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Mega Swampert and Sceptile VGC hopes

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:21:47 No.19823098 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19823329 >>19823337 >>19823712 >>19824581 >>19824594

What would it take for mega swampert or mega sceptile to be top-tier VGC threats next year? I want to believe, /vp/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:38:52 No.19823285 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:39:47 No.19823295 Report

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Swift Swim

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:42:36 No.19823329 Report

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>>19823098
For Swampert, a great attack stat and a Politoed alongside him

For Sceptile, for Bravest Bird and Mamoswine to die and stay die

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:43:07 No.19823333 Report

Quoted By: >>19824820

Mega Swampert could replace Ludicolo and Rotom could run Discharge with Mega Sceptile. I'd say there'd be at least a bit more variation, but it won't impact the VGC meta too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:43:21 No.19823337 Report

Quoted By: >>19823389 >>19823453

>>19823098
Sap Sipper

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:47:15 No.19823389 Report

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>>19823337
In the contest of VGC, Amoonguss, Gourgeist, Ludicolo, Abomasnow, and Trevenant are more common, but that's really it.

It has one weakness. To grass. And you want to give that, instead of one of the best offensive abilities in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:52:58 No.19823453 Report

Quoted By: >>19823490 >>19824074

>>19823337
They'd never give it immunity to grass.

They wouldn't make it immune to its starter counterpart's STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:56:23 No.19823490 Report

Quoted By: >>19823549

>>19823453
they would never give a starter an ability that allows it to flat out counter it's supposed counter type.

Oh wait y-zard exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:02:07 No.19823549 Report

Quoted By: >>19823588

>>19823490
The difference is that Drought fits thematically, Sap Sipper does not.

Let it go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:02:27 No.19823553 Report

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Swampert: More bulk and moves like bulk up and slack off would make him a wrecking machine.

Sceptile: More speed/Special attack and some moves he can actually use off his special attack stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:04:54 No.19823572 Report

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i personally want them to decrease special attack by like 20 points, so that they could do +60 attack, +20 in both defenses, and +20 in speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:07:09 No.19823588 Report

Quoted By: >>19824154

>>19823549
LET IT GO?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:19:01 No.19823712 Report

Quoted By: >>19823756

>>19823098
>2014
>giving a flying fuck about VGC

Hows mega kang, speed boost blaziken, double team and minimize treating you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:24:21 No.19823756 Report

Quoted By: >>19823811 >>19823826 >>19823848

>>19823712
Hey faggot: VGC is doubles.

Blaziken is not only not allowed in VGC 2014, since it is not Kalos native, but it also not very good in doubles. Furthermore, no one uses evasion in a tourney setting because it is frowned upon for being luck based, and also for being pretty ineffective.

Mega Milf is cancer though.

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:27:23 No.19823793 Report

Quoted By: >>19823799 >>19823868

AHEM, girafarig gets sap sipper and skill swap, give that fucker a timid nature and scarf and watch swampert wreck

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:27:58 No.19823799 Report

Quoted By: >>19823806

>>19823793
Or just pair it with Politoed and watch it wreck.

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:29:00 No.19823806 Report

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>>19823799
That is viable as well, but peeps where talking about sap sipper, so i thought i would put my words in

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:29:34 No.19823811 Report

Quoted By: >>19823827

>>19823756
>it is frowned upon
I've seen several tourney winners using minimize and spamming spore
Also, fuck you ,nigger

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:30:37 No.19823826 Report

Quoted By: >>19824200

>>19823756
>VGC is doubles
VGC most certainly does not mean doubles

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:30:38 No.19823827 Report

Quoted By: >>19823839

>>19823811
Phantom force... That is all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:32:02 No.19823839 Report

Quoted By: >>19823851

>>19823827
>1 move with very limited distribution is the answer to some of the most commonly distributed moves in the game
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:33:03 No.19823848 Report

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>>19823756
>Blaziken is not only not allowed in VGC 2014
Are you seriously saying Swampert is Kalos native?

