HAPPY JULY 4TH, ANONYMONS!
It's finally time for me to reveal my special 4th of July Giveaway! Yesterday and this morning were just teasers!!
Now you can choose from two different Pokemon categories and will be given two from each!
That means you can still pick two from
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
>http://imgur.com/a/juiUm#0< ; ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
In-game name: Zyria
FC: 3797 - 6411 - 9825
And you can pick two from the July 4th Special!
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
>http://imgur.com/a/Wd3ly#15< ; ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
In-Game Name: Lopunny
FC: 0920 - 0786 - 4505
This giveaway is so big with so many boxes I had to bring in two 3DS's to fill it!
For those who are new to my giveaways, please trade me any Pokemon you want but I prefer throwaways or cute Pokemon like: Luvdiscs, Magikarp, Badoofs, or Eggs.
Recipients -
1) Please be Online after adding both my FC's
2) Please leave me your in game name, not Trip code name
3) Please leave your FC
4) Please don't send me a Trade, I go in order unless I have to skip.
5) I add 5-6 (or more depending on the orders) at a time.
On a side note: I will send you a Trade invite 3 times in a row, if you don't respond I will skip you, even though doing so breaks my heart. :(
Without further adieu, I open this thread for all of you to make requests that I'll be filling throughout the evening until it's time for me to go and enjoy fireworks over the Sea and have a few drinks with some cute cosplayers.
Anime Expo is so amazing this year, I love it.
Anyhow~
Shop's open!
~ Lopunny!
Spencer 1203-9668-4286
>>19868066 Would like 22 from the first giveaway and 15 from the new one!
Alex 4699-6345-2328
Box 1 vivilion, box 26 inkay. Shiny calm and timid eevees. Thanks in advance
MiniChan (IGN: Clementine)0232-8031-3218 [Tangela, Petilil, Quilladin]
MiniChan (IGN: Clementine)0232-8031-3218 [Tangela, Petilil, Quilladin] Sat 05 Jul 2014 00:57:22 No. 19868189 Report >>19868066 I would like to get the Non shiny Darkrai, Ocean pattern, shiny bold eevee, and shiny modest eevee.
Thanks
IGN: Patrick
Could i grab one for box 11 and 15 in the eevee give away? I've added you
By the way, before the requests come pouring in! This is a small disclaimer. Most of these Pokemon in both Albums for your perusing pleasure have been altered using Powersaves or Pokegen to either make them shiny, a gender change, or to change their forms. The only one to not be altered and was taken from an actual Pre-Order code is the Non-Shiny Darkrai. The Viv's are clones from an OT on Pokemon Showdown (where you can find me and plenty of others) who took the time to breed a perfect IV 31x6. I then made it shiny and gave it the different forms from Power save's utility. The Eevees are also the JPN Event generated from Powersaves and as such they do not have perfect IV's but they do come with Celebrate and I outfitted them with the ability that compliments Eevee, and natures that competitively compliment the Eeveelutions. With all this said, feel free to request anything you would like from both pages, just make sure to add the correct FC. I will honor two choices from each page for everyone, so no worries, and trust me when I say I'll never run out so that's not a problem! I've gabbed enough! I hope you all are enjoying your 4th as much as I'm enjoying mine! Holidays are so much fun, even more so when around the lovely people at Anime Expo or any Convention. The atmosphere's so electric. Stop gabbing me! Time to fill some requests!
Anonymous
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Box 12 and 18 Eevees and Box 1 and 14 Vivillions please :) 0404-6328-6073 IGN:Robin
Anonymous
>>19868066 >All in cherish balls for Eevee >still offering Fancy Pattern Vivillon >still offering Pokeball Patt Vivillon: not in Cherish Ball + Shiny >still offering Shiny Darkrai Jesus, even by even your headcannon definitions of "hack vs legit" from the last thread, those are full out hacked. Wouldn't you agree?
IGN: Patrick
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>>19868191 >>19868066 and box 20 and 26? from the first give away?
