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Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 15:09:32 No.19901487 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19901997 >>19903095 >>19905523 >>19907035 >>19907341

Why didn't they give Tobias a backstory?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 15:11:21 No.19901508 Report

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Did you know his dub voice is J. Michael Tatum?

That shit threw me off-guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 15:21:46 No.19901609 Report

Quoted By: >>19901639

Because he existed solely to cockblock Ash from yet another chance at an important win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 15:24:30 No.19901639 Report

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>>19901609

They must really not want Ash to win anything

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 16:01:59 No.19901997 Report

Quoted By: >>19903136 >>19906877

>>19901487

Because he's Arceus in disguise, using the form of a trainer to make sure that Ash keeps travelling, and thus saves the various regions from the villains that befall them. If he wins, he goes home, and the pokeworld is doomed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:44:48 No.19902957 Report

Quoted By: >>19903076 >>19903158

That guy is the most bullshit plot device ever created. The writers did not want to have Ash win so they went out of their way to make Ash lose. It showed me that without a shadow of the doubt Ash will never ever win one of the Pokemon League challenges.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:45:40 No.19902965 Report

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Your face when tobias returns with a mega stone for latios

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:53:18 No.19903076 Report

Quoted By: >>19903158

>>19902957
But what's even worse is how bullshit B/W was. BW too me feels like a soft retcon, like what happened with the new 52 on DC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:54:17 No.19903095 Report

Quoted By: >>19903118 >>19903346

>>19901487
Because it shows any random trainer you meet can have staggeringly powerful Pokémon compared to yours.
Hell you could be walking down a road to Fortree City, see someone on their phone, walk past them without giving them a second thought, and they could be the next champ in the making.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:56:01 No.19903118 Report

Quoted By: >>19903175 >>19903250

>>19903095
except for the fact that he is a legendary using faggot. even in game legend users piss me off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:57:22 No.19903136 Report

Quoted By: >>19903155

>>19901997
>implying Ash wouldn't still explore the world because he's only, like, 11 and thus has a whole lot more time in his life

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:58:24 No.19903155 Report

Quoted By: >>19903201

>>19903136
> implying he wouldn't spiral down into vice and degeneration after winning as a kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 17:58:31 No.19903158 Report

Quoted By: >>19903207

>>19903076
That's exactly what it was. An attempt to reboot Pokémon. I honestly want the entire Unova Pokedex to go awaybecause it's just an edgier Gen I.

>>19902957
They didn't want him to win and they don't want him to win. They talked about this before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:00:00 No.19903175 Report

Quoted By: >>19903243

>>19903118
Your autism is showing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:01:55 No.19903201 Report

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>>19903155
>implying he wouldn't have crossed the first stepping stone to becoming a master
>implying that, upon finally achieving his dream, he wouldn't spiral down then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:02:10 No.19903207 Report

Quoted By: >>19903512 >>19904488

>>19903158
>They didn't want him to win and they don't want him to win. They talked about this before.

What's the point of watching if Ash never wins? No story has an MC that always loses. People dont want to relate to a loser. You can make your MC an underdog but make him win where it matters. Ash is the opposite of that, he always loses where it matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:04:47 No.19903243 Report

Quoted By: >>19903346

>>19903175
every fucking random challenger I face online ends up with a team full of fucking legendaries. it pisses me off. I don't mean things like the bst 600 pixies but the others? I'd like a fair match without having to resort to mewtwo kyogre and xerneas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:05:22 No.19903250 Report

Quoted By: >>19903271

>>19903118
And? This cunt has managed to capture a legendary Pokémon, something that is been said to be near impossible. He captured the Pokémon, he has the right to use it.
It's not like the games where you can get the Pokémon to 1hp, paralyze it and just spamfuck PokéBalls till it stays in. The animeverse doesn't work that way, you'd get your ass handed to you.
His other non-legendary Pokémon helped him acquire Darkrai and Latios, you really think that you'd be able to stop them? Or is your ego that massive and your brain been fucked by thinking game logic = anime logic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:06:56 No.19903271 Report

Quoted By: >>19903342

>>19903250
even then the fucker knows the power he has under him, if his other mons were so powerful and he had so much confidence in them then why press the easy button???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:12:35 No.19903342 Report

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>>19903271
He's that fucking powerful his whole team is an easy button.
This guy is powerful enough to take on a whole region with one Pokémon. Excluding Ash.
It wouldn't surprise me if his training consists of soloing an entire region.

