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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 03:59:09 No.19811441 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19811640 >>19814878 >>19814910

ITT: Good looking pokemon ruined by stat spreads
Pic related

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:02:46 No.19811497 Report

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So depressing

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:07:20 No.19811556 Report

Quoted By: >>19812085 >>19812099 >>19817612 >>19818004

yeah

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:13:56 No.19811640 Report

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>>19811441
>tfw my bro will never be good

timmy !GTSHonch.6

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timmy !GTSHonch.6 Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:13:56 No.19811641 Report

Quoted By: >>19812097 >>19812102 >>19814213

>80 in attack and sp. attack
>70 HP and both defenses.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:23:00 No.19811748 Report

Quoted By: >>19812091 >>19812095 >>19812176 >>19814303 >>19817564 >>19818195

>Insectoid Martian Power Ranger

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:57:04 No.19812085 Report

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>>19811556
My bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:58:20 No.19812091 Report

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>>19811748
Nothing tops this. Such a good design, and so fucking unusable. What was Gamefreak even thinking when statting this thing out? They just made it so god damn bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:59:14 No.19812095 Report

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>>19811748
This fucking feel. Can't even get along in-game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:59:33 No.19812097 Report

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>>19811641
It works well as a suicide lead.

I really thought it'd be trash, but it was actually pretty good at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:59:39 No.19812099 Report

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>>19811556
but Vileplume stats aren't bad

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 04:59:53 No.19812102 Report

Quoted By: >>19812128 >>19812132 >>19812232

>>19811641
>Swagger.
>Psych Up.
>Ice Shard.
>Shadow Sneak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:02:22 No.19812128 Report

Quoted By: >>19812191

>>19812102
>swagger
You funny guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:03:03 No.19812132 Report

Quoted By: >>19812152 >>19812191 >>19817530

>>19812102
Swagger is banned numb-nuts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:06:02 No.19812152 Report

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>>19812132

Want to say "bait", but wouldn't put it past a Smogonfag to say this seriously.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:06:31 No.19812156 Report

Quoted By: >>19812182 >>19812190

Stats aren't THAT bad, but it's severely outclassed by most other pokemon, including Dusclops

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:09:13 No.19812176 Report

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>>19811748
I really wonder what goes through their heads when giving these final evo pokemon such bad stats.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:10:01 No.19812182 Report

Quoted By: >>19812219 >>19812283 >>19812288 >>19814221

>>19812156
>Dusclops
>Murkrow
>Porygon2
All outclass their final form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:10:19 No.19812190 Report

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>>19812156
Eh, dusclops kinda sucks now thanks to knock off: the meta. But it would be nice if it had a better niche.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:10:18 No.19812191 Report

Quoted By: >>19812232

>>19812128
>>19812132
BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN
Showdown isn't the only meta that exists
unbelievable, I know. I'll give you a few minutes, let it sink in

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:12:26 No.19812219 Report

Quoted By: >>19812246 >>19812275

>>19812182
>murkrow outclasses honchkrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:14:32 No.19812232 Report

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>>19812191
The set in >>19812102 is total trash though.

Just stick with the suicide lead. Spikes/Taunt/Ice Beam/Destiny Bond. I'm not saying it because it's Smogon Approved©, I'm saying it because it's legitimately the only thing it's good at, and it's pretty good at it.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:16:07 No.19812245 Report

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>>19812176
>"This was for Ledian, what's the score?"
>"Looks like it landed on 390."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:16:12 No.19812246 Report

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>>19812219
prankster

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:17:54 No.19812260 Report

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>>19812246
As opposed to
>Moxie
>125 attack
>STAB Sucker Punch
>excellent offensive typing
It's really really good in UU. Murkrow is just gimmicky shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:19:31 No.19812275 Report

Quoted By: >>19812301

>>19812219

>Honchkrow
>Ever useful other than tipping fedora

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:19:55 No.19812283 Report

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>>19812182
Could have at least said Chansey.

Murkrow is ridiculously niche and Dusclops is beyond awful.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:20:00 No.19812284 Report

Quoted By: >>19812343 >>19812357 >>19812370 >>19814326 >>19817058

Making it a physical attacker was huge mistake. They even created Trevenant to add insult to injury.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:20:52 No.19812288 Report

Quoted By: >>19812338

>>19812182

>dusclops outclasses dusknoir

In what ways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:22:03 No.19812301 Report

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>>19812275
>buzzwords

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:24:58 No.19812338 Report

Quoted By: >>19816986

>>19812288
dusclops: 40/70/130/60/130/25
dusknoir: 45/100/135/65/135/45

with an eviolite, dusclops has more tankage capabilities, making the horrendous HP stat they both share less of a burden.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:25:24 No.19812343 Report

Quoted By: >>19814222

>>19812284
Gourgeist is one of my favorite new Pokemon, I love its appearance and Trick-or-Treat is a lovely ability.

But yeah, it has no good abilities to back up its good attack stat, Phantom Force is the only good ghost move it can learn that is physical. If it could learn shadow claw, I'd be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:26:50 No.19812357 Report

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>>19812284

>tfw no signature attack that utilizes on whipping the opponent silly with hair ala Millia from GG

And they just had to make it physical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 05:28:42 No.19812370 Report

Quoted By: >>19817568

>>19812284
Trevenant is pretty shit though.

Gourgeist-Small is pretty decent cause it has a fast wisp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 09:06:19 No.19814213 Report

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>>19811641
It's probably my favourite mon to use on spike stacking offence. Pretty damn decent in game too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 09:08:04 No.19814221 Report

Quoted By: >>19818067

>>19812182
Porygon2 does entirely different things than PorygonZ. It was also better before eviolite.

