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Taylor 0559-7572-9301 Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:19:04 No.19608727 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19608771 >>19624907

There's a hundred different ways to run Aegislash.
King's Shield is some of the most fun in the metagame.
But Sword Dancing works wonders too.
What's your build for the edgiest Pokémon yet?

Cho - 4828 5994 0399 (Ivysaur, Tangela, quilladin) !44LqnRa4kQ

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Cho - 4828 5994 0399 (Ivysaur, Tangela, quilladin) !44LqnRa4kQ Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:20:46 No.19608763 Report

Quoted By: >>19609083 >>19609096

>fun
>metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:21:39 No.19608771 Report

Quoted By: >>19608939 >>19609096 >>19616294

>>19608727
Is doublade eviolite viable? Id rather roll my shiny as doublade if i can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:36:36 No.19608939 Report

Quoted By: >>19608953 >>19609096

>>19608771
Yeah, throw an Eviolite on Doublade and you're gold. It has an insane defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:38:00 No.19608953 Report

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>>19608939
Anything special kills it though ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:38:00 No.19608954 Report

Quoted By: >>19609083 >>19609096

>fun
>OU
>ever
Pick one and only one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:38:49 No.19608960 Report

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SubToxic is objectively the best set.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:39:57 No.19608973 Report

Quoted By:

>anything but subtoxic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:48:31 No.19609083 Report

Quoted By: >>19609139 >>19616157 >>19634410

>a hundred different ways
There are exactly four. In order of quality:

Toxic Stall (248 HP, 252 SpDef, 8Def), Modest
>le subprotect faec
>Shadow Ball for damage

Mixed (252 SpA, 252 Atk, 12 Speed), Quiet
>m-muh cookie cutter
>KS and Sneak for priority
>Ball for STAB, Sacred Sword for coverage

Special (252 SpA, 252 HP, 12 Speed), Quiet/Modest
>KS for defense
>Ball and Cannon for STAB
>HP Ice/Fighting for coverage

Autotomize (252 SpA, 168 Spd, 88 Atk), Rash
>sanic boostin
>Ball and Cannon for STAB
>Sacred Sword for coverage

Any other sets or gimmicks (purely physical, dual-boosting, etc) are garbage.

>>19608763
>>19608954
i don't like competitive cuz i cant use muh bro :^(

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:49:45 No.19609096 Report

Quoted By: >>19609132 >>19609139 >>19609170

>>19608763
>>19608954
being this butthurt about being bad at the game.

>>19608939
>>19608771
doublade sucks hard in OU. You shouldn't use it if you want to win against any competent player.

I run this:
Sub
Kings Shield
Shadow Ball
Iron Head

Sub helps so much against many things like Leech Seed users and lets you win prediction games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:51:44 No.19609129 Report

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Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Quiet Nature
- Flash Cannon
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:51:51 No.19609132 Report

Quoted By: >>19609160 >>19609342

>>19609096
>doublade sucks hard in OU

No shit sherlock. They're talking about UU, where Eviolite Doublade is viable granted you've already knocked out your opponent's Knock Off user(s).

>that set
jesus christ how horrifying

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:52:43 No.19609139 Report

Quoted By: >>19609191

>>19609083
You have literally no idea about what you're talking.
There is this >>19609096
There is swords dance (yes, swords danmce IS good, if you think otherwise you don't know how to use it)
And you can use almost any combination of KS, Shadow Sneak, Shadow Ball, Sacred Sword, Iron Head and Substiture depending on what you want to check/counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:54:10 No.19609160 Report

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>>19609132
oh and flash canon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:54:39 No.19609170 Report

Quoted By: >>19609191 >>19609214

>>19609096
>he only hates the meta because he's a scrub, it can never be shit!!!
>mfw retards actually believe this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:55:58 No.19609191 Report

Quoted By: >>19609215 >>19609232 >>19609274

>>19609139
>(yes, swords danmce IS good, if you think otherwise you don't know how to use it)

Yeah, purposefully setting yourself up to get Will-o-Wisp'd is a 10/10 strategy, I don't know why you're not running Smogon.

>you can throw any moves together on a mon and make it work
Except EV's and Natures exist.

