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just listing "bad" mons that have been on worlds finalist teams

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:08:23 No.20170974 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20171000 >>20171007 >>20171111 >>20171267 >>20171348 >>20178794 >>20188909

moltres, snorlax, bronzong, toxicroak, yanmega, exeguttor, gothitelle, escavalier. empoleon, rhyperior, shedinja, hariyama

these are only from the highest applicable age divisions of that year (seniors in 2010 and before, masters after.) I'm not even listing winning nationals/regionals teams, we'd be here all day

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Usteen 2036-7630-5976 Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:10:18 No.20170994 Report

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That Karen.

My dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:10:32 No.20170996 Report

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now let me clarify a few things:

1. all of these pokemon have a good reason for being on the team, despite being odd metagame

2. they had a good supporting team of more standard metagame calls

3. most of them are from earlier VGC like 08-09, however gothitelle/esca/exeggutor are from 2011-2012

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:10:46 No.20171000 Report

Quoted By: >>20171029

>>20170974
Who ever said that snorlax, yanmega, empoleon, escavlier, and toxicroak were bad?? Every single one excluding escavlier was UU and above last gen, ans escavlier is UU this gen.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:11:02 No.20171007 Report

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>>20170974
World class players have used unconventional mons to some success. Your point being?

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:11:27 No.20171012 Report

Quoted By: >>20171043 >>20171058

>>20170994

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:13:05 No.20171029 Report

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>>20171000
>>20171007
for VGC these are all pretty terrible pokemon, and very strange metagame calls. its not just world class players either, people have been winning regionals/nats with very strange tech this season

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:13:18 No.20171033 Report

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4v4 doubles is a different metagame than 6v6 singles

more news at 11

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:13:56 No.20171043 Report

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>>20171012
why is she sweating blood

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:14:39 No.20171058 Report

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>>20171012
Why did she put jelly all over herself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:15:21 No.20171067 Report

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>>20171033
until you realize its still a lesson singles players could take notes from, because these mons are all pretty bad in VGC. tourneyfags on smogon use strange pokemon as well, their usage stats look very different from standard OU stats, my point is that using different pokemon can very well net you wins

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:16:01 No.20171078 Report

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>>20171058

someone told her "you jelly?" and she took it as a challenge

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:16:42 No.20171082 Report

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>>20171078
shuckled

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:18:44 No.20171111 Report

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>>20170974
>comparing VGC to OU Singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:20:04 No.20171131 Report

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>>20171111
when the fuck did I say that? all of these pokemon are bad even by VGC standards, I doubt any of them bar maaaaaybe bronzong broke 5 percent usage for the year they were in

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:20:45 No.20171138 Report

Quoted By: >>20171189 >>20171268

>>20171029
Yes, I am aware they aren't the most objectively 'optimal' pokemon, but that is why they were used, for the element of surprise, if your opponent doesn't know what your pokemon can do in the meta then they will be thrown off as to what to do, a bit part of their role is psychological.
Take Ray's Wigglytuff this season for example, previously people had overlooked it because of its sub-par stats and movepool, but then Ray shoved an Assault Vest on it and got a Competitive one due to the abundance of Intimidates being thrown around. It was basically Bisharp which is easy enough to work around since a lot of people know what it does but people not knowing what Wigglytuff could do would end up activating its ability and being caught off guard, and this even shifted the whole meta to become less physical and mroe special (no it wasn't the only factor, but it was one factor).

That is what these unconventional mons are all about. I still don't see why you felt the need to make a thread pointing this out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:23:26 No.20171189 Report

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>>20171138
>Take Ray's Wigglytuff
that was an awful metagame call for America though, he used it because Korean players had success with it. he lost 2/3 games he brought it to, kind of a bad example. as far as my point, its just that using pokemon perceived as "bad" for a good reason will probably win you games. I see so many people on the VGC ladder using the same shit, its misguided.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:23:44 No.20171193 Report

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>>20171043
She's dying from an overdose of dick.
No wait, that's OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:25:26 No.20171217 Report

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>>20171189
Yes, it was a bad call for that tournament, but it brought it to everyone's attention.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:26:37 No.20171232 Report

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>snorlax, bronzong, toxicroak, yanmega, escavalier, empoleon

Neither of those are bad though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:27:20 No.20171242 Report

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>>20171189
The best part of Ray's Wigglytuff was all the people trying to use it on Showdown for like a month after.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:29:57 No.20171267 Report

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>>20170974
my dick is reggi

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:30:10 No.20171268 Report

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>>20171138
The current metagame is more physical than pretty much any previous ones.

