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Baton Pass after the second nerf

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 12:36:47 No.20028489 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20028529 >>20032781 >>20032906 >>20036933 >>20036946 >>20038943 >>20043606

>BP is STILL a threat
>Scolipede is the truly broken element

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-viability-ranking-thread-v2.3502428/page-162#post-5594587

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-141402284

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-141110994

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-140788812

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-140931067

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 12:39:21 No.20028506 Report

Quoted By: >>20028531 >>20032906 >>20032916 >>20034117

holy shit it's just a fucking game like just turn off the screen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 12:42:44 No.20028529 Report

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>>20028489
I find it funny that there people saying Baton Pass wasn't the real problem, it was Scolipede, but no one ever listened.

Anyway, how is Smogon supposed to be taken seriously when they can't identify the real threat behind a certain team composition?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 12:42:52 No.20028531 Report

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>>20028506
Fucking THIS.

/thread
/smogon
/pokemon
/internet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 13:45:56 No.20029021 Report

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Holy fuck

I'm genuinely impressed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 15:04:10 No.20029812 Report

Quoted By: >>20032482

i don't even think it's scolipede, i think it's the fact that espeon or clefable can get boosted defenses and at the same time it powers up stored power, which i think is the most broken move in the game. i mean, it has no base power cap!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:14:09 No.20032482 Report

Quoted By: >>20032832

>>20029812
One of the earliest suggestions for nerfing BP chains was to ban Stored Power, which was promptly ignored as an option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:39:22 No.20032781 Report

Quoted By: >>20032808 >>20032853

>>20028489
>not t-waving the espeon
well that last guy is a fucking idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:41:10 No.20032808 Report

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>>20032781
>what is magic bounce

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:43:15 No.20032832 Report

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>>20032482

Even with Stored Power banned, it's not like any other Special Attack wouldn't decimate people. And it would free up more slots since boosting attack would be irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:44:16 No.20032853 Report

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>>20032781

>T-Waving an Espeon

No anon, you're the fucking idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:45:43 No.20032868 Report

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Give screens+Memento support to any good set-up sweeper and see what happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:49:06 No.20032906 Report

Quoted By: >>20032917

>>20028489
3/4 of those were low ladder battles. Besides there are like a handful of pokemon who can counter a BP team, and OU only plays with a handful of pokemon anyways, so i don't get what the big deal is when it comes to using one of those mons. Besides, smogon has become retarded lately.
>>20028506
and this ^

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:49:30 No.20032916 Report

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>>20028506
ayy lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:49:30 No.20032917 Report

Quoted By: >>20032927

>>20032906
>low ladder battles
That's the suspect ladder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 18:50:28 No.20032927 Report

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>>20032917
Oh okay. well, I stand by the rest of my statement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:14:16 No.20033274 Report

Quoted By: >>20033366

So, mold breaker goes through magic bounce. Is Haxorus with Roar even remotely viable as a check to Scolipede/Espeon shenanigans? Roar is even sound based so theoretically it should go through subs too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:19:02 No.20033366 Report

Quoted By: >>20033488 >>20033587

>>20033274
Roar does go through subs and even protect.

Thing is that Haxorus is only barely good in OU, let alone a set that uses roar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:25:30 No.20033488 Report

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>>20033366
How about anything with Sturdy and Red Card?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:30:15 No.20033587 Report

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>>20033366
Are you ready for the ultimate gimmick?

+2 252 SpA Espeon Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Fraxure: 252-298 (75 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Espeon Stored Power (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Fraxure: 424-499 (126.1 - 148.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

no

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:36:04 No.20033682 Report

Quoted By: >>20033746 >>20033900 >>20036528

> Blaziken gets Speed Boost
>"Oh shit! This is too good! Ban that shit!
> Scolipede gets Speed Boost
>"Eh whatever, it's not like having a fairly bulky 'Mon pass free speed boosts can do anything"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:37:04 No.20033704 Report

Quoted By: >>20033728 >>20036703 >>20036979 >>20037006 >>20045116

why don't people carry haze/clear smog/whirlwind?

One of these moves in a bulky support is enough to stop baton faggotry.

