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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:30:11 No.19994637 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19994666 >>19994799

>tfw this thing is pretty much almost guaranteed to be specially oriented

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:33:47 No.19994650 Report

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I was hoping for it to be physical because it has a better coverage, but, well, I'm gonna live with special M-Sceptile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:35:14 No.19994658 Report

Quoted By: >>19994664 >>19994670 >>19995109

W-we can still hope that it gets some good special moves from tutors, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:36:52 No.19994664 Report

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>>19994658
That's kinda obvious. I'm not running a Leaf Storm/Dragon Breathe Sceptile.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:36:56 No.19994665 Report

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>tfw megas are a thing

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:37:07 No.19994666 Report

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>>19994637
I know right, physical Sceptile is where it is at, both from a movepool and a designed standpoint. I understand they didn't want all three starters to be physical, but I think Swampert would have been a better candidate for special (before the mega of course).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:38:03 No.19994668 Report

Quoted By: >>19994684

Why do people prefer physical sweepers when burn/intimidate exists without a special counterpart to them anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:38:25 No.19994670 Report

Quoted By: >>19994691

>>19994658
What special moves would even fit with lizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:41:30 No.19994683 Report

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>>19994664
He learns Dragon Pulse, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:41:47 No.19994684 Report

Quoted By: >>19994690 >>19995294

>>19994668
They don't always prefer physical overall. It just happens to fit Sceptile a lot better. His design makes him look like he would be physically oriented, and his signature move is physical. Dragon Claw and Outrage fit him a lot better than Dragon Breath/Pulse and Draco meteor as well. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll have a good enough physical attack to be able to run an SD/DD set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:43:07 No.19994690 Report

Quoted By: >>19994713

>>19994684
>DD
Fucker already has godspeed, SD is fine. Only problem is getting the boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:43:34 No.19994691 Report

Quoted By: >>19995099 >>20002150

>>19994670
Give him some electric moves. It makes sense because of his ability. Discharge especially makes a lot of sense. Leaf Storm, Sludge Bomb, Draco Meteor could all be justifiable as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:47:35 No.19994707 Report

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what if it will get an atk boost and elemental punches as tutor moves along with things like outrage and knock off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:49:06 No.19994713 Report

Quoted By: >>19994749

>>19994690
Good point. I forgot he had base 120, and it doesn't look like he's one of the megas who loses speed. Even if it doesn't go up, that's still incredibly good. He already learns SD and Outrage. Leafblade doesn't really provide much coverage, but it is STAB. If he learned Poison Jab, then that would be key. Maybe he could add Drain Punch or EQ (though that would leave him completely walled by Togekiss).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:52:17 No.19994732 Report

Quoted By: >>19994742 >>19994744

>XY
>dragon with no steel or poison moves

top lel
enjoy getting fucked upon once any fairy not named azumarill comes out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:54:35 No.19994742 Report

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>>19994732
I-it'll get Flash Cannon or Sludge Bomb r-right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:54:49 No.19994744 Report

Quoted By: >>19994752 >>19994756 >>19994809 >>19994816

>>19994732
>implying poison or steel moves are mandatory on dragons

Kyu-B, Megazard X, Kingdra, Lati@s and Dragonite would like a word with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:55:40 No.19994749 Report

Quoted By: >>19994777

>>19994713
Can poison jab really do anything on fairies though? I've tried it on a number of pokèmon recently and always miss the KO, which when used by a dragon means losing.

Leaf blade hits water, rock and ground super-effectively, it's not that bad. Dragon claw is worse in terms of coverage, I'd rather go with EQ (fire types now only hit for neutral damage) and... shit it gets almost nothing else. Rock slide? Aerial ace?

One could also use pup instead of SD, juts bring it on a weakened target and either kill it or hit the switch. It's something I'm having much fun with coming from physical Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:56:13 No.19994752 Report

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>>19994744
I like using Dragonite with T-Wave, Roost, Wrap and Iron Tail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:56:35 No.19994756 Report

Quoted By: >>19994765 >>19994768 >>19998978

>>19994744
Garchomp too.

Notice how every single OU-viable dragon doesn't HAVE to run coverage for fairies?

