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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:45:06 No.19632631 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19632709 >>19632944 >>19632992 >>19633034 >>19633286 >>19634551 >>19637062 >>19642301 >>19643708

My VGC team gets raped by MegaCharY.

>Rotom-W (Solar Beam)
>Mega Scizor (Heat Wave)
>Salamence (Dragon Pulse)
>Gengar (Any attack)
>Amoonguss (Heat Wave)
>Mega Charizard Y (the other pokémon focus on him)

Halp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:48:08 No.19632666 Report

Quoted By: >>19632677

Heatran

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:49:12 No.19632677 Report

Quoted By: >>19632723

>>19632666
>666
dem trips

But he said VGC, and Heatran isn't legal in VGC14.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:50:16 No.19632699 Report

Quoted By: >>19632839

Rotom Anything @ Choice Scarf

>want to prepare for June International
>go to Rating Double Battles because it's the best next thing
>5th gen all over again

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:50:20 No.19632701 Report

Quoted By: >>19632719 >>19632729 >>19632731

Use pic related with stone edge

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:50:45 No.19632709 Report

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>>19632631
Rocks.
Slap focus sash on something super effective
Interrupt drought with sandstorm or drizzle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:51:45 No.19632719 Report

Quoted By: >>19634113

>>19632701
>Stone Edge
>in an obvious VGC team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:52:01 No.19632723 Report

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>>19632677
Whoops, I'm retarded. Sorry OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:52:17 No.19632729 Report

Quoted By: >>19632743

>>19632701
Sorry, I meant stone edge...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:52:23 No.19632731 Report

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>>19632701
>Stone Edge
This is VGC nigga, use Rock Slide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:52:38 No.19632735 Report

Quoted By: >>19632788 >>19632939

Give Gengar a Life Orb and HP Rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:53:38 No.19632743 Report

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>>19632729
don't mind my stupidity, I need some sleep... obviously I meant rock slide

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:56:40 No.19632788 Report

Quoted By: >>19632939

>>19632735
>252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Hidden Power Rock vs. 100 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 161-192 (96.9 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Shit, bulky ZardY is becoming popular, and if you get a low roll you're fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:57:22 No.19632804 Report

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Choice Scarf Mamoswine

Or anything faster than base 100 and has a rock move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 15:59:10 No.19632839 Report

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>>19632699
And there's EV spreads for Rotom W meant to survive Charizard's Solar Beam, eat Sitrus berry and return with a Thunderbolt.

Also, Rotom H @ Anything. Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, Safety Goggles or whatever those are called are good for opposing Amoongus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:06:07 No.19632939 Report

Quoted By: >>19633265

>>19632735
>>19632788
Use Greninja with Rock Slide.

Even with a Timid nature, you kill bulky ZardY 100% of the time.

>0- Atk Protean Greninja Rock Slide vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 180-216 (108.4 - 130.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:06:28 No.19632944 Report

Quoted By: >>19643409

>>19632631
do the crustle shuffle
>44 Atk Crustle Rock Tomb vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 324-384 (100.6 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:11:20 No.19632992 Report

Quoted By: >>19632999 >>19633061

>>19632631
Try replacing rotom-w with rotom-w.
Also, dragon pulse isn't really a thing, don't be so scared of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:12:23 No.19632999 Report

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>>19632992
Jesus Christ, it's too early for me to post.

Replace rotom-w with rotom-H*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:15:41 No.19633034 Report

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>>19632631
If you want to keep your Rotom-W, you'll have to chane it's EV spread. With the following one, he can survive a Solar Beam from M-CharY : 156HP / 220 SAtk / 132 SDef.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:18:11 No.19633061 Report

Quoted By: >>19633176

>>19632992
I run Dragon Pulse.

Because it OHKOs Scarfed Salamence.

Honestly, I could curb stomp OP's team and I'm a shit player. You might need to change your whole team OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:28:05 No.19633176 Report

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>>19633061
I know some people run but it's not very common at all.

It has less than a 20% chance to OHKO scarf salamence. There's literally no reason to run dpulse over HP Ice. HP Ice reliably OHKOs the two big dragons and has better coverage.

HP Ice isn't very common either but it's a lot better than dpulse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:35:33 No.19633265 Report

Quoted By: >>19633292

>>19632939
You didn't account for the damage reduction in doubles or is rock slide not affected by it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:37:16 No.19633286 Report

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>>19632631
Use Rotom-H.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:37:56 No.19633292 Report

Quoted By: >>19633300 >>19633321

>>19633265
You're right, now doubles.
>0- Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Rock Slide vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 172-208 (103.6 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

It kills anyways.

