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Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:11:21 No.20107159 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20107177 >>20107191 >>20107476 >>20107648 >>20116116

offensive fairies: the game: the experience: the novel: episode 2

>fairies won't be good guys, j-just wait and see
have you accepted your overlords yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:12:43 No.20107177 Report

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>>20107159
I accepted them the moment I found out Mawile was one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:13:42 No.20107191 Report

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>>20107159
Who would have thought that a Steel/Fairy with 260 attack and a Water/Fairy with Belly Drum and priority would be good? Also

>Diance being good offensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:19:59 No.20107246 Report

Quoted By: >>20107259 >>20107396 >>20114121 >>20114739 >>20116382

>tfw mawile went from NU shitmon to one of the biggest threats in OU

But Mawile+Azu are pretty much the only good fairies right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:21:14 No.20107259 Report

Quoted By: >>20107437 >>20107838 >>20116382

>>20107246
Sylveon and Gardevoir are also very good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:33:31 No.20107396 Report

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>>20107246
Sylveon is great, only cleric in the game that isn't a total sitting duck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:37:08 No.20107437 Report

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>>20107259
I know for a fact that the people up in arms about banning Aegislash right now will be crying about Mega Gardevoir being overpowered if Aegislash goes. Calling it very good on the suspect ladder is an understatement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:39:09 No.20107464 Report

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>not adding electric boogaloo

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Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:40:07 No.20107476 Report

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>>20107159
>have you accepted your overlords yet?
EQ and Iron Head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:46:54 No.20107569 Report

Quoted By: >>20114809

>A broken type makes Pokemon good
What a shock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:50:11 No.20107614 Report

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Yaass. Tbh it quickly became my favorite type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:53:03 No.20107648 Report

Quoted By: >>20107708

>>20107159
Why do people always forget Togekiss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:56:30 No.20107693 Report

Quoted By: >>20107741 >>20107755

Mega Diancie is gonna have insane stats.
Even if they take off just 20 from its defenses, the boost to the others will skyrocket.
At. +20 +30
Def -20
Sp. At. +20 +30
Sp. Def -20
Spe +60

Problem is, it has no good nature to go with those and its typing without dying to a sneeze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:57:12 No.20107700 Report

Quoted By: >>20114805

>>20107476

>Iron Head
Water resists Steel.
It'll be neutral at best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 17:57:45 No.20107708 Report

Quoted By: >>20107761 >>20112394

>>20107648
it isn't that good, it should be UU by now really

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 18:01:13 No.20107741 Report

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>>20107693
50/120/120 bulk is decent.
but that proposed 130/130/110 offenses is looking sexy.
I think GF is orientating it to be more offensive, but it could run a defensive set with Moonblast and Diamond Storm, both with the ability to help it take it hits from both ends of the attacking spectrum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 18:02:47 No.20107755 Report

Quoted By: >>20107763

>>20107693
Just watch it be 50/150/100/150/100/150

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 18:03:53 No.20107761 Report

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>>20107708
I will mourn the day that Togekiss goes back to UU. The hax will be real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 18:04:04 No.20107763 Report

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>>20107755
>horrifying.jpeg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 18:10:18 No.20107838 Report

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>>20107259
>>20107396
>tfw I forgot about both of them

If Aegislash goes, I wonder how bad OU is going to get with Gardevoir, considering it shits up stall completely alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 18:12:55 No.20107868 Report

Quoted By: >>20114131 >>20114159 >>20114762

>>20107838
Scizor shall rise from the rubble and take over OU like its Gen 5 all over again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 23:23:41 No.20112394 Report

Quoted By: >>20112552

>>20107761
>>20107708
What if ORAS gives it Moonblast? OU staple?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Jul 2014 23:39:13 No.20112552 Report

Quoted By: >>20116824

>>20112394
I would support anything that would sway people away from flinchhax movesets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 01:39:20 No.20114121 Report

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>>20107246
I dont have an image to express the joy of my pokesis going from rags to riches