Even a Taunt prankster or setting up sword dance/nasty plot should be enough to nullify the double screens before the second passer sets up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:39:42 No.20033728 Report

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>>20033704

I have even considering using Dragon Tail instead of Clear Smog to deal with Espeons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:40:56 No.20033746 Report

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>>20033682
Blaziken was a ridiculously OP sweeper.

Offensive scolipede is only sort of good and there's a lot of ways to handle its quickpass set, especially considering Ninjask did the same thing (though it was no where near as good at it.)

Also Scolipede is really not that bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 19:52:35 No.20033900 Report

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>>20033682
Blaziken also has a ton of powerful moves and can do a lot of shit outside of baton passing the boosts.

Oh by the way it can also Baton Pass before it gets KO'd once it's done doing its shenanigans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:05:40 No.20034067 Report

Quoted By: >>20034092 >>20034125 >>20038176

Denisss is dominating the Aegislash suspect test ladder with his neo-neo-BP team. It's basically Scolipede+Espeon+Dual Screen+Memento support.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:07:53 No.20034092 Report

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>>20034067
>Denisss

Sweet mother of Arceus, that guy sure is persistent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:10:17 No.20034117 Report

Quoted By: >>20034227 >>20036287

>>20028506
yeah man, discussion? fuck that, lets just post cute pictures of pokemon and pretend the game is perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:10:50 No.20034125 Report

Quoted By: >>20034228

>>20034067
Got some replays?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:17:49 No.20034227 Report

Quoted By: >>20036727

>>20034117
Shouldn't we start looking into making the game more balanced for 6vs6 singles? Like take away Scoli and KFC's ability to pass their boosts, or getting Haze around to Pokemon that could actually use it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:17:50 No.20034228 Report

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>>20034125
See OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:19:52 No.20034256 Report

Quoted By: >>20034291 >>20034325 >>20036149

Spiritomb completly counters that Espeon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:21:46 No.20034291 Report

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>>20034256
Go ahead and use it in OU then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 20:24:41 No.20034325 Report

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>>20034256
this is one of the reasons Clefable is on that team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:10:43 No.20036149 Report

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>>20034256
It could run Dazzling gleam. Entire point is that it has something so it's not walled by Dark types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:16:51 No.20036287 Report

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>>20034117
ok that sounds great

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:23:02 No.20036420 Report

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I just love their flop attempts against baton pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:23:56 No.20036434 Report

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What's the build on baton pass scolipede?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:27:44 No.20036514 Report

Quoted By: >>20036538 >>20036553

So just ban speed boost and call it a day?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:28:36 No.20036528 Report

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>>20033682
Smogon has a hard time identifying broken support mons.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:29:20 No.20036538 Report

Quoted By: >>20036617

>>20036514
yes because we know how OP yanmega is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:29:49 No.20036546 Report

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It isn't just Scolipede. Scolipede is ust the EZ modo. StinkkiShark was #1 last gen as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:30:21 No.20036553 Report

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>>20036514
I agree.
Ninjaskis OP as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:33:27 No.20036617 Report

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>>20036538
>Not running tinted lens yan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:37:22 No.20036703 Report

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>>20033704
Anything with Haze gets rekt by Stored Power
Whirlwind/Roar is rekt by Espeon
Clear Smog is useless against Sub

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:38:26 No.20036727 Report

Quoted By: >>20036738

>>20034227
We need +1 Priority Haze, and Clear Smog passing Subs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:38:55 No.20036738 Report

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>>20036727
Murkrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:48:16 No.20036892 Report

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Can a baton pass team like this be viable for 3v3 battle spot singles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:50:02 No.20036908 Report

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Why not just make Speed Boost + Baton Pass an illegal moveset or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:51:05 No.20036929 Report

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I remember when BP teams weren't banned yet. I ran into one in OU, and my Weezing used Haze after his team had fully set up. Not much an ingrained Vaporeon can do. He promptly quit.

g i t g u d

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:51:16 No.20036933 Report

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>>20028489
What would that guy do if he ran into Talonflame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:52:07 No.20036946 Report

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>>20028489
instead of trying to nerf Baton Pass,

how about banning Protect on Speed Boost pokemon...in Singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:53:56 No.20036979 Report

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>>20033704
>not using topsy turvy on the turn that they baton pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:55:09 No.20037006 Report

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>>20033704
Haze is poorly distributed
Clear smog doesn't work against subs
Whirlwind doesn't work against Magic Bounce

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 22:56:49 No.20037045 Report

Quoted By: >>20037269

A while ago I used to go on Showdown and use a scolipede and m-medicham for my team and that was it.