But Dusclops 100% outclasses Dusknoir. The only thing Dusknoir has is a slightly higher attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 09:08:16 No.19814222 Report

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>>19812343
Shadow Sneak

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 09:20:31 No.19814303 Report

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>>19811748
lel the sad thing is that ledian is bad even for ingame, even furret has sucker punch and return, ledian dont got shit and has pitiful attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 09:24:31 No.19814326 Report

Quoted By: >>19814768

>>19812284
Will o Wisp
Leech Seed
Shadow Sneak
Flamethrower or anything

Small size

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 10:54:45 No.19814768 Report

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>>19814326
or just go "gourdnade" with trick room/explosion, super size ofcourse

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 11:21:25 No.19814878 Report

Quoted By: >>19818004

>>19811441
They wanted my sis to suck

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 11:28:35 No.19814910 Report

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>>19811441

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 15:14:37 No.19815900 Report

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Articuno.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:29:25 No.19816943 Report

Quoted By: >>19817687

Man...

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:33:31 No.19816970 Report

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:35:40 No.19816986 Report

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>>19812338
But Dusclops is more susceptible to knock off. This is why I'll prefer Dusknoir over Dusclops.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:38:33 No.19817009 Report

Quoted By: >>19817031

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:40:44 No.19817031 Report

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>>19817009
>Fast w/ decent SpA
>that movepool

Flygon is jealous right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:44:23 No.19817058 Report

Quoted By: >>19817567

>>19812284

It just needs Fire Fang/Flare Blitz and a recovery move like Moonlight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:46:00 No.19817079 Report

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Guys Supersize has always been the superior forme for Gourgeist, stop suggesting otherwise. Bulk > Speed on a mon like that.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:37:33 No.19817530 Report

Quoted By: >>19817554

>>19812132
>implying smogonfag rules are official

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:41:49 No.19817554 Report

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>>19817530
>implying you can find decent opponents anywhere else

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:44:46 No.19817564 Report

Quoted By: >>19817588

>>19811748
This is one Pokemon that deserves a mega over almost any other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:45:32 No.19817567 Report

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>>19817058
>fire fang
>on something with such a tiny mouth
I'll give you Fire Punch, it does have those huge hands.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:45:36 No.19817568 Report

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>>19812370
>zombie tree
>bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:49:00 No.19817588 Report

Quoted By: >>19817601 >>19817604

>>19817564
>+100BST
>still shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:50:15 No.19817601 Report

Quoted By: >>19817616 >>19817958

>>19817588
What could they do with Ledian's stats/ability to give it a viable mega?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:50:15 No.19817604 Report

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>>19817588
if they managed to fix up mawile maybe they can do the same for ledian
or it could get the zam treatment and have it's mega be far worse than it's regular form with a different item

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:51:16 No.19817612 Report

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>>19811556
Vileplume is godly in NU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:51:42 No.19817616 Report

Quoted By: >>19817630 >>19817647

>>19817601
nothing, not ever huge power. it needs another evo first

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:53:37 No.19817630 Report

Quoted By: >>19817646

>>19817616
and new additions to the movepool, like Tail Glow

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:55:12 No.19817646 Report

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>>19817630
I can't see it going special though. I keep thinking of iron fist mach punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:55:17 No.19817647 Report

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>>19817616
It's special defense and speed isn't even that bad though.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:00:56 No.19817687 Report

Quoted By: >>19817970

>>19816943
I feel your pain, man. My poor bears :'(

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:30:19 No.19817958 Report

Quoted By: >>19817971 >>19818133

>>19817601
It would honestly need a completely different stat distribution. I'm talking
>HP: 55
>Attack: 105 (+70)
>Defense: 75 (+25)
>Sp. Attack: 25 (-30)
>Sp. Def: 105
>Speed: 110 (+25)
With some kind of decent typing like Bug/Steel.

And it still probably would be stuck in NU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:32:03 No.19817970 Report

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>>19817687
At least Ursaring can hit things like a tank with Guts boosted STAB Facade. It only lasts a couple turns and is slow as fuck but its something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:32:04 No.19817971 Report

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>>19817958
At least it would still make it even somewhat viable. I mean that thing isn't even useable in game as it is right now and I mean not everyone really cares about the meta game.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:36:44 No.19818004 Report

Quoted By: >>19818106

>>19811556
Effect Spore Vileplume is insane.

>>19814878
This really needs a buff or at least a new ab.

Pic related needs a mega, his typing is not that bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:46:00 No.19818067 Report

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>>19814221
Errr, no disrespect, I love both forms, but no. You're wrong.

It may have been More of a debate before gen VI, but with the buffs to dark type, Porygon-Z has satisfactory coverage. And if you run sticky web support, it isn't concerned about running agility. They both do their own things very well. Apples and oranges, my friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:50:13 No.19818106 Report

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>>19818004
Effect spore set plz? Dose middling defenses... If it was static alone, I'd be cool running giga drain/synthesis to recover enough to take repeated assaults, but I just can't deal with the random nature of that effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:52:48 No.19818133 Report

Quoted By: >>19818150

>>19817958
That distribution would at least bring it to UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:54:41 No.19818150 Report

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>>19818133
It couldn't possibly be used on a switch in and its HP is still god awful. And shit like Houndoom would push it right down at least a tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:58:43 No.19818195 Report

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>>19811748
>Iron Fist
>Gets Punching moves to use it
>35 Attack
>Worse than some baby-stage Pokemon like Elekid and Magby in the same bloody Generation

Fucking why.

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