sort of decent after Lucarionite got banned, so its usage absolutely plummeted (it was a smidgen above fucking Galvantula in April.)
Volcarona has way too many problems to stay in OU.

Tiers are based on usage, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:25:09 No.19445563 Report

Quoted By: >>19445582 >>19445660

>>19445487
Here's the logic that got klefki banned (if limitless didn't have a say klefki would still be UU btw)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:25:57 No.19445579 Report

Quoted By: >>19445598

SO, what about Imposter Ditto?

Useable to kill a BP sweeper and steal the sweep?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:26:11 No.19445582 Report

Quoted By: >>19445607 >>19445660

>>19445563
thank you jewt for fucking up your captcha to the point of being unusable and eating up my image

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:27:13 No.19445598 Report

Quoted By: >>19445611

>>19445579
Imposter doesn't proc when the target is behind a sub

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:27:29 No.19445603 Report

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im an ingamefag so i use my quagsire

im not very serious about battling
im more like a catcher

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:27:50 No.19445607 Report

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>>19445582
>klefki's calm mind set has like a 0.0001% of being broken so I am saying it should be bl lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:28:01 No.19445610 Report

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>>19445547
It was used more at the start of the gen but that was mostly just new toy syndrome. Unless you're delusional and actually think AV Goodra is good, most people have realized that Latias is better in almost every way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:28:07 No.19445611 Report

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>>19445598

Damn, put's a damper on that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:32:18 No.19445659 Report

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So, need yo help

Me and some friends are doing a gym leader thing, We each get an element, and we do ateam with those. I got poison.

Current plan is Crobat, Scolipede, Gengar, Venomoth, Nidoking and Tentacruel

Kinda thinking on going BP, COuld it work? (Scoli>Venomoth Quiver> Gengar most likely)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:32:21 No.19445660 Report

Quoted By:

>>19445563
>>19445582
Well, I thought koko did it. My bad then.

koko is still doing an exceptionally bad job

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:38:57 No.19445749 Report

Quoted By: >>19445803

Since Koko's a fag, what do you think is getting banned first?

My money's on Alakazam.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:40:02 No.19445763 Report

Quoted By: >>19445810

>Offensive CM Megazam hits 740 special attack after just one boost
>399 speed with a neutral nature
>+1 252+ SpA Mega Alakazam Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Florges: 369-435 (102.5 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I can't be the only one hype for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:42:38 No.19445803 Report

Quoted By:

>>19445749
Volcarona. Maybe Alakazamite. I actually doubt base Alakazam is too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:43:05 No.19445810 Report

Quoted By: >>19445875

>>19445763
And dies to Totodile's Bite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:46:31 No.19445875 Report

Quoted By: >>19445907 >>19445979

>>19445810
252+ Atk Choice Band Totodile Bite vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Alakazam: 196-232 (77.7 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:47:54 No.19445907 Report

Quoted By:

>>19445875
Croconaw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:48:23 No.19445918 Report

Quoted By: >>19445960 >>19446007

>>19444339
I'm surprised some of the previous UU mons are now becoming OU.

>Virizion was NU
really?

>jolteon in ru
I don't know man...

>blissey in uu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:50:47 No.19445960 Report

Quoted By:

>>19445918
Those Pokemons' flaws are just much more apparent this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:51:38 No.19445974 Report

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>>19444993
Don't forget Azumarill. And most teams have at least one of these things, which makes Volcarona's life hard.

I used Volcarona for a while in Gen 6 OU, and it's still good, but goddamn is it a pain trying to run around and pick off its counters. You pretty much have to run Wobbuffet or pursuit Tyranitar for it to not be completely useless in most matches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:51:47 No.19445979 Report

Quoted By:

>>19445875
Sheer Force is the way to go then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:54:07 No.19446007 Report

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>>19445918
Heliolisk shits on Jolteon. Surf, Grass Knot and Focus Blast put Helio miles ahead, while the only important thing Jolteon outspeeds is Dugtrio and maybe Durant

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:56:15 No.19446031 Report

Quoted By: >>19446051 >>19446060 >>19446121

>>19444339
>UU Blissey
>UU Lucario
>UU Volcarona
Jesus christ how horrifying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:57:36 No.19446051 Report

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>>19446031
>Implying
Did you get stuck in 5th gen? They aren't as good anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jun 2014 23:59:04 No.19446060 Report

Quoted By: >>19446102

>>19446031
Blissey not going to be that bad. UU had Chansey for a while before they switched to 1760 stats and they did fine.

Sandora {IGN: Alex [0147-0019-9636]}

Sandora {IGN: Alex [0147-0019-9636]} Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:02:10 No.19446102 Report

Quoted By:

>>19446060
actually, i'm pretty sure everyone hated chansey and bitched about her constantly.
that said, your point is noted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:03:33 No.19446121 Report

Quoted By:

>>19446031
>implying this isn't great

UU seems a lot more fun than OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:03:52 No.19446126 Report

Quoted By: >>19446193

Was Sableye always RU/UU? It'd worked well for me on my OU team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:07:27 No.19446164 Report

Quoted By: >>19446215

>>19445432
I tried running the following set in OU:

Medicham @ Medichamite
- drain punch
- zen headbutt
- foresight
- substitute

It was moderately effective, since you can just spam high-powered attacks much of the time, and when you run into Aegislash/Sableye, you have an answer. The setup was unwieldy and unreliable, though, but it worked a couple of times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:09:59 No.19446193 Report

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>>19446126
>Was Sableye always RU/UU?
Yeah, though RU banned it pretty quickly.

You don't really see a lot of Sableyes in OU once you get past the 1300s I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:11:46 No.19446215 Report

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>>19446164
hard to give away a moveslot purely for dealing with 2 threats

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:13:31 No.19446258 Report

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Durant and Virizion are gone?
Huzzah!
Magmortar had better be next, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:15:26 No.19446291 Report

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>Gardevoir, Medicham, and Manectric are OU now

Nigga we made it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:20:36 No.19446358 Report

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>>19444339
I knew it was gonna happen sooner than later, but I'm still kinda disappoint about my bro Infernape. 104/104/108 offenses really ain't shit these days

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:22:38 No.19446389 Report

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>>19445084
>Not wanting your bro to be able to dominate both OU and UU
>Not wanting more teams unprepared against your bro

I don't get why people get into the mentality that keep borderline bros in the upper tier does any good.

>>19445321
Seconding other anon. Nobody is using Scolipede to switch. Speed Boost means its the most efficent setup booster for Baton Passing since Ninjask existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:38:58 No.19446662 Report

Quoted By: >>19446724

What Fire types besides Heatran are OU right now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:41:50 No.19446724 Report

Quoted By:

>>19446662
Charizard
Talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jun 2014 00:50:52 No.19446875 Report

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>>19444339
>Gardevoir, Manectric and Medicham are now OU

Hoenn confirmed

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