Using his beefcake Pokémon he seeks out and captures Latios.
What does he do now? Train it, so he takes on the Hoenn region for training.
Using his beefcake Pokémon he seeks out and captures Darkrai.
What does he do now? Train it, so he takes on the Sinnoh region for training.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:12:44 No.19903346 Report

Quoted By: >>19903416

>>19903095

Tobias is different though. He is, to my knowledge, the only legendary-user who uses legendaries like anyone else would use any other Pokemon. Barring Giovanni's brief stint with Mewtwo, all other legendary users either never/rarely use their legendary to battle and are just close friends with them and forced into battle with their legendary under unusual circumstances or use their legendary as their sole Pokemon.

Tobias keeps his (multiple!) legendaries in Pokeballs and presumably trains them like any other trainer would do for their regular Pokemon.

>>19903243

Yeah I hate legendary users in-game too. Not even just the ubers, I just don't like people using Pokemon that are supposed to be unique and far more powerful than any human is supposed to be able to control.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:18:53 No.19903416 Report

Quoted By: >>19903523

>>19903346
>He is, to my knowledge, the only legendary-user who uses legendaries like anyone else would use any other Pokemon.
Nah that's wrong m8.

>Brandon
Three Regis, used on his own.
>Nurse Joy
Latias, used on her own.
>Random trainer with a Heatran
Nido- Heatran it's just out and about
>Tobias
Darkrai, Latios, used on his own.
>Noland
Articuno, Ash asked to battle it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:26:56 No.19903512 Report

Quoted By: >>19903578

>>19903207
What is Venture Bros.?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:27:14 No.19903523 Report

Quoted By: >>19903676

>>19903416

Marcus's Heatran wasn't part of his regular team, it was forced to obey him by Marcus's armor.

Noland's Articuno wasn't a Pokemon he usually used for battle. It was a wild Pokemon that Noland formed a special bond with. It "allowed" Noland to direct it in battle on one occasion, but it's not a regular part of his team.

You've got me on Brandon's Regis and Nurse Joy's Latias though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:30:23 No.19903569 Report

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Because they didn't fucking want him to win.

No interpretation allowed, fags. If you're gonna defend this bullcrap, either go Doylist or go >>>/out/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:30:52 No.19903578 Report

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>>19903512
A comedy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:36:28 No.19903676 Report

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>>19903523
There was another guy in the league, a background useless guy, using Heatran and having it outside of his ball like a bro.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 18:40:39 No.19903743 Report

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Why did this plot device even exist? The match could have been close and Ash still would have lost. I don't see why this was necessary. Also why can't they write backstories for all the trainers that beat ash in the league? And why is it that most lose in the next round and some random faggot we have never heard of competes in the finals?

> Will Ash ever get one of these?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 19:39:50 No.19904488 Report

Quoted By: >>19904571 >>19904715 >>19908113

>>19903207
Because when Ash wins the show is over.

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Atrium 0619-5227-2678 (Ground, dugtrio-Camerupt-Sandshrew) Mon 07 Jul 2014 19:44:46 No.19904552 Report

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Because, he used an Action Replay. No story to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 19:46:08 No.19904571 Report

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>>19904488
>implying they can't continue with the excuse of there still being so much to explore

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Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 19:56:42 No.19904715 Report

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>>19904488
Except that's wrong. The anime made it clear that winning the league is not everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 20:15:32 No.19904955 Report

Quoted By: >>19905405

Why the Heatran trainer never passed to at least the semis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 20:55:51 No.19905405 Report

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>>19904955

Earthquake + no air balloon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 21:06:34 No.19905523 Report

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>>19901487
If he had a backstory it would have to be pretty extensive to show how he got multiple legendaries vow their loyalty to him.