Especially with mega milf running wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:36:44 No.20171348 Report

Quoted By: >>20171384 >>20171390

>>20170974
>Moltres
Decent in doubles since SR isn't a thing. Has Tailwind.
>Snorlax
Pretty great actually.
>Bronzong
A very good physical wall.
>Toxicroak
It was OU during weather wars. No one thinks Toxicroak is bad.
>Yanmega
bretty gud
>Exeggutor
Great on sun teams.
>Gothitelle
shadowtag.exe
>Escavalier
A crazy good mon on Trick Room.
>Empoleon
No one thinks Empoleon is a shitmon.
>Rhyperior
An incredible physical wall.
>Shedinja
gimmicks are fun
>Hariyama
Anyone that thinks Hariyama is bad doesn't play lower tiers.

Pretty great Karen thread. Too bad you listed mons that are the top of their tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:39:25 No.20171384 Report

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>>20171348
>Pretty great Karen thread. Too bad you listed mons that are the top of their tiers.
they're all bad in VGC though, like I said none of them broke probably 5 percent usage in their respective years, I'm not talking about singles. how does it feel to be a retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:39:39 No.20171390 Report

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>>20171348
Hariyama really isn't at the top of its tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:44:37 No.20171449 Report

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>>20171384
These threads are almost always trying to rile up singles players in some way, so I assumed that's what was going on. And no one gives a fuck about VGC usage anyway since it's a tournament format that's centralized while also having a small sample size. Good VGC players will always try to throw off their opponent, which niche strategies and uncommon mons helps to do.

So would you please tell me what it feels like being a retard. I'm sure you're more qualified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:46:56 No.20171466 Report

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>>20171449
>These threads are almost always trying to rile up singles players in some way, so I assumed that's what was going on.
hurr durr I assume things that aren't stated because I'm a moron
>And no one gives a fuck about VGC usage anyway since it's a tournament format that's centralized while also having a small sample size.
every competitive esport is 'centralized', and its not a small sample size, hundreds of people play at these tournaments
>Good VGC players will always try to throw off their opponent, which niche strategies and uncommon mons helps to do.
exactly my point. now fuck off retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:49:47 No.20171493 Report

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>>20171390
Neither are Shedinja, Bronzong, or Snorlax. The majority of the mons he listed were recently (as long as VGC has been around I mean) extremely good in their tiers, or still are. Hariyama is also a great niche counter to certain things, and is very good in NU.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 21:58:47 No.20171589 Report

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>>20171466
You seem a little angry.

/vp/ is a place where anything can dissolve into smogon bashing. You're saying "look at these things you call shitmons, they're great. bow down before my revelation" which is something that the anti-smogonjerk usually latches onto.

Centralization is not a bad thing and I wasn't saying it was. It's an aspect of any metagame that good players can exploit to surprise the opponent with something they've never fought before. Also, hundreds of people is a very small sample size. There are currently 10553 players on Showdown right this minute, and even split up between every single metagame (which is unrealistic because some are extremely popular while others aren't), that leaves siginificantly more than a couple hundred in every tier right now. And VGC tournaments happen somewhat rarely. I'm not blindly hating on it, it's a fact that the sample size is small.

See my earlier point about exploiting the common mons with unexpected strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 22:02:02 No.20171631 Report

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>>20171268
More of the top 12 mons in the statistics are special than physical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2014 22:02:41 No.20171639 Report

Quoted By: >>20173789

Can this become a Karen thread? Please?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 00:49:23 No.20173707 Report

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I for one think there should be a rule against keeping notes during the battle in officially sanctioned matches

if you can't keep track of move count and patterns in your head you shouldn't be at that level
true autists only pls

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 00:54:31 No.20173789 Report

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>>20171639
Might as well, although she doesn't appear to have much art for us to work with

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:05:25 No.20173942 Report

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If they were bad Pokemon they wouldn't have been used on finalists teams. They were picked because they were a good choice in that format. Players weren't using them because of "muh bros" or whatever, they were literally just choosing the best mon for the job.