Also, what's better? Modest or Timid for MegaY?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:38:32 No.19633300 Report

Quoted By: >>19633312

>>19633292
Modest is better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:39:34 No.19633312 Report

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>>19633300
Yeah, Timid can't outspeed for shit anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:40:16 No.19633321 Report

Quoted By: >>19633331 >>19633339

>>19633292
I did Modest, and Timid. I favor my timid as my modest was always getting outsped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:41:13 No.19633331 Report

Quoted By: >>19633340

>>19633321
Against what exactly?

And honestly I think timid is the more responsible choice. 100 base speed is just on the crux of acceptable speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:41:58 No.19633339 Report

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>>19633321
Yeah, but what are you trying to outspeed anyways? Garchomp? Gengar? Win the speedtie with MegaMom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:42:04 No.19633340 Report

Quoted By: >>19633389

>>19633331
I wouldn't be able to give you exact Pokemon. It's been several months since I made the switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:42:41 No.19633345 Report

Quoted By: >>19633366 >>19633371 >>19633412

Uh... no one's going to call out OP on having two megas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:44:53 No.19633366 Report

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>>19633345
Pretty common on VGC. You just pick the mega that suits you better given your opponent's pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:45:20 No.19633371 Report

Quoted By:

>>19633345
what is take 6 choose 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:47:11 No.19633389 Report

Quoted By: >>19633402

>>19633340
The only relevant thing you would need to outspeed is MegaKan. Even then it's a speed tie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:48:46 No.19633402 Report

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>>19633389
>tfw when getting outsped by irrelevant things

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:50:15 No.19633412 Report

Quoted By:

>>19633345
I'll call you a retard instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:50:28 No.19633414 Report

Quoted By: >>19633457 >>19633465 >>19633516

VGC thread?
VGC thread.

r8 pls
http://pastie.org/pastes/9287400/text

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:57:19 No.19633457 Report

Quoted By: >>19633528 >>19633726

>>19633414
The only real threat for Amoonguss is CharY, it can only Protect or switch out against a Heat Wave.

And...
>No I'm not using substitute+lefties, go away.
O-Okay...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 16:58:04 No.19633465 Report

Quoted By: >>19633515 >>19633655

>>19633414
I'm not terribly familiar with VGC so forgive me for my ignorance but why no Volt Switch on Manectric?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:03:01 No.19633515 Report

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>>19633465
Well, if you want to spam Intimidate, Volt Switch is pretty good. But Meowstic is already doing a nice job with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:03:02 No.19633516 Report

Quoted By: >>19633726

>>19633414
>No I'm not going to use the superior set
Keep being shit, your Aegi loses to Modest SubAegi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:04:03 No.19633528 Report

Quoted By: >>19633533 >>19633655

>>19633457
I don't play VGC, why is Heat Wave a thing and not Fire Blast or Flamethrower?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:04:27 No.19633533 Report

Quoted By:

>>19633528
Because it's doubles and it hits both enemies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:15:33 No.19633655 Report

Quoted By:

>>19633465
Most of the time you don't want to switch, it's more risky than in singles.

>>19633528
Yeah, hitting both opponents is a plus heat wave has.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:21:05 No.19633714 Report

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I like to open with Amoonguss and Aegislash, then I can Rage Powder and Sub with Aegi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:22:26 No.19633726 Report

Quoted By: >>19633883

>>19633457
>>19633516
fine

why is sublefties so much better than WP?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:26:29 No.19633765 Report

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>mfw a Hawlucha used Feather Dance against my special Aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:37:40 No.19633883 Report

Quoted By: >>19633937 >>19633973

>>19633726
An Aegislash behind a Sub is 10x scarier than an Aegislash at +2.
Modest Sub beats Quiet Aegis by subbing in front of them, putting them in blade form basically forcing them to go for King's Shield. Sub also lets you dodge spores from Amoongus.

It's also a big mind game thing as well. If the opponent predicts you to King's Shield and double targets your other pokemon Aegislash can get a Sub up for free potentially.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:42:21 No.19633937 Report

Quoted By: >>19634014

>>19633883
So if I were to use that, just swap shadow sneak with sub and give it lefties?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:45:35 No.19633973 Report

Quoted By: >>19634014

>>19633883
I run Quiet with 31IV in speed, it works too or am I fucked?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 17:50:53 No.19634014 Report

Quoted By:

>>19633937
Yeah that could easily work.