Anonymous
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>>19868211 I really appreciate the fact that you took my advice for the hack disclaimer. It'll make this thread smoother in the long run. Good luck with the giveaway!
Andy 4227-2210-9843
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>>19868066 Would like box 21 and box 24
IGN: Patrick
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>>19868211 FC: 0748- 2802 - 5214
Anonymous
Gem 3539-9574-1083
Hello again, Lopunny! Glad to see you back. Would be it okay if I grabbed an Eevee from Box 9 and Box 11? I've still got you added, I think.
>>19868226 Hacked vs Legit vs Standard
Hacked Pokemon -
A pokemon that gives you a distinct advantage over Legit or Standard pokemon by having an unobtainable or not optional Ability, Move(s), Stats, or Item (like Soul dew Mega Latias).
Legit Pokemon -
A pokemon that has been created using the Pokegen/Powersaves and or other means that is not Standard but does not give the player a distinct advantage in competitive play. All Stats are the same or can be achieved in game in match for/of a Standard Pokemon.
Standard Pokemon -
A pokemon that is obtained in game or through an Official Pokemon Event. A pokemon that does not have any alterations outside of what Pokemon/Nintendo/Game Freak supply themselves.
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''Hacked'' Pokemon implies any of these pokemon I giveaway will give a player a distinct advantage over another. Aside aesthetically? I'm sorry, love, but your argument won't hold up.
Still though, if you'd like something feel free to request it. Now excuse me as I help those above these posts who're waiting patiently!
I hope this guide helps others to understand the major differences.
Gem 3539-9574-1083
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>>19868282 wait, I don't have the Eevee FC added. Adding now.
DeliveryMail 3067-6621-2482
>>19868066 Hi zyria i would like box 7 and 13! thanks you!
Blake 0018-0951-1428 (Grass: Pansage, Sawsbuck, Quilladin)
Blake 0018-0951-1428 (Grass: Pansage, Sawsbuck, Quilladin) Sat 05 Jul 2014 01:09:15 No. 19868308 Report >>19868066 I registered Zyria as a friend! I would adore a 22 please! I don't need to bother you for more, I'm just trying to complete my dex. Thank you!
Anonymous
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>>19868211 >be me >go to ax >wait outside for zyria or starr >hour passes >holyfuckitshotterthantitsouthere.png >fuckthis.jpg >see some buddies and go eat at el compadre across the street while watching brasil vs colombia game >mfw i bailed on lunch with gf for a diance i never got >mfw i got sunburned I am not mad, just dissapointed.
Oh well, i'll just have to wait til its officially released.
thanks for the vivillion last night tho~
DeliveryMail 3067-6621-2482
>>19868305 ups wrong i mean box 11 and 13
Luke 3497-0218-4596
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Hi Lopunny, can I get Inkay from box 26, Darkai from box 22, Eevee from box 7 and 9? Thanks!
Anonymous
>>19868299 And you say this like the definitions are fact?
Not everyone uses the terms the same way.
Not trying to be an ass, but your definitions of "Standard" and "Legit" are not what most people, here at least, categorize pokemon in.
Legit means 100% REAL pokemon, no hacking envolved.
Legitimate-hacks are what we call what you would call Legit, probably like most of the Vivillons you are giving out.
Hacked is whatever is full out impossible, such as the two event Vivillons, Pokeball and Fancy, and shiny Darkrai you are distributing.
I probably don't speak for the entire internet, but at least on /vp/ and some other websites, this is the common meaning of the words. Again, not being an ass, but some peoples headcannon shoudn't be put off as fact. People here really don't like when someone does that, friendly warning.
And I'm glad you included a disclaimer this time, it helps prevent bashing you, but still, don't use those headcannon definitions please.
Julio 3411-1100-2475
Paul 3351 5035 1076
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Hello Lopunny, I'd like to request a Box 1: Icy Snow Vivillon and a Box 12 Sandstorm Vivillon. Will send some 5 IV'd leftovers your way.