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 01:40:22 No.20114131 Report

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>>20107868
All according to Smogon keikaku.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 01:42:47 No.20114158 Report

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If you're REALLY that worried about Fairies, run Bullet Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 01:42:49 No.20114159 Report

Quoted By: >>20114213

>>20107868
Has Scizor fallen? Pretty sure it's still very much OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 01:43:08 No.20114166 Report

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>>20114131
Not really. Victory road is pretty adamant about not banning Aegislash for this reason among others. No one wants to see hyper offense get buffed again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 01:46:36 No.20114213 Report

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>>20114159
Scizor is still one of the top OU mons, but what they mean is that it would replace Aegislash as the last bastion of bulky offense, the one thing that will keep things like Gardevoir, Megacham, and Megacross from ruling the tier and throwing stall in the shitter. Right now all of these mons need to run something for Aegislash which means they can't cover the entire tier, but with Aegislash gone they'll be able to run a more dangerous coverage move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:22:00 No.20114739 Report

Quoted By: >>20114774 >>20114787

>>20107246
>NU shitmon
It was an extremely solid UU mon last gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:23:04 No.20114762 Report

Quoted By: >>20114787

>>20107868
Heatran is the better fairy killer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:23:44 No.20114774 Report

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>>20114739
Mawile you shit, not Azumarill

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:24:33 No.20114787 Report

Quoted By: >>20114826

>>20114739
Mawile, not Azu.
Learn to read. Even though I agree with your point

>>20114762
Go, Heatran! The foe's Mawile is tightening it's focus! Mawile used Focus Punch! It's super effective!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:25:31 No.20114805 Report

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>>20107700
I'm pretty sure he meant that for Diancie

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:25:52 No.20114809 Report

Quoted By: >>20114882

>>20107569
>Fairy
>Broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:27:28 No.20114826 Report

Quoted By: >>20114877

>>20114787
>Go, Scizor! Mawile used Fire Fang!

I cant shitpost too!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:31:21 No.20114877 Report

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>>20114826
I was just speaking from experience. I wasn't even the anon you were replying to. I don't run Scizor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 02:31:42 No.20114882 Report

Quoted By: >>20116034

>>20114809
>SE against the best offensive types
>two weaknesses are crap offensively
>immune to Dragon
>not broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 03:52:32 No.20116034 Report

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>>20114882
>Not having offensive steel pokes

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 03:56:14 No.20116096 Report

Quoted By: >>20116626 >>20119530

>>20107476
Hey guys! Pokemon have weaknesses! Who would have thought!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 03:57:18 No.20116116 Report

Quoted By: >>20116158

>>20107159
>offensive fairies
with offensive designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:00:08 No.20116158 Report

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>>20116116
Just because Sylveon's 2qt4u doesn't mean it has a bad design

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:18:43 No.20116382 Report

Quoted By: >>20116427

>>20107246
>>20107259
>>20107396
> mfw nobody mentions Clefable when talking about "the good fairies"
Whats with /vp/'s knowledge of competitive these days? You mention the only good users of this type are 2 physical nukes, a special wall with an offensive STAB presence, and a wallbreaker. But not a pokemon that does support, can wall stuff in both sides, and can go hard hitting offensive all effectively? For shame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:20:17 No.20116400 Report

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I wish people gave Mega Manectric a chance. It absolutely wrecks Azumarill with Volt Switch, Mawile with Overheat and Intimidates them. Surprisingly Mawile itself is a good counter to Azumarill. But I'm guessing if someone wanted to run an anti-Fairy team that's not an option. Maybe Toxicroak will see an increased use to stop Azu, seeing as Gunk shot hits really hard:
252+ Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 585-689 (144.8 - 170.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:22:49 No.20116427 Report

Quoted By: >>20117073

>>20116382
Same thing for Unaware Clefable, it's just that Toxicroak is rarely used, and if any it usually has Aegislash as a teammate.