>>19609170
Considering no arguments were given against why competitive Pokemon is fun, I'd say that's a fair assumption to make.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:57:39 No.19609214 Report

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>>19609170
If someone would just not like it not be butthurt, then why does he coem to thread that does not even discuss this topic at all and post how shit the metagame is even though it does not contribute to the topic at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:57:48 No.19609215 Report

Quoted By: >>19609233 >>19609352

>>19609191
how about "same repertory of sandshit, HO shit and BP shit on the mid-to-high ladder every goddamn day"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:59:20 No.19609232 Report

Quoted By: >>19609259

>>19609191
>Staying in with swords dance Aegisglash against WoW users
I assumed that you don't use it like a total retard. Sorry should have made myself clear at that point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 20:59:20 No.19609233 Report

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>>19609215
>metagames get clogged with popular, effective strategies

Why ever play competitive anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:00:51 No.19609259 Report

Quoted By: >>19609316

>>19609232
So if you're going to waste one or two turns boosting a stat, only to have to switch out as soon as your opponent realizes you're running purely physical, what was the point? Especially considering no other good Aegislash set has this problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:01:43 No.19609274 Report

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>>19609191
>Except EV's and Natures exist.
No shit sherlock? Obviousöly you have to adjust these to your set and intended role on the team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:05:36 No.19609316 Report

Quoted By: >>19609410

>>19609259
If you get 2 SD you can wreck shit almost everytime even if your opponent has a WoW user. Most people won't suspect SD aegislash these days which makes this easier. Even one is very dangerous.
>You have Aegislash
>Oppojent switches to chansey, Mega-Venu or any wall
>You use SD
Your opponent will have a problem now. Also, of course you try to get rid of WoW users BEFORE you set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:07:47 No.19609342 Report

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>>19609132
>that set
>jesus christ how horrifying
It is. On the right time it will prove so usefull if you give it a try.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:08:34 No.19609352 Report

Quoted By: >>19609384 >>19609408 >>19609410

>>19609215
That's what NU/UU are for. Having a good time. At least in 4th gen, IDK about now. Stay away from OU and let those autists have their shittyslash and smogonburd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:11:27 No.19609384 Report

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>>19609352
nigger you kidding me, once garchomp was gone 4th gen ou was the gold standard that all these tryhard ou metas can't even hold a candle to

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:13:19 No.19609408 Report

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>>19609352
>Implying smogonbird is even that prevelant anymore
>implying aegislash is not one of the pokes that need the most skill to be truly successful
NO, it's not "click shadowball-> win XD". You will always need a lot of good prediction of when to use KS, an attack, Sub, Shadow Sneak, or whatever. If you don't like OU stay away from it. But why do you faggots need to keep posting how shitty this tier is in threads where your opinion is completely irrlevant? Just shows that you're secretely mad about sucking at the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:13:21 No.19609410 Report

Quoted By: >>19609450

>>19609316
>assuming perfectly ideal conditions, yes this set is amazing

Wow, that's some insight right there. Never mind the fact that, again, the other sets don't necessitate ideal conditions; they just work.

>>19609352
>let those autists have their shittyslash and smogonburd.

simbly ebin

*tips trilby*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:16:54 No.19609450 Report

Quoted By: >>19609525

>>19609410
H>ow, that's some insight right there. Never mind the fact that, again, the other sets don't necessitate ideal conditions; they just work.
Holy shit are you seriously that retarded? First "your opponent switches into a wall" hardly qualifies as an "ideal condition", second your way of thought clearly shows that you're a mediocre player. You can't just use what workd somewhat well under all conditions if you want to bee good. You have to use something that works VERY good under specific conditions and than build your whole team around creating these conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:23:02 No.19609525 Report

Quoted By: >>19609587

>>19609450
I was referring to the WoW user being gone already, but your head is already far enough up your own ass to understand that.

Physical Aegislash requires upkeep
>boosting your stats and trying to survive at the same time
>killing your opponent's prospective WoW users before sending Aegislash out to clean up
>boosting enough to overpower defensive walls

The other sets do not
>WoW means nothing against a Special Attacker holding Leftovers, or behind a Substitute
>Stat boosts are unnecessary when you can break walls with either Shadow Ball or Sacred Sword

You're making the decision to run an inferior set that requires more work to run when every other is superior and requires little to no work. What is the point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 21:28:37 No.19609587 Report

Quoted By: >>19609954

>>19609525
The point is that SD aegislash has a different role than most other sets. Typical SB + SS + KS + 1 Attack sets are the to keep constant pressure on your opponent, but they can hardly sweep anything. SD Aegislash can do that. Tell me any non-SD aegislash that beats chansey without luck? IÄm not saying that it is superior to other Aegi-sets. It just has a differnet role and is thus superior in SOME teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jun 2014 22:00:48 No.19609954 Report

Quoted By: >>19611893

>>19609587
Putting in a lot of work to make Aegislash a sweeper instead of a cleaner and wall breaker (a job it's much better at) is one step forward and two steps back.