Anonymous
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>>19868362 You're correct, but just try and get used to it/ignore her when she does this. Julio 3411-1100-2475
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>>19868364 Forget to post that it was the eevees.
Spencer 1203-9668-4286
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Thanks again Lopunny! Have a good 4th of July!
Arro 2509-2309-6974
>>19868066 giving 4?! wow, then...
Box 19 and 24
july 4th special
Box 15 and 17 if that's acceptable, IGN:Arrogantz
Anonymous
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FC: 5155-3490-9530 IGN: Kevin I want Box 19 & 20 from the Vivillons and Box 7 and 15 from the Eevee's
MiniChan (IGN: Clementine)0232-8031-3218 [Tangela, Petilil, Quilladin]
MiniChan (IGN: Clementine)0232-8031-3218 [Tangela, Petilil, Quilladin] Sat 05 Jul 2014 01:25:19 No. 19868452 Report Quoted By:
>>19868066 Thanks again. have a good day.
DeliveryMail 3067-6621-2482
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>>19868305 didnt see we can choose 4 eevees from box 11 and 13 and viv box 20 and smeargle box 25
Anonymous
>>19868362 this is copy pasta from last thread
fuck off if you don't like what she is doing.
Go buy a hooker or something you autist.
Phill [Y: 3695-1023-7274]
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>>19868066 Oh boy!
I would like to have one non-shiny Darkrai and one eevee from box 18.
IGN is Phill, and thank you in advance
Funk [5000 - 2492 - 2934]
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May I get Pokeball Vivillion and Inkay?
>>19868114 >>19868189 >>19868159 Orders filled!
Remember there are two Albums, so I need you to specify which Pokemon you want, and even if you added me before I have deleted your FC to make room for others. I don't keep them after a trade so you have to leave your FC.
Also, please say, '' Darkrai Box 22 '' or '' Eevee Box 23 '' - designate which boxes you want a Pokemon from. There's two different 3DS's, 2 different Albums. I'm doing a juggling act. So lets try that again!
1) Name your pokemon and boxes you're requesting
2) If you don't have your FC in your Trip code please leave it with me
3) Add both my FC's if you're requesting a pokemon from both Albums
4) Please be ONLINE so I don't skip you
Anonymous
>>19868491 >Implying I didn't post it in the last thread as well I don't have an issue with the giveaway in general, as long as there is a hack disclaimer, which there is.
I was just has something to say about her headcannon definitions, that I don't like.
Cris 2036 7032 3174 !!lZ0XI7obdsl
May I reques from a Pokémon from Boxes 25 and 26 from the first link and an Eevee boxes 1 and 11 from the second link? Anyways~ How are ya, Lopunny?
Blake 0018-0951-1428 (Grass: Pansage, Sawsbuck, Quilladin)
Blake 0018-0951-1428 (Grass: Pansage, Sawsbuck, Quilladin) Sat 05 Jul 2014 01:34:37 No. 19868578 Report Quoted By:
>>19868308 I wanted the box 22 Darkrai if I wasn't clear enough :)
Anonymous
>>19868551 Reposting if needed
Box 12 and 18 Eevees
and
Box 1 and 14 Vivillions please :)
0404-6328-6073 IGN:Robin
>>19868362 I will continue to use my definitions. :)
It's what sets me apart from you, a Unique butterfly, love. I'm not going to apologize if you dislike it, but I will say that what you and other dislike isn't a majority, and even if so I would continue using what I feel is appropriate. How you take it is up to you, hun.
Enjoy your 4th, no need to try to come off cross. Smile for me, okay?
Anonymous
>>19868551 The fact that you completely ignored
>>19868362 his rebuttal to your hack definitions shows that you know he's right. Don't be afraid to be wrong.
Anonymous
DeliveryMail 3067-6621-2482
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>>19868337 repostin
box 11 and 13 eevee
box 21 and 20 vivillon
Anonymous
>>19868591 I'm not saying you can't have your own meanings for things, just don't put it off as fact to everyone.
