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Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:51:08 No.20277817 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20277824 >>20277833 >>20277951 >>20278222 >>20278433

Is 100 passable as an attacking stat these days?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:52:19 No.20277824 Report

Quoted By: >>20277869

>>20277817
130 is the standard now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:52:46 No.20277828 Report

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unless your ability is sheer force or huge power, fuck no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:53:21 No.20277833 Report

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>>20277817
For a dragon? No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:54:36 No.20277851 Report

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not with average speed, no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:54:47 No.20277855 Report

Quoted By: >>20277870 >>20278284

Just wait for MegaFlygon's Dragonitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:56:29 No.20277869 Report

Quoted By: >>20278236

>>20277824
130 is a little much. At 130 you can do some serious damage with a +speed nature with or without a damage enhancing item. At 100 you either need an extremely good ability or attacks with high BP like Victini and V-Create. Keep in mind Victini also has 100/100/100 defenses propping it up since it's a Mew-like.

So to answer your implied question, no Flygon isn't good. It needs to carry a Choice Band in UU to deal any significant amount of damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:56:34 No.20277870 Report

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>>20277855
I hope flygon doesn't get a mega so that I candrink flygonfag tears

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:57:36 No.20277876 Report

Quoted By: >>20277884 >>20277896 >>20277925 >>20277972 >>20278273 >>20278629

What can Flygon do that Garchomp can't do twice as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 11:58:53 No.20277884 Report

Quoted By: >>20277917

>>20277876
Flygon has Defog utility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:00:56 No.20277896 Report

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>>20277876
A U-Turning Scout and Defogger is pretty much all it has over Chomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:03:27 No.20277917 Report

Quoted By: >>20277934

>>20277884
Wow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:05:01 No.20277925 Report

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>>20277876
Quiver Dance?

Oh wait...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:06:03 No.20277934 Report

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>>20277917
Say what you want about it, Flygon has more than a few chances to switch in and defog since it has a good typing/ability. Most teams would be better off choosing one of the many spinners in UU, but Flygon is decently fast unlike every other hazard remover that isn't lolstarmie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:09:06 No.20277951 Report

Quoted By: >>20277961 >>20277969

>>20277817
Hmmm....no one has made the appropriate analysis to know what ANY decent stat is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:10:16 No.20277961 Report

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>>20277951
Depends on the role, the team, and the tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:11:21 No.20277969 Report

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>>20277951
Because he got good stats to be both, but certainly not mixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:11:40 No.20277972 Report

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>>20277876
Be a big green antlion thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:16:12 No.20277993 Report

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No, it's not bad.
But when you're a physical attacker and have the same attack as your first form of three, it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:17:18 No.20278000 Report

Quoted By: >>20278006 >>20278015

How come the best bugs aren't even considered bugs?

>Flygon
>Drapion

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:18:28 No.20278006 Report

Quoted By: >>20278022 >>20278382

>>20278000
Maybe Flygon's mega will be Dragon/Bug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:19:27 No.20278015 Report

Quoted By: >>20278037

>>20278000
Bug type wouldn't be good for either of those mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:19:52 No.20278021 Report

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It's a combination of 100/100 offenses being average and 80/80 defenses being meh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:20:07 No.20278022 Report

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>>20278006
God, I hope not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:21:48 No.20278034 Report

Quoted By: >>20278041

>>20278022
How about Ground/Bug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:22:29 No.20278037 Report

Quoted By: >>20278045

>>20278015
Flygon would lose that shitty 4x Ice weakness and gain a STAB U-Turn. That seems pretty beneficial to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:23:11 No.20278041 Report

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>>20278034
>Nincada

Even worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:24:11 No.20278045 Report

Quoted By: >>20278080 >>20278086

>>20278037
It'd be losing STAB on Earthquake, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:29:21 No.20278080 Report

Quoted By: >>20278212

>>20278045
U-Turn/Outrage/Defog/Fire Punch

Nothing else would be needed.