>>19633973
It'll be fine. The metagame has been changing when it comes to Aegi recently. A lot of people are running Modest with around 12-20 Speed EVs to speed creep other Aegis. Just keep that mind when you're facing other Aegislash. Every other situation will be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:04:02 No.19634113 Report

Quoted By: >>19634210 >>19634234 >>19634256

>>19632719

>implying Stone Edge isn't almost always better than Rock Slide if you don't have STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:11:41 No.19634210 Report

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>>19634113
Rock Slide hits both pokemon and has a 30% chance to flinch. That's a 30% chance to flinch both pokemon. It's literally the best move in doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:13:45 No.19634234 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634113
You've never played Doubles before, have you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:15:32 No.19634256 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634113
Singlesfags pls go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:19:06 No.19634291 Report

Quoted By: >>19634372 >>19634373 >>19634379

What's a good build for MegaCharY anyway? I've wanted to use it, but it just feels inferior to EdgezardX.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:26:50 No.19634372 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634291
Timid/modest 252 spa, 252 speed
heat wave/flamethrower
solar beam
air slash/focus blast
dragon pulse/roost/protect

There.
I actually like air slash just to kill fighting types,
and I can't stand focus blast low accuracy.
Dragon pulse isn't that necessary,
but even with protect charY can't stay that long on the battlefield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:26:52 No.19634373 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634291
1) heat wave
2) overheat
3) solarbeam
4) protect

modest, 100 HP / 252 SpA / rest in speed I think

needs wide guard support

Serena

Serena Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:27:26 No.19634379 Report

Quoted By: >>19634423

>>19634291
ZardX is vastly inferior to Y in doubles. The most common Y is

Timid 252 SpA 252 Spe

Heat Wave
Solar Beam
Air Slash
Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:31:33 No.19634423 Report

Quoted By: >>19634513 >>19634517

>>19634379
I dunno about inferior, X is certainly gaining traction

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:39:35 No.19634513 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634423
The best thing about X is that people will attack it as though it's Y.
After that first turn it's sort of bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:40:00 No.19634517 Report

Quoted By: >>19634533

>>19634423
Because nobody expects X, but Y is superior.

Also, something I read on NB for Y.

>100 Hp / 252 SAtk / 156 Spd
>Modest Nature
>- Overheat
>- Heat Wave
>- Solar Beam
>- Protect

>In the past, Mega Charizard Y usually used EV spreads that focused on being fast and hitting hard. The only problem is it cannot outspeed one of its biggest threats using this – Garchomp. For that reason, 156 speed can be used to out speed Focus Sash Smeargle by one point, the fastest big threat that Charizard can outspeed. The rest can be put into bulk – why waste speed outspeeding nothing important when you can take less damage from attacks?

That said, I run Timid with Max Spd and SpAtk (Heat Wave, Dragon Pulse, Protect, Solar Beam)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:42:10 No.19634533 Report

Quoted By: >>19634539

>>19634517
NB is Nugget Bridge, right? I've been thinking about getting into VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:42:45 No.19634539 Report

Quoted By:

>>19634533
Yep, is NB.

And I got into VGC just recently, but damn, this shit is fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:43:33 No.19634551 Report

Quoted By: >>19634607

>>19632631

I ran Stone Edge on my Scarf Salamence. Had no trouble taking out Charizards

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 18:49:32 No.19634607 Report

Quoted By: >>19634785

>>19634551
OP here. It was so obvious all along...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 19:07:18 No.19634785 Report

Quoted By: >>19634852

>>19634607
I'd still say you need more checks to Zard besides that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 19:13:11 No.19634852 Report

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>>19634785

While we're on the topic of checks, what nature/evs do you have on rotom-w? (if you're not willing to switch to rotom-h)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 20:11:57 No.19635501 Report

Quoted By: >>19636506

Just when I replace Taunt for Rock Slide on my Greninja, I face a Trick Room team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 21:22:05 No.19636506 Report

Quoted By:

>>19635501
every time

>get rid of safeguard on meowstic
>face a smeargle team

>get rid of thunder wave on meowstic
>face a team with a scarfer I want to get rid of

>get rid of psychic on meowstic
>multiple turns he has basically nothing to do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 22:04:36 No.19637030 Report

Quoted By:

I want to try Meowstic, so, Bold? Calm?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 22:06:39 No.19637062 Report

Quoted By: >>19637110 >>19637138 >>19637332 >>19637429

>>19632631
Is this for VGC Singles or Doubles?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 22:10:01 No.19637110 Report

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>>19637062

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 22:11:58 No.19637138 Report

Quoted By:

>>19637062
u srs m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 22:25:33 No.19637332 Report

Quoted By:

>>19637062
>VGC Singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jun 2014 22:30:44 No.19637429 Report

Quoted By:

>>19637062
Triples.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jun 2014 03:33:07 No.19641026 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jun 2014 05:46:18 No.19642301 Report

Quoted By: >>19642322

>>19632631
Stealth rocks, dipshit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jun 2014 05:49:02 No.19642322 Report

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>>19642301
>VGC
>having time to setup rocks

Dakoda 5343-9188-5959

Dakoda 5343-9188-5959 Mon 16 Jun 2014 08:55:37 No.19643409 Report

Quoted By:

>>19632944
This made me laugh harder than it should have

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jun 2014 09:53:54 No.19643708 Report

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>>19632631
If your Rotom-Wash is dying to a single solarbeam you're doing something wrong.

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