I never stated what /vp/ said was a majority. Much contrary, I stated I don't speak for the whole internet. Majority of /vp/, yes, maybe. But that is because I am a regular, so I know how people think. You stick out like a sore thumb. Nothing wrong with being different, but somethings, especially on 4chan, are not well appreciated.
You can have your definitions for yourself, just please don't post them like it is fact for everyone to follow and believe. It's like going to Mexico and telling them to follow American laws.
>>19868592 Please see
>>19868591 Remember, everyone. Lets not get off topic, okay?
This is a Giveaway for a Holiday. An Event that is created for only one specific purpose: The Community's smile. I don't do it for me, I do it for you all. I want your eyes to widen, for you to give me the best :3 face you can and then go outside to enjoy any festivities or perhaps play a round or two of competitive battling while watching fireworks go off.
This isn't a debate for whose definitions are best left for what, it's not like that nor should it be. This is all about you, the users of /vp/ and other sites who've come here asking for these Pokemon.
I've got a bit behind with these responses so I'll no longer bite at lovely bait, even if that cakes a lie it sure was a delicious one! Omnomnom!
I digress..
No more getting snagged, I'm handing Starr one of the 3DS's to catch up and we're going to hit this thread like a shiny Master Ball and capture all your hearts. <3
Back to filling orders!
Love,
Lopunny~
Anonymous
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>>19868589 I'm going to go try and find where the fireworks are in my area, didn't think we'd have any, so skip me, sorry for bothering you
Anonymous
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>>19868066 /vp/ - Your personal blog
fuck off already
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette)
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette) Sat 05 Jul 2014 01:46:18 No. 19868722 Report >>19868066 From the first set, I would like one from 12 and 24, please. and from the Eevee set, I would like one from 7 and 17! You've already got me added, so I'll be waiting for you online.
Anonymous
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scotteh confirmed for literally bringing lobbyfags onto /vp/ it's over.
Anonymous
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>>19868299 eh
actually a hacked pokemon is the same as legit because it's created not by the game
so quit ignoring the actual definitions
Arro 2509-2309-6974
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>>19868418 repostin to be specific.
Vivillion from box 19 and Smeargle from box 24
Eevees from box 15 and 17
... and i'm smiling
Anonymous
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>>19868697 >I'll no longer bite at lovely bait, even if that cakes a lie it sure was a delicious one! Omnomnom! fuck off back to whatever shitstain site you came from
any
time
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette)
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette) Sat 05 Jul 2014 01:50:34 No. 19868754 Report >>19868722 Ah, to rectify what I just said: I still have you added, but you might not still have me added, despite that I was in the last thread. Do I need to re-add you?
Gem 3539-9574-1083
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>>19868282 Clarifying, Eevee from Box 9 and Eevee from Box 11!
Anonymous
>>19868697 You sure don't seem to like people disagreeing with you now do you?
This isn't Reddit or Showdown, wherever else you can go to. 4chan is quite different from the other 98% of websites, a place for rejects who hate the pretentious sheep who follow and direct. We have our own way of doing things and don't like people like you coming here acting the way you do other places. That's what "lurk moar" means. If you're gonna come here, lurk and see how we do things. When you think you see the way things go, then you can post. No one here likes people who put on that fake "I'm always happy! You should be happy too!" shit either.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe that's why /vp/ doesn't like you here?
Anonymous
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>>19868697 You seemed to have missed what
>>19868664 said again Mrs. Bunnybun! Don't ignore a debate, or you admit defeat
IGN: Patrick FC: 0748- 2802 - 5214
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>>19868551 Thank you Lopunny!
Anonymous
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>arguing with a grill >her previously stating that she hates losing you fags have never had a gf before, have you?
Cris 2036 7032 3174 !!lZ0XI7obdsl
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>>19868788 Well I like her. I also like how she can put up with the faggots like you. How about you stop typing up those nasty replies and leave. All people like you do is ruin the fun for everyone else.