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:33:05 No.19823851 Report

Quoted By: >>19823865 >>19823890

>>19823839
But it works...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:34:39 No.19823865 Report

Quoted By: >>19823889

>>19823851
How many pokes do you plan to run phantom force on per team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:34:56 No.19823868 Report

Quoted By: >>19823889

>>19823793
>sap sipper swampert
>good
I honestly don't understand this whole "it has no weaknesses therefore it's amazing"
Speed is so much more useful to an already bulky pokémon, with sap sipper it just dies to hard hitting faster pokémon.
With swift swim, it could outspeed and ohko so many things with it's STAB EQs that it's insane

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:36:26 No.19823889 Report

Quoted By: >>19823909 >>19823942 >>19823987 >>19824001

>>19823868
>No weaknesses
Have you heard of freeze-dry?
>>19823865
I only need trevenant

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:36:36 No.19823890 Report

Quoted By: >>19823914

>>19823851
what part of "one move with limited distribution" did you not understand?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:38:08 No.19823909 Report

Quoted By: >>19823946

>>19823889
>have you heard of freeze-dry
Because everything runs that
you also only served to prove my point even further, what was your comment about other than to sperg out over an insignificant detail?

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:38:42 No.19823914 Report

Quoted By: >>19823950

>>19823890
I understand limited distribution, but you cant deny that the move wrecks minimize Driflimb

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:41:04 No.19823942 Report

Quoted By: >>19824490

>>19823889
Barely anything carries freeze dry. If anything keeps it out of OU, it'll be Breloom and especially Char-Y

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:41:17 No.19823946 Report

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>>19823909
Im not trying to say, "OH SHIt SON, THIS MOVE WRECKS THE GAME", im saying that these moves may be valid counters, and so what if not many pokes get the moves? It might up the usability of pokes that do

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:41:53 No.19823950 Report

Quoted By: >>19823983

>>19823914
The problem here is your argument is, while this is probably pretty hyperbolic, like saying Blue flare wrecks abomasnow
Yes, it does, but that kind of situation is so rare as to hardly be worth factoring in, and also probably wont have time to actually happen in a given match, because of switching etc
In fact I'd go so far as to say phantom force is worse than that example, because you can switch to a normal type and just make the move useless
This is why 2 turn moves a shit

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:45:16 No.19823983 Report

Quoted By: >>19824026

>>19823950
While you do have valid point, i must ask you this, is any strat 100% flawless? Im not saying that these are the only options, just that they ARE options, prediction plays a huge role in pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:45:24 No.19823987 Report

Quoted By: >>19823995

>>19823889
Name one good user of Freeze-dry that is not garbage.

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:46:23 No.19823995 Report

Quoted By: >>19824011

>>19823987
Mamoswine

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:46:44 No.19824001 Report

Quoted By: >>19824013

>>19823889
>I only need trevenant
So if someone carries a minimizer and also a trevenant counter you are fucked completely by luck no skill needed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:48:34 No.19824008 Report

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I fucking hate Rock Slide.

I just double flinched in the first fucking turn against a mega Aerodactyl. And he flinched me again in the next turn.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE I HATE THIS RNG BULLSHIT.

Might try a normal sashed Aerodactyl now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:48:52 No.19824011 Report

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>>19823995
It is a good pokemon, however it is not a good user of Freeze Dry. It is able to bait Rotom-W and Gyarados with it, but nothing else.

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:48:53 No.19824013 Report

Quoted By: >>19824065

>>19824001
I can also cary a counter to common trenevent counters, and if they beat my strats? Then well played, i just hope i have fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:50:31 No.19824026 Report

Quoted By: >>19824046

>>19823983
>is any strat 100% flawless?

That's not even the point. The point is that your option is incredibly easy to counter and is either on super frail pokes or pokes of little value. Yeah, there is a counter to everything but that doesn't make it viable in a competitive setting because bringing along a shitty poke as a counter to a rare moveset is stupid/
tl;dr Evasion makes the game literally nothing but luck and just because there are a few obscure ways around it doesn't make it balanced or competitive

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:53:39 No.19824046 Report

Quoted By: >>19824065 >>19824079

>>19824026
But its my option, if i lose, then i lose my way, i agree you have very good points, but i want to battle to have fun, not pray to some RNG god for good hax, obscure moves? Yes. Horrible poke choices? Depending on your own tastes. But will i have fun? I can only hope

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:55:33 No.19824065 Report

Quoted By: >>19824084

>>19824046
>>19824013
Oh I thought we were talking about competitive play not just playing purely for fun. Everyone else ITT was talking about playing to win

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:56:44 No.19824074 Report

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>>19823453
>They'd never make Fennekin fire/psy, then froakie would be immune to it's 2nd stab

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:57:02 No.19824079 Report

Quoted By: >>19824104

>>19824046
>but i want to battle to have fun, not pray to some RNG god for good hax,
Then why do you play VGC? As a play type it is notorious for being more rng/luck based than any other rule set

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:57:52 No.19824084 Report

Quoted By: >>19824102

>>19824065
Oh, well these things happen, good to talk about though
>i only use pokemons that i like, never really cared for anyothers really

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:58:59 No.19824102 Report

Quoted By: >>19824115

>>19824084
>>i only use pokemons that i like, never really cared for anyothers really
Then why do you play competivley?