Also it might end up being a far more interesting story than ash's entire story to date.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 21:53:41 No.19906141 Report

Quoted By: >>19906358

You see, they would write themselves into a box if Ash did win. There is nothing to do but go after the E4, and as far as we know, there is no limit as to how many you can fight them. All you do is keep going until you win. Then what? More regions? We would already know he can do it, what would the point be? World Tournament? They could do that, but there would still be no such thing as faffing about in another region since all of that would have been rendered small time. That's sort of what's been going on for years now? Maybe, but you know that him winning any regional tournament would make it even further pointless. If all we have left is to keep going until we become the world champion, then what do we fill that time with? Only others that have managed to get to the same level will matter anymore. I suppose we could go see if we could fight through to get to the other E4s, but that seems like a lot of junk to do just to even get a challenge. That's something they didn't make clear, though. Once you get to that level, do you have to fight to get there again in each region? And then you keep going until you can beat all the Champions? Until you win the World Tournament and become World Champion? And that's but one interpretation. I think that's the only one that matters to them, though. Then what? You wait until someone can defeat you? What was it all for? I can think of better ways to buddy it up with your pokepals, but I digress.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 22:08:26 No.19906358 Report

Quoted By: >>19906537

>>19906141
>Ash's story ends when he achieves his dream of being a Pokemon Master
>a new story starts with a new protagonist
>at the end of the new protagonist's journey through one of the reasons he encounters Ash Ketchum, at least 18 now and depressed because he has all the time in the world yet nothing to do with it
>the new protagonist challenges Ash to a battle and wins
>this brings Ash's spirits back up a little

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Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 22:12:39 No.19906409 Report

Quoted By: >>19906556

Because it'd be too biased.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 22:22:28 No.19906537 Report

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>>19906358
No, we can't do the G/S/C thing now, it's too late for that. This world is operating on a different time line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 22:23:45 No.19906556 Report

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>>19906409
Carlos!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 22:55:38 No.19906877 Report

Quoted By: >>19906985

>>19901997
Does Ash ever really do anything against the evil teams? Most of them are thwarted by legendary Pokémon and Cynthia, Lance etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 23:04:39 No.19906985 Report

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>>19906877
Funny enough, Cynthia didn't do much shit against Galactic at the end and Ash and Pikachu got involved and stopped Plasma and Rocket in B/W.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 23:08:34 No.19907035 Report

Quoted By: >>19907236

>>19901487
That's the only thing that annoyed me. People say he's a Deus Ex Machina to stop Ash winning because they accidentally made him too good, but I thought it was kind of cool for Ash to finally go toe-to-toe with such an obviously impressive trainer, I just think it's fucking annoying that they then cut him out as quickly as possible to go back to Ash being shit with no idea about anything higher than himself.
Hell, they could have just had him as a lead-in to a movie character and it would have all worked out great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 23:24:44 No.19907236 Report

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>>19907035
They had Tobias say that if Ash still had had Gible, he would have swept 4/6 of his Pokemon. The way they had him say that really made it feel like a Deus Ex Machina. Though if you had to say something, Ash did take out two legendaries when Tobias had swept all of Sinnoh with only Darkrai. So I guess that in itself is already an accomplishment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2014 23:34:20 No.19907341 Report

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>>19901487
I always had my headcanon that he was really Ash's dad who's in his early 40's. His face kinda looks like Giovanni's and Giovanni is over 40.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jul 2014 00:43:04 No.19908113 Report

Quoted By: >>19910933

>>19904488
>make one season i.e. kalos shorter than usual due to lack of new pokemon
>have ash win the league
>season of him fighting the maison, elite 4 etc.
>he realizes he has much further to go
>tries the champion league
>just like his matches with the e4 and the maison head, he gets ass-raped
>he doesn't even ko one of the opponent's pokemon
Bam new season in new region

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jul 2014 04:09:07 No.19910933 Report

Quoted By: >>19911055

>>19908113

Problem is once you beat the league you can try the Champion League as much as you want supposedly, making future battles outside of that unimportant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jul 2014 04:17:43 No.19911055 Report

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>>19910933
>he claims the title of Champion
>he battles Champions of other regions
>he loses soon enough to realize he's not THE best just yet
>he decides to continue traveling the Pokemon world, making new friends and training to be able to defeat even the strongest of Champions
Bam new season in new region

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