Anonymous
>>19868697 You know, people might actually like you around here if you didn't act like everyone's 1st grade teacher. You are the worst trip I have seen in my 7 years of being on this site, and i have seen quiet a few. You'er happy, happy always fucking happy attitude is the most cancerous thing on the site, even more cancerous than /v/, and /b/. You are lol so funny nuuuurd gurrrrrl xDDDD just preying on the sad, lonely, human contact deprived people of this board, just teasing them and feeding off their attention like it gives you life.
Fuck.
Off.
Back.
To.
Facebook.
>>19868754 Add my second FC, love. That's where the Eevee's are.
Nick 4210-5006-7796
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Eevee box 13 and Eevee box 17 please
Cris 2036 7032 3174 !!lZ0XI7obdsl
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>>19868853 I also added your second friend code!
Ian 4699-7341-0679 Steel: Klang, Bronzong, Magneton SID: 07772 TSV: 3759
Ian 4699-7341-0679 Steel: Klang, Bronzong, Magneton SID: 07772 TSV: 3759 Sat 05 Jul 2014 02:05:29 No. 19868899 Report Quoted By:
Hngggg Sandstorm Viv and Sun Viv Also shiny modest eevee box 15 and shiny bold eevee box 13. Thanks OP!!
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>19868901 Honestly I think that Tumblr is too "deep web" for her but then again she is here.
Anonymous
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>>19868901 tumblr is at the very least hateful, they get that much right.
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette)
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette) Sat 05 Jul 2014 02:07:45 No. 19868933 Report Quoted By:
>>19868853 Shit!!! Sorry for the delay! I just added it.
IGN Serena 2981-6463-5880
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>>19868066 I want an eevee from box 12 please
Anonymous
holy shit i know the pussy game is ridiculous but scotteh control your women.
Scotteh !GAToRZoYuM
Farah ~ 4957-2781-6550 [Shuppet, Phantump, Spiritomb (I think)]
Farah ~ 4957-2781-6550 [Shuppet, Phantump, Spiritomb (I think)] Sat 05 Jul 2014 02:11:11 No. 19868975 Report >>19868066 I would love a shiny Inkay w/happy hour please!!!
adding
THATSRAVEN !!DiemHcCPK5D
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>>19868949 this
also fuck you ridaz i rused you hard. speaking of hard ;^3333333333333
Anonymous
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>>19868853 Your condescending attitude quiet literally sickens me. Everytime i see your faggot tripcode i die a little inside. You have such a bad presence not only here, but on showdown as well. Everytime i see your shitty posts on this otherwise fine board, it sickens me that the janitors, and mods are willingly worsening the board by not banning you.
By simply being here, you are ruining this board not only for me, but for many others.
You are the antithesis of anything on 4chan.
You are the cancer killing 4chan.
Mikela !kANkER45/o
Hello voiced user +Lopunny! I was wondering why you don't ERP with us anymore in amphyrp. We really miss you there! Your scat ERPs were the bomb! love you, Mikela
Anonymous
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Did you forget me? Reposting in case you did. FC: 5155-3490-9530 IGN: Kevin I want Box 19 & 20 from the Vivillons and Box 7 and 15 from the Eevee's
Farah ~ 4957-2781-6550 [Shuppet, Phantump, Spiritomb (I think)]
Farah ~ 4957-2781-6550 [Shuppet, Phantump, Spiritomb (I think)] Sat 05 Jul 2014 02:14:11 No. 19869005 Report Quoted By:
>>19868975 >>19868066 Didn;t even see the second link. If possible, I'd love a Timid shiny eevee for an espeon if possible, So do I add both fcs?
Anonymous
>>19868996 w-where do I find these pokemon scat ERPs THATSRAVEN !!DiemHcCPK5D
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>>19869009 /join dutch on showdown
then post "kanker kanker kanker" three times.
Anonymous
>>19869009 play.pokemonshowdown.com/amphyrp Ask a mod for Voice. I'm sure you'll fit right in. :)
Anonymous
I hate how these threads devolve into shitposting
Anonymous
>>19869026 b-but you're just rusing Anonymous
>>19869028 it is a shit thread already you fucktard.
hopefully by shitposting we'll actually get the pussy gaming mods to delete this cancerous thread
Anonymous
>>19869028 I hate these threads.
