>>20259415of course the baton pass argument is stupid, but mamoswine is nowhere near bad, i personally think it's great. has a great offensive typing, great attack, good enough bulk, average speed, good abilities, can set up rocks if you're into that, some powerful moves, but has 3 common weaknesses and 2 not so common. Can OHKO MCX, the best dragon that's not weak to ice, given some not so crazy conditions
weavile has good attack and great speed, mediocre bulk, great offensive typing, basically no ability, its best moves require tutoring, is one of the fastest if not the fastest fake out user, has a shit ton of weaknesses including a 4x to mach punch (not that it would be taking neutral hits very well either). Can't really do much against MCX.
both are good pokemon in my book, but against a dragon, everything weavile can do mamoswine can do better