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 04:59:08 No.19824104 Report

Quoted By: >>19824111

>>19824079
I like battling, dont care much for winning
> thats why i dont do nuzlockes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:00:28 No.19824111 Report

Quoted By: >>19824129

>>19824104
>I like battling, dont care much for winning
How old are you?
Please be honest
Also what gender?

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:00:43 No.19824115 Report

Quoted By: >>19824135 >>19824148

>>19824102
Cause i learn alot from other people's battling style
Everyone has a gimmic they want to try, mine just happens to be a little bottom tier

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:01:57 No.19824129 Report

Quoted By: >>19824201

>>19824111
If i told you i would be in violation of global rule 2
Im male

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:02:09 No.19824135 Report

Quoted By: >>19824146

>>19824115
>Cause i learn alot from other people's battling style
But apparently you don't learn because you don't get any better you admittedly use bottom tier gimmics

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:03:04 No.19824146 Report

Quoted By: >>19824171

>>19824135
I learn, just dont use them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:03:11 No.19824148 Report

Quoted By: >>19824165

>>19824115
confirmed for trolling

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:03:29 No.19824154 Report

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>>19823588
LET IT GO

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:04:37 No.19824165 Report

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>>19824148
Actually no, I'm just a bad player i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:05:02 No.19824171 Report

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>>19824146
Then what exactly have you learned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:06:43 No.19824200 Report

Quoted By: >>19824215

>>19823826
>not knowing a thing about VGC rules
VGC uses double battles in its competitions. It's like you've done absolutely no research whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:06:58 No.19824201 Report

Quoted By: >>19824229

>>19824129
>Im male
So you've confirmed you're under aged you;d have to be in your very early teens to think in the manner that you do or be a girl
Honestly, I'm banking on the latter.

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:07:31 No.19824208 Report

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Ive learned that if you quick guard against a talonflame, weavile or ambipomb, peeps will usualy disconect, and if they dont, threat elliminated

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:07:59 No.19824215 Report

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>>19824200
>VGC uses double battles in its competitions. It's like you've done absolutely no research whatsoever.
No shit.
That doesn't mean VGC means doubles. It;s like you've neglected to read the thread whatsoever.

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:09:05 No.19824229 Report

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>>19824201
I guess Adrian is a gender neutral name...

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol)

Adrian (4785-5681-9523)(Mightyena,, Sandile, Absol) Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:13:39 No.19824296 Report

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Dead thread... Well ok see you gents around

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:34:58 No.19824490 Report

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>>19823942

>Two Pokes who usage is moderate keeping something out of OU

You can't be this dumb can you? Especially using Breloom as an example since it gets wrecked by almost everything it doesnt spore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:43:40 No.19824581 Report

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>>19823098
Mega Sceptile will almost certainly be used thanks to LR, being faster than Garchomp and shitting all over Rotom-W.

Mega Swampert is going to be a niche mon at best unless they bring back perma rain. Or allow it to be extended by Damp Rock, whatever. If it has very good bulk it might serve as Wide Guard support mon and Chomp counter of sorts. However, Rotom-W (and all the Grass types used to counter it) will not only pose a huge threat, but also outclass M-Swampert as a bulky water of choice on most Doubles teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:45:13 No.19824594 Report

Quoted By: >>19824669

>>19823098
I don't know but I know I'm gonna be using

Parabolic Charge Scarf'd Heliolisk
LR M-Sceptile

And see where that goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:52:37 No.19824669 Report

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>>19824594
You're not going to be doing any damage with that Heliolisk, and thats super dangerous in dubs because your opponent can just focus on knocking out the other Pokemon with his two mons.

Also LR is better used for support rather than an offense. Try using it with shit like Gyarados or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 06:12:44 No.19824820 Report

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>>19823333
>replace Ludicolo

If anything Ludicolo would become more prevalent as a Swampert counter

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