252+ Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 429-507 (108.8 - 128.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:33:33 No.20116559 Report

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>no don't ban Aegislash guys :(
>muh stall team can't handle Mega Garde. I didn't even use Aegislash but it'll be a really common threat with it gone and I don't want to prepare for it :(
>I can't handle Fae Scream of Death :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:38:06 No.20116607 Report

Quoted By: >>20116674 >>20116676 >>20116698 >>20116708

So what is a good viable counter for Azumarill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:40:05 No.20116626 Report

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>>20116096
Hey g-guys, this type is good, so it m-must be god...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:46:00 No.20116674 Report

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>>20116607
tentacruel, mega plant

Those are only sort of counters as nothing does well against a +6 aqua jet. If its choiced then azu is much easier to work around. Otherwise, YOU'RE FUCKED

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:46:00 No.20116676 Report

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>>20116607
Mega Mawile, surprisingly. Also consider this :

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 288-340 (71.2 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 334-394 (82.6 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 585-689 (144.8 - 170.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill: 372-438 (92 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:47:28 No.20116698 Report

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>>20116607
Amoonguss
Mega Venusaur
Ferrothorn can check but loses to banded Superpower

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:48:25 No.20116708 Report

Quoted By: >>20116712 >>20117002

>>20116607
Actually a perfect counter would be shedinja. We should ban him from OU next, too broken, amirite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 04:48:51 No.20116712 Report

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>>20116708
sneaky pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:00:06 No.20116824 Report

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>>20112552
I tend to run Modest Scarfed on my Kiss. Getting Moonblast would fuck over Manetric before Mega evolving :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:17:43 No.20117002 Report

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>>20116708
no but its ability would if it was given to a pokemon with more hp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:25:51 No.20117073 Report

Quoted By: >>20117119 >>20117161 >>20117207

>>20116427
> Gunk Miss
>Implying people use Clefable only for Unaware
> Implying Toxicroak would not loose to a MG set with LO+CP+SP after pebbles

>252+ Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Gunk Shot vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 283-338 (71.8 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Life Orb Clefable Stored Power (60 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxicroak: 307-364 (82.9 - 98.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:30:37 No.20117119 Report

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>>20117073
Forgot the arrow on the last calc. I guess this is what happens if you type tired with a mobile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:34:28 No.20117161 Report

Quoted By: >>20117249

>>20117073
Why is there a +1 on Clefable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:38:51 No.20117207 Report

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>>20117073
Same accuracy as Stone edge really. Croak also outspeeds fable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:42:40 No.20117249 Report

Quoted By: >>20117277

>>20117161
Cosmic Power boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 05:45:17 No.20117277 Report

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>>20117249
Ya figured it out after my post. Still kinda surprised Cosmic Power isn't frequent on most Clefable sets I ran into. People really like their Calm Mind.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 06:37:52 No.20117780 Report

Quoted By: >>20118103 >>20119507

Mega-Diancie's stats will be

50/150/125/150/125/100

Cap this, you won't regret it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 06:45:22 No.20117864 Report

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Guys I broke 4chan >>>/a/110763463

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 07:03:50 No.20118017 Report

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Mawile such a beast Smogon is gonna suspect it and a lot of these people want it banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 07:13:33 No.20118103 Report

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>>20117780
probably a little more speed so it can outspeed the base 100 tier, but i agree with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 11:54:18 No.20119507 Report

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>>20117780
> Base 100 speed
I fucking hate it when they do this. 100 is not a great speed tier. Not only your outsped by Landshark, its such competitive tier that makes a majority of your turns coin flips. M-Diancie better get 110 speed or more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 12:01:57 No.20119530 Report

Quoted By: >>20122671

>>20116096
tell that to people who think ice types auto-suck because they're ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jul 2014 16:53:29 No.20122671 Report

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>>20119530
assuming 150 offenses and 120 defenses and at least 103 speed

252 SpA Diancie Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 396-468 (110.6 - 130.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Garchomp Iron Head vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie: 204-240 (84.6 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

the +1 is asuming you got a prior boost from diamond storm which isn't crazy to think

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