The ones that fell in UU (Mence, Haxorus and Hydreigon) did so because they didn't have a good secondary STAB to deal with fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:58:34 No.19994765 Report

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>>19994756
So basically all the fairy type accomplished was nerfing the worst OU dragons while barely affecting the best ones. So much for balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 10:59:21 No.19994768 Report

Quoted By: >>19994773

>>19994756
Garchomp has iron head and poison jab..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:00:29 No.19994773 Report

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>>19994768
But it doesn't *need* them. Earthquake already hits all fairies not named Togekiss hard, and for that one it can run Stone Edge.
Chomp has no reason to run poison or steel coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:02:01 No.19994777 Report

Quoted By: >>19994782

>>19994749
>+2 252 Atk Sceptile Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 372-438 (94.4 - 111.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
eh, it's not that bad I suppose

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:03:07 No.19994782 Report

Quoted By: >>19994791 >>19994795

>>19994777
I would be more concerned about steel types than fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:04:06 No.19994791 Report

Quoted By: >>19994807

>>19994782
>what is EQ
together with Leaf Blade they make Dragon Claw almost useless

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:04:26 No.19994795 Report

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>>19994782
>Earthquake
>Focus Miss

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:04:49 No.19994798 Report

Quoted By: >>19994808

I'm worried that this thing is gonna drive up talonflame use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:05:00 No.19994799 Report

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>>19994637
>implying Hasty with EQ to tackle Heatran won't be the way to go

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:06:07 No.19994807 Report

Quoted By: >>19994831 >>19994838

>>19994791
The move that you should be running on a physical SD set for coverage rather than Poison Jab, which was my point.

Rock Slide is also mandatory else any flying type including Talonflame hits all over Sceptile.
This means it HAS to run SD/Leaf Blade/Rock Slide/EQ and there is no room for Poison Jab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:06:24 No.19994808 Report

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>>19994798
you forgot a "by" in your sentence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:06:52 No.19994809 Report

Quoted By: >>19994834

>>19994744
>Kyu-B
commonly runs iron head on pure physical sets

>Kingdra
I don't know why you brought this up when it can't even break Florges lel

>XZard
What steel moves does this even get? It gets checked by Azumarill no matter what so again I don't know why you brought this one up

The difference here is that all the mons you listed have great secondary STABs and spammable high base power moves for them (except poor dnite). Sceptile has neither of those luxuries.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:07:21 No.19994816 Report

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>>19994744
None of those have grass as a secondary STAB and a lackluster movepool though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:10:38 No.19994831 Report

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>>19994807
ehhhhh, rock slide is only good for predicting the talonflame switch in
It's not terrible, but you're not going to be staying in against talonflame due to it "outspeeding" m-sceptile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:11:27 No.19994834 Report

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>>19994809
>purely physical Kyu-B
Doesn't exist among skilled players. Teravolt+STAB Ice Beam and Earth Power destroying Megasaur and Rotom-W is its role in OU. Kyu-B is always mixed and has no room for Iron Head.

>Kingdra can't break Florges
Except we're talking about OU viable here, and Kingdra is one of the main sweepers in rain teams.
Also this: 252+ SpA Life Orb Kingdra Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon in Rain: 187-222 (47.4 - 56.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

>ZardX
It gets Steel Wings and it will start using it once Mega Diancie becomes a thing.
And Azu is screwed over by WoW (bulky ZardX is very common lately) so it's not a check at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:12:23 No.19994838 Report

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>>19994807
>+2 252 Atk Sceptile Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 313-370 (79.4 - 93.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
not that bad either, assuming it gets a slight boost

in the end it's a choice between keeping it against flying or fairy, but since rock also hits ice supereffectively, just pack something against the latter (yeah you'd be wasting SD, but you can either not use M-Sceptile as lead or use it to attract fairies and rape them with something else)

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Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 11:25:06 No.19994899 Report

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If sceptile was physical it could potentially be the weakest mega and the frailest mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 12:00:38 No.19995099 Report

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>>19994691
>Draco Meteor
>justifiable on a grass type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 12:01:37 No.19995109 Report

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>>19994658
It's been around for every move tutor sinvce gen 3 and has only gotten Dragon Pulse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 12:26:22 No.19995294 Report

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>>19994684
it won't get Draco Meteor, just like ampharos and/ or fat dragon wannabe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 18:45:22 No.19998978 Report

Quoted By: >>20002214

>>19994756
How the fucking fucking fuck does Haxorus not get Iron Head? It gets fucking IRON TAIL but the axe-head Pokemon doesn't get Iron HEAD.

Fucking Gamefreak sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 22:08:34 No.20002141 Report

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My guess is at least 105 attack, maybe higher. Swords dance will be usable, but I doubt it'll be more common than special + EQ for heatran and other grounded steel types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 22:09:40 No.20002150 Report

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>>19994691
Draco Meteor is only justifiable on Pokemon that are Dragon prior to mega evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 22:13:13 No.20002214 Report

Quoted By: >>20002380

>>19998978
>Heliolisk, a Pokemon based on the sun and light
>Does not get Flash Cannon, Solar Beam, or Dazzling Gleam
>Does get Dark Pulse tho lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Jul 2014 22:23:47 No.20002380 Report

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>>20002214
So, clearly, Heliolisk can harness and convert solar energy into electricity, but is unable to use actual light as an attack.
If only other reptile pokemon could get surf, too..

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