Also, Quiet 252 Atk Aegislash's SS 3HKO's Chansey and is immune to its main attacks (Toxic and Toss). At +4 and Adamant/Brave you could OHKO it sure, but why bother; your opponent isn't going to rely on Chansey to wall Aegislash anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 00:31:50 No.19611893 Report

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>>19609954
Chansey can pass wishes around usw twave etc. It's really a good aegislash counter.
You guys always think of this as a "the one or the other optin", but that's not it. I don't think that a good player would ever at any point of his team building process get to the question "should I use SD or wallbreaker aegislash?" If you need a wallbreaker then you consider "normal" aegislash, if you need a sweeper then you might consider SD aegislash. In other words, these two sets will never compete for a team slot which is why saying "...is one step forward and two steps back" is obsolete.
With its combination of excellent bulk AND offense, that is unmatches by any other OU mon it can work pretty well as a set-up sweeper.

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Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 02:47:36 No.19613487 Report

Quoted By: >>19613967

So what I'm hearing is there's two viable options for Aegislash.
Sword Dance 252 Attk 252 Speed
Focus on setup. But your opponent knows the game.
252 Atk 252 s.Atk mixed wall breaker (whatever that means?)
Using Kings shield to predict threats? Wish support sounds plausible.

And some folk talk of substitute being useful. I don't follow.

But I'm new to competitive and might not benefit from Aegislash yet.

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Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 03:35:13 No.19613967 Report

Quoted By: >>19616036

>>19613487
>252 Speed
you have no idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 08:16:09 No.19616036 Report

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>>19613967
Exactly though.

Musty 2981-5394-6954 !Ho4BAxol6o

Musty 2981-5394-6954 !Ho4BAxol6o Sat 14 Jun 2014 08:47:13 No.19616157 Report

Quoted By: >>19616278

>>19609083
Swords dance with shadow sneak, sacred sword and kings shield is one of his best sets. Weakness policy + swords dance in the same turn gets you to + 4 which puts you in a very strong position. At +6 (which happens often) aegislash often sweeps entire teams. Yes you kidna get wrecked by skamory and other physically defensive phasers but that's what the other 5 slots of your team is for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 09:13:27 No.19616278 Report

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>>19616157
>Swords dance with shadow sneak, sacred sword and kings shield is one of his best sets

Maybe if you're playing scrubs on Unrated Wifi random who just bought the game yesterday. In 6v6 OU a competent opponent would pick up on the shenanigans in one turn, and switch to either their waller, phaser, or burner, quickly forcing a switch and making a giant joke of your wasted Swords Dances and your now-gone item. Whereas a mixed set holding Leftovers is much harder to dispatch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 09:17:16 No.19616294 Report

Quoted By:

>>19608771
It's good in NU, I even think it was banned to BU

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Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 16:14:01 No.19618961 Report

Quoted By: >>19618976 >>19620466

So wait. How do you use substitute with Aegislash?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 16:16:17 No.19618976 Report

Quoted By: >>19619184

>>19618961
>Sub
>SD
>Kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 16:37:25 No.19619184 Report

Quoted By: >>19619205 >>19619245

>>19618976
Is that viable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 16:40:10 No.19619205 Report

Quoted By: >>19620505

>>19619184
Very. It works similar to KS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 16:44:44 No.19619245 Report

Quoted By: >>19620505

>>19619184
Not really. KS works much better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 18:47:35 No.19620466 Report

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>>19618961
Sub +SD Aegi is not bad, but personally I prefer Sub + SB + Iron Head + KS in most cases.
It's great for example against Sucker Punch users.
>M-Mawile used Sucker Punch
>Aegislash used Substitute
So grand. Plus it helps a lot against Leech seeder like Ferrothorn and you need much less prediction for switches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 18:52:06 No.19620505 Report