Anonymous
wingg !!TMTq3YpkdDo
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Fuck you Lopunny. I do BDSM RPs with people less cancerous than you.
Anonymous
>>19869037 I swear im not rusing. Would this face lie to you? c:
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette)
Don 2723 - 8770 - 9451 (Kirlia, Jigglypuff, Blue Floette) Sat 05 Jul 2014 02:19:20 No. 19869061 Report Quoted By:
Thanks a ton, hunnybun!
Goddess Briyella !!EsI2OlwBcd5
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Hey Lopunny :3 Really miss how you and I yiff in PMs. Especially liked the one where you and I put on the fursuits irl and then ERP'd on showdown :3
Nouh 3265-5585-1438
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>>19868066 alrighty! do you have any Box 17 and box 1 left for the 4th of July givaway? And then box 22 and box 26 from the previous givaway?
TheRealAlex94
Anonymous
>>19869040 >>19869042 >Free pokemon?! That's awful! How dare people give away things! Anonymous
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>>19869060 yes if you're not rusing, /msg Kemokun, eat my shit :3c
Don't mind these guys, they're just the idiots, like Mikela, and others from Showderp. They like to harass people. It's alright, let them get it out of their system or a Mod/Janitor will come on by and clean them up eventually. I'm not worried about them at the moment. :) Just keep making requests and I'll fill them for you. Though, Scotteh, you shouldn't indulge them but that's your prerogative. Anyway, sorry for the delay, I'm going as fast as I can for you guys.
Atlas (Y:3153-5661-9604)
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Would I be able to get a box 19 vivillon, a box 21 darkrai, and a box 11 eevee? Atlas 3153-5661-9604
Anonymous
>>19869072 it's not the fact that it's a giveaway, it's the fact that the OP is an attention whoring, avatarfagging, tripfagging newfag.
Anonymous
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>>19869072 Can you fucking go back to leddit already?
Anonymous
Cris 2036 7032 3174 !!lZ0XI7obdsl
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>>19868555 Just posting my request again because shitposters.
Anonymous
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>>19869085 Wise words anon
Reska 5026-4750-9170
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I'd love a Darkrai from Box 21 to complete my fedoralord Dark pokemon collection.
Anonymous
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>>19869077 >implying scotteh isn't from showderp first and foremost stop trying to act like he's a lobbyfag ):<
Farah ~ 4957-2781-6550 [Shuppet, Phantump, Spiritomb (I think)]
Farah ~ 4957-2781-6550 [Shuppet, Phantump, Spiritomb (I think)] Sat 05 Jul 2014 02:23:51 No. 19869110 Report Quoted By:
>>19869077 Just to clarify, box 26 shiny inkay, and box 17 shiny eevee, if possible please
Anonymous
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Based mods killed the cancer
Anonymous
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I was the Anon that nicely called her out on her headcannon definitions. Obviously she can't take any heat. I left to go shower and came back finding the thread deleted, then came look for this. I swear I haven't laughed so hard in quite a long time. Fucking bitch.
Anonymous
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Yeah, nothing wrong with having a giveaway, even with hacks. Just don't put your headcannon meanings to try and say a hack is legit. Then that always happy attitude and trying to avoid what I was nicely trying to get across drove me to break my niceness. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen. Back to Reddit. Or Showdown.
Anonymous
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Anyone able to find her showdown account?
Anonymous
her account is "Lopunny" on showdown
Anonymous
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>>19869110,5 Didn't see any forum posts, or any activity at all with that account. By the way she acted, I figured she acted like big shit there.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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She came back but instead this time used the Black Market General to do her giveaway. Not to much happened though.
Anonymous
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Lel, she claims she deleted the thread because she didn't have the time to dedicate to it. At that point, that thread was up long enough to where she wouldn't have been able to delete it anymore.