People were like lol easy rank points and battled me. Half of em rage quit once I got to sweeping and the other half cursed me out at the end of matches.

Do people actually want to ban baton pass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:08:40 No.20037269 Report

Quoted By: >>20037805

>>20037045
They've already nerfed it twice, the retards at smogon don't realize that BP isn't the problem, it's Scolipede.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:35:57 No.20037709 Report

Quoted By: >>20037737 >>20037810

Denisss already has a new BP team and he doesn't even use Scolipede.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:38:02 No.20037737 Report

Quoted By: >>20037794

>>20037709
Please tell me he's scalping all these hos with his new team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:40:55 No.20037794 Report

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>>20037737
No. He dropped like 200 ELO in a few hours, I was following him. It's ridiculously match-up dependent and hinges on Smeargle surviving for more than a couple turns to use Power Herb Geomancy and Cotton Guard and then pass to Espeon. He uses dual screens as well as Tailwind and Memento to do this, and honestly if you give that much support to a lot of things they're going to do heavy damage to another team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:41:57 No.20037805 Report

Quoted By: >>20037816

>>20037269
I remember the limit to 3 mons, what was the other nerf?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:42:14 No.20037810 Report

Quoted By: >>20037881

>>20037709
How long until Denis is banned for being too good at pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:42:40 No.20037816 Report

Quoted By: >>20037844

>>20037805
Changed the limit to one mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:44:09 No.20037844 Report

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>>20037816
holy shit git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jul 2014 23:46:57 No.20037881 Report

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>>20037810
>#1 on showdown and pokemon online over 2 gens
>niggas hatin so hard they ban everything you use
>claim BP is broken and EZ WINS but only like one other person has gotten #1 with his teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 00:07:44 No.20038176 Report

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>>20034067
I wouldn't be surprised if they just suspected dennisss at this rate

he is the hero that OU needs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 01:03:55 No.20038943 Report

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>>20028489
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-141402284
>this scrub has a 1700 rating in under 40 battles
>#1 guy for two generations
>scrub
God bless Dennis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 01:05:29 No.20038970 Report

Quoted By: >>20038990

so are they going to keep nerfing BP until no one uses it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 01:07:03 No.20038990 Report

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>>20038970
They've nerfed it about as much as they can without banning individual pokemon. Dennisss just cant be stopped.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 01:07:29 No.20038994 Report

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>Magic bounce Xatu with Haze

Counter espeon baton pass found.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 01:13:45 No.20039090 Report

Quoted By: >>20044710

Denisss just sees the game as it is and makes ruthlessly efficient teams. Most smogonfags and Karenfags see the game as what they wish it to be and build teams based on an ideology- and then try to change the rules to support their views. Which is why Denisss will always beat them. When confronted with the truth that baton pass is the GOAT playstyle, Denisss builds a baton pass team. When Smogonfags see Baton Pass as the best playstyle, they don't run Baton Pass or even Anti-Baton Pass teams. They build teams based on their dated playstyles and declare every other playstyle cheap. When Denisss sees a mountain, he climbs to the top. When Smogon sees a mountain, they declare the base camp the real peak and everyone attempting the summit a bunch of cheats and tryhards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 08:15:55 No.20043606 Report

Quoted By: >>20044311

>>20028489
>trying to stone edge a +2 espeon when keldeo is dead and he has a bisharp at 100% right fucking there

the only one with a decent ranking was still retarded and deserved to get swept

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 10:41:28 No.20044311 Report

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>>20043606
it would've died with HP Fighting, switch or not, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 11:55:46 No.20044710 Report

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>>20039090
Man, have you seen that RMT that Denisss did for his first BP team? It's a work of art. The amount of thought that went into it is crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jul 2014 12:55:58 No.20045116 Report

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>>20033704
Also unaware, red card, punishment. The same ways are used to stop evasion abusers. But smogays are smogays.

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