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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:07:20 No.20211542 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20211569 >>20211605 >>20211708 >>20213289

ITT: Remove 1 move from any Pokemon's moveset to make them drop down at least 1 tier.

I'll start: Brave bird

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:10:02 No.20211564 Report

Quoted By: >>20211608 >>20211957 >>20213289

Protect

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:10:29 No.20211568 Report

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Dark Void

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:10:35 No.20211569 Report

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>>20211542
Still be OU but we'd see more Acrobatics sets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:10:45 No.20211572 Report

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Recover on Sableye and Porygon2

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:10:49 No.20211574 Report

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Recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:12:00 No.20211585 Report

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>>20211572
>>20211574
Recovermind

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:12:12 No.20211589 Report

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>>20211569
Well, with flying gem unreleased, it would mostly have to carry no item which would be quite the blow to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:12:21 No.20211591 Report

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remove shell smash from cloyster

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:12:32 No.20211596 Report

Quoted By: >>20211603 >>20213289

Substitute

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:13:25 No.20211602 Report

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Hippowdon - Slack Off
Aegislash - King's Shield
Smeargle - Sketch
Vivillon - Hurricane
Mawile - Play Rough
Audino - Wish

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:13:38 No.20211603 Report

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>>20211596
Gliscor was OU even before the Sub+Protect set became the most used.

It's very versatile and can run multiple sets even now, but it has that one that outshines the rest.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:13:47 No.20211605 Report

Quoted By: >>20211610

>>20211542
Rapid Spin

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:13:59 No.20211608 Report

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>>20211564
Assuming this is supposed to be King Shield

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:14:10 No.20211610 Report

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>>20211605
good bait

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:15:05 No.20211620 Report

Quoted By: >>20211642 >>20212618

>>20211603
It would still take a blow to stall tactics.

Baton pass

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:15:09 No.20211621 Report

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Roost

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:16:36 No.20211637 Report

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Belly Drum

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:17:30 No.20211642 Report

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>>20211620
Agreed, and frankly it would be well-deserved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:17:58 No.20211646 Report

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>>20211637
>that 3 tier drop

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:18:08 No.20211648 Report

Quoted By: >>20211680

Sucker Punch

>>20211637
Remove Play Rough, and it completely loses out on Fairy STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:18:09 No.20211649 Report

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>>20211637
Band and lefties azumarill is still good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:18:11 No.20211650 Report

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>>20211637
Anyone that has belly drum on there azumarill is a massive fag anyway.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:20:57 No.20211680 Report

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>>20211648
Also Sucker Punch.

Removing Focus Punch would also sting but M-Mawile really depends on Sucker Punch.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:21:23 No.20211687 Report

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bullet punch

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:22:49 No.20211702 Report

Quoted By: >>20211714 >>20213289

Air Slash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:23:14 No.20211708 Report

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>>20211542

only reason people use brave bird is because flying gem isn't out.

Bulk Bird benefits more from Acrobatics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:23:59 No.20211714 Report

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>>20211702
I can remove three moves to make it NU trash:

>Thunder Wave
>Aura Sphere
>Roost

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:24:05 No.20211715 Report

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Solarbeam

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:24:11 No.20211716 Report

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U Turn

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:25:28 No.20211732 Report

Quoted By: >>20211890 >>20211911

Dragon Dance

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:40:36 No.20211887 Report

Quoted By: >>20212629

Hyper Voice. Not only it's ability would be completely wasted, it also screws over it's stall-breaking capabilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:41:05 No.20211890 Report

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>>20211732
>>20211715
ur mum sukd ma deek lass nite beotch

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:43:12 No.20211911 Report

Quoted By: >>20212060 >>20213289

>>20211732
same

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:45:38 No.20211946 Report

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Recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:46:27 No.20211957 Report

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>>20211564
are you retarded or what

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:47:42 No.20211975 Report

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Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:47:47 No.20211977 Report

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Volcarona
Quiver Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:48:22 No.20211982 Report

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>>20211714
>I can remove three moves to make it NU trash

That's so impressive. You can only do that with like 70% of OU

le Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:49:21 No.20211995 Report

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>>20211982
The other 30% you just need to remove one move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:50:03 No.20212005 Report

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>>20211680
This. M-Maw is a god damn machine once set up, but that Sucker Punch sweeps alone, especially behind a sub

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:50:22 No.20212008 Report

Quoted By: >>20213289

Morning Sun

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:50:26 No.20212009 Report

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Ice Shard ;_;

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:51:27 No.20212024 Report

Quoted By: >>20212041

Horn Leech

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:53:05 No.20212041 Report

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>>20212024
Err...Leech Seed/Shadow Claw with Harvest enough anyway.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:53:49 No.20212047 Report

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Drain Punch

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:53:58 No.20212051 Report

Quoted By: >>20212121

Excadril - Iron Head
Wash - Willowisp/volt switch
Ferrothorn - gyroball
Ttar- pursuit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:54:41 No.20212060 Report

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>>20211911
Naw son

421arrested

421arrested Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:55:24 No.20212069 Report