Plus those "bad" Pokemon you picked are not even terrible. Moltres is a strong special attacker with 2 good STABs, although now it's really just the poor man's CharY. Snorlax was king of Gen2 OU. Toxicroak was OU last gen thanks to rain and Bronzong was fucking everywhere gen4. Escavalier and Rhyperior have always been decently common in Doubles. Gothitelle has been good since Shadow Tag was released, and was used by the top ranked player in OU. Shedinja is a common sight in Ubers given that it can outright wall a bunch of legendary shit.

The fact that you spout off these things without realizing that those were different formats with different restrictions on Pokemon (case in point, Musharna was everywhere early Gen-5 but disappeared once Cress came back) just shows how little you know. These are Pokemon picked for how well they can fit on a team, this is the complete opposite of Karen.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:07:11 No.20173967 Report

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>>20171131
>usage is a direct measure of power

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:10:00 No.20174002 Report

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>>20171466
>its not a small sample size, hundreds of people play at these tournaments

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:29:51 No.20174262 Report

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>>20174002
>pic
You didn't watch nationals, did you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:31:40 No.20174300 Report

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Yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:34:17 No.20174336 Report

Quoted By: >>20174480

I can't believe I'm the first one to ask this

[citation needed]

In which teams were they used? What's the full team?
In which VGC that team was used?
In which tourney? World, Regional, National, etc?
Which place did those teams took?

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:34:31 No.20174339 Report

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>>20174262
Oh yeah, there were so many thousands of people playing with new teams constantly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 01:43:11 No.20174480 Report

Quoted By: >>20178496

I wish I had an Aegislash in a Dream Ball.

>>20174336
I know there is one website that answers three of your questions, but not even I know how to find it by searching on Google.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 08:19:27 No.20178496 Report

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>>20174480
Nugget Bridge

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 08:28:35 No.20178544 Report

Quoted By: >>20178838

VGC =/= Singles
Plus even now there are a lot of awesome variants, they are just a bit obscure, for example Japan has a fucking bulky Garchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 09:11:03 No.20178794 Report

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>>20170974
>Implying any of those mons are bad

git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 09:20:42 No.20178838 Report

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>>20178544
Bulkchomp gas worked wonders for me on the WiFi tourneys

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 09:53:42 No.20179034 Report

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>>20173789
not karen, is a cloyster gjinka

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 12:43:42 No.20179905 Report

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Op has to be a retard to think rhyperior, bronzong (2 of the best trick room sweepers), moltres (one of the best supports that actually hits hard) and snorlax (bulky and kills stuff) are bad in vgc. I do get the point of your thread and all, you are just an idiot though because all of those are used because they fulfill a certain niche, not because they are creative or anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 16:55:43 No.20182236 Report

Quoted By: >>20186585

>moltres
>bad
>strongest hurricane in a meta where rain is still highly viable (though admittedly much rarer now due to yzard's current popularity)
>fire blast ohkos huge threats like scizor and ferrothorn even in rain
>one of the few mons to get heat wave without tutors
>safeguard & will-o-wisp for support (and tailwind when or/as comes round)
>pressure to fuck up mons reliant on 8pp moves
>only major weaknesses in vgc's closed meta are rock sliders and rotom-w/h, all very predictable

if i hadn't chosen fennekin on my cart i'd be soft resetting for a good moltres right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2014 17:09:36 No.20182404 Report

Quoted By: >>20186597

i watched senior and it was a lot more interesting than master. those master faggots had built their team around mega kanga. Mackenzie had a great team and i cheered for her

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Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2014 00:11:42 No.20186585 Report

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>>20182236

>Char-Y
>popular

Charizard Y has been on a steady decline since January.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2014 00:12:48 No.20186597 Report

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>>20182404

>playing with good Pokemon is gay

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