Quoted By: >>19620543

>>19619205
>>19619245
Why should i run Kings Shield?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 18:55:54 No.19620543 Report

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>>19620505
Priority.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:22:10 No.19621346 Report

Quoted By: >>19621352 >>19621359

So what would you suggest for someone who's never used Aegislash before? And is brand new to competitive.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:23:32 No.19621352 Report

Quoted By: >>19621368

>>19621346
Get guud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:24:11 No.19621359 Report

Quoted By: >>19621416

>>19621346
standard physical

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:25:30 No.19621368 Report

Quoted By:

>>19621352
Rekk'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:30:17 No.19621416 Report

Quoted By: >>19621437

>>19621359
So 252 Atk 252 Def?
Kings Sheild
Shadow Claw
Iron Head
????

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:32:28 No.19621437 Report

Quoted By: >>19621466

>>19621416
KS
IH
SS
SS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:36:01 No.19621466 Report

Quoted By: >>19621480

>>19621437
SS
SS
Shadow Sneak and Swords Dance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 20:37:03 No.19621480 Report

Quoted By: >>19622520 >>19622535

>>19621466
sacred sword you glorious retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 22:26:26 No.19622520 Report

Quoted By: >>19622560

>>19621480
Way to be an ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 22:28:24 No.19622535 Report

Quoted By: >>19622560

>>19621480
>3 different moves it can run whos initials are SS
>you don't specify
>somehow they're a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 22:31:58 No.19622560 Report

Quoted By:

>>19622520
>>19622535
He can only learn 2 with SS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Jun 2014 22:35:32 No.19622591 Report

Quoted By: >>19624341

SubToxic is its best set. It cuts out all the junk coverage moves it doesn't need, replaces it with Toxic, and then uses SubShield to be really annoying and defensive while also retaining that ridiculous Shadow Ball.

You guys gotta try it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 01:05:30 No.19624341 Report

Quoted By: >>19624373

>>19622591
So...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 01:07:31 No.19624373 Report

Quoted By: >>19628295

>>19624341
Shadow Ball
Substitute
Toxic
Protect
252 So.Def
252 Sp.Atk
?

TM13

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TM13 Sun 15 Jun 2014 01:45:48 No.19624844 Report

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Guys. Guys. Guys.
Guys.
Guys.
What is a wall breaker?

!!FHIQnvzWWOy

!!FHIQnvzWWOy Sun 15 Jun 2014 01:51:17 No.19624907 Report

Quoted By:

>>19608727
WP with no coverage.

It works but Sacred Sword offers great coverage with ghost attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 06:22:26 No.19628295 Report

Quoted By:

>>19624373
> putting anything into special defence
nigga just 252 HP and 252 Sp.atk + Quiet/Modest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 06:42:15 No.19628431 Report

Quoted By: >>19630217

why would you subtoxic if you already have Gliscor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 11:22:51 No.19630217 Report

Quoted By:

>>19628431
why not

mom

mom Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:34:58 No.19632516 Report

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>Not running weakness policy Aegislash.

Really?
What are you guys doing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:58:12 No.19632821 Report

Quoted By: >>19633912

I had mine as a suicide end game
Toxic to set up at the start, kings sheild to wittle down the HP, can't remember the 3rd move but I had destiny bond for the end game, opponent down to 1 last Pokemon, destiny bond when im on low hp, easy win

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:40:02 No.19633912 Report

Quoted By: >>19634112

>>19632821
Destiny Bond looks good on paper, but it's that slow, I doubt you can kill anything with it, since the opponent has to willingly choose to kill Aegi with DB on him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:04:01 No.19634112 Report

Quoted By: >>19634139

>>19633912
It works quite well actually, opponent thinks youre out of pp, attacks to kill next turn and its still in effect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:05:00 No.19634139 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634112
And what if you don't play against scrubs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:15:48 No.19634257 Report

Quoted By: >>19634273 >>19634277

What's a good set for Doublade? I'm thinking sneak, sword, and I'm stuck on the other two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:17:04 No.19634273 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634257
Toxic, Sub

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:17:15 No.19634277 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634257
Gyro ball and swords dance are the other two moves I run in RU.

Serena

Serena Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:30:25 No.19634410 Report

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>>19609083
>Quiet with 12 speed

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