Quoted By: >>20212080 >>20212092 >>20212503 >>20212649 >>20213566 >>20214512

Breloom - Spore
Dragonite - Extremespeed
Scizor - Bullet Punch
Cloyster - Shell Smash
Suicune - Scald
Shuckle - Sticky Web
Amoonguss - Spore
Galvantula - Sticky Web
Venomoth - Quiver Dance
Manaphy - Tail Glow
Gliscor - Protect

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:56:25 No.20212080 Report

Quoted By: >>20214704

>>20212069
>Gliscor - Protect

This should happen. Fuck glisgor.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:57:20 No.20212091 Report

Quoted By: >>20213257 >>20214645

Power-Up Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:57:26 No.20212092 Report

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>>20212069
I disagree with Manaphy and Gliscor.
Calm Mind Manaphy is good. Protect isn't necessary. It just makes Gliscor a bigger annoyance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:58:59 No.20212103 Report

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Gengar

Shadowball

He is now crippled entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:00:43 No.20212121 Report

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>>20212051
T-tar would miss it, but it still has plenty of viable sets without pursuit. D-dance/SR sets generally choose between it and crunch because otherwise they have gaping coverage issues.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:31:22 No.20212503 Report

Quoted By: >>20213221

>>20212069
M-Scizor can easily use Iron Head over Bullet Punch. I though that was the standard for the bulky SD-Roost set

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:36:57 No.20212556 Report

Quoted By: >>20212570 >>20213599

>>20211650

I run BD Azumarill as my win condition aganst Stall teams that just don't want to lose after 40 turns. It's hilarious when they switch in their Amoonguss on the Belly Drum only for Azumarill to outspeed and OHKO with the resisted Play Rough.

+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Amoonguss: 478-563 (110.6 - 130.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:38:39 No.20212570 Report

Quoted By: >>20212588

>>20212556
>0 def

why would you do this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:41:04 No.20212588 Report

Quoted By: >>20212638

>>20212570

Are you serious? It's standard, Amoonguss is used as a special wall on Stall teams. Usually paired with a physically-defensive Chansey or some shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:43:35 No.20212618 Report

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>>20211620
Eh....It still functions as a physical sweeper thanks to Speed Boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:44:52 No.20212629 Report

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>>20211887
It still has Echoed Voice. Which works not as much as Hyper Voice but gets the job done somewhat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:45:35 No.20212638 Report

Quoted By: >>20212671

>>20212588
every set i've ever seen has def evs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:46:40 No.20212649 Report

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>>20212069
Breloom wouldn't miss Spore thanks to other moves at his disposal, Dragonite is already powerful even without Extreme Speed, and I have nothing to say about Scizor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:46:49 No.20212650 Report

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>>20211982
82%*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:48:34 No.20212671 Report

Quoted By: >>20212691

>>20212638

It just seems like you'd be leaving yourself vulnerable to special Fire and Ice moves just to check one set of one pokemon that easily gets walled by Quagsire, another stall staple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:50:02 No.20212691 Report

Quoted By: >>20213066

>>20212671
you can have def and special def evs you moron

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 21:58:35 No.20212816 Report

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Dragon Dance

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 22:15:47 No.20213066 Report

Quoted By: >>20213664 >>20214777 >>20215834

>>20212691

You're clearly mad. You're also clearly terrible at the game, you never split defensive EVs into Def and SpD, it's HP and then one or the other. Get good homo.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 22:26:00 No.20213197 Report

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Dark Void

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 22:28:02 No.20213221 Report

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>>20212503
no because of Technician boosts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 22:31:01 No.20213257 Report

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>>20212091
Would still wreck shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 22:32:55 No.20213289 Report

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>>20211542
>>20211564
>>20211568
>>20211596
>>20211637
>>20211702
>>20211715
>>20211716
>>20211911
>>20211975
>>20212008
wrong

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 22:52:44 No.20213566 Report

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>>20212069
everything but the last two

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 22:56:38 No.20213599 Report

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>>20212556
I love drinking Azumarillfag tears when I encore them with Whimsicott.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2014 23:01:19 No.20213664 Report

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>>20213066
but smogon tells me to never split evs its always 252/252/4 on everything always. i run an amoonguss and it has split def EVs and it takes super effective special hits just fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 00:04:16 No.20214512 Report

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>>20212069
>Breloom - Spore
Spore is already shit these days, if they have a grass type you'll already ruin your turn. Rock Tomb or Sword Dance on the switch is the way to go now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 00:14:24 No.20214645 Report

Quoted By: >>20214764

>>20212091
Don't most megamum sets in upper ubers not even use power up punch?

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 00:18:52 No.20214704 Report

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>>20212080
Seconded

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 00:21:58 No.20214764 Report

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>>20214645
Just over half of them do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 00:23:20 No.20214777 Report

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>>20213066
>What is VGC

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 01:25:48 No.20215603 Report

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>>20213289

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 01:30:39 No.20215650 Report

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word.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 01:33:50 No.20215704 Report

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>>20214777
Irrelevant

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 01:43:39 No.20215834 Report

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>>20213066
>don't prepare for the worst

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2014 15:23:20 No.20221598 Report

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Sketch

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