There's a fuckton better things to use EQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:30:10 No.20278086 Report

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>>20278045
we have a superior garchomp for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:32:36 No.20278108 Report

Quoted By: >>20278186

I swear Flygonfags are the whiniest fanbase on Pokemon with their inferiority complex towards Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:41:55 No.20278186 Report

Quoted By: >>20278221

>>20278108
They're not the worst but definitely near the bottom. I love seeing them suffer because I've never liked Flygon and I honestly don't understand why /vp/ loves it so much. Just look at any of the "Favorite Pokemon of each type" threads and you're guaranteed to see Flygon in over half of the lists. I don't get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:45:17 No.20278212 Report

Quoted By: >>20278337

>>20278080
>Outrage
>Hamfisting in Defog because of something someone said earlier

Wow, what a shit player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:46:51 No.20278221 Report

Quoted By: >>20278321

>>20278186
>I don't like something so no one else can like it!
Holy fuck, shut up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:46:57 No.20278222 Report

Quoted By: >>20278247

>>20277817
Reminding you Talonflame has 81 base attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:49:00 No.20278236 Report

Quoted By: >>20278271 >>20278290 >>20278305 >>20278374

>>20277869
I still can't believe they gave Garchomp a trollish 102 speed tier along with having that much attack and enormous bulk in both sides. I can't think of any other non-legendary that has a stat distribution thats broken as Chomps. Fast hard-hitting attackers are usually frail. Bulky hard-hitting attackers are usually slow. You can't say the same for Garchomp in either spectrum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:50:11 No.20278247 Report

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>>20278222
and a god-tier ability and strong STABs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:52:22 No.20278271 Report

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>>20278236
They really made the most of its 600 BST. Not a single point went to waste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:52:33 No.20278273 Report

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>>20277876
Looking good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:53:40 No.20278284 Report

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>>20277855

>Dragonitate
>implying it won't regain Arena Trap

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:54:16 No.20278290 Report

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>>20278236
Garchomp's blessed with being a bulky fast hard hitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:56:04 No.20278305 Report

Quoted By: >>20278311 >>20278324

>>20278236
Well that's kind of why they fucked him over on his Mega with that speed nerf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:56:51 No.20278311 Report

Quoted By: >>20278325 >>20278356

>>20278305
>fucked him over
All they did was change him from a Sweeper to a Wallbreaker
It's not fucking it over at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:58:08 No.20278321 Report

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>>20278221
>What is reading comprehensions

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:58:30 No.20278324 Report

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>>20278305
don't worry
he's getting dragon dance via move tutor in the remakes
and none for flygon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 12:58:36 No.20278325 Report

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>>20278311
>implying wallbreakers aren't just inferior sweepers

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:00:17 No.20278337 Report

Quoted By: >>20278347

>>20278212
Don't even try that number on me you piece of shit.

https://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/flygon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:02:34 No.20278347 Report

Quoted By: >>20278416

>>20278337
you didn't prove him wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:03:40 No.20278356 Report

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>>20278311
It can't do anything that a standard Garchomp with Life Orb can't do just as well. Even the effective Special Attack is pretty much the same. There are much better megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:06:24 No.20278374 Report

Quoted By: >>20278388 >>20278398 >>20278405

>>20278236
GF really used some kind of black magic with Garchomp. Seriously, just think about this for a second: Garchomp and Hydreigon both have the same BST, 600, but Garchomp is faster, bulkier, AND hits harder than Hydreigon. How in the hell does that work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:07:32 No.20278382 Report

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>>20278006
The funny thing is as much as everyone wants this it'd be terrible for it. Dragon/Bug is a really shitty typing with bad synergy. Ground/Bug would be far more passable but still pretty mediocre. If anything it's current typing is one of the best it can get, it just needs something to distinguish itself from Garchomp.

At a glance...

>Dragon/Bug
Weakness: Ice x2, Rock x2, Fairy x2, Dragon x2, Flying x2
Resists: Water x2, Electric x2, Grass x4, Fighting x2, Ground x2
Immunities: None

>Ground/Bug
Weakness: Ice x2, Fire x2, Water x2, Flying x2,
Resists: Poison x2, Fighting x2, Ground x2
Immunities: Electric

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:07:57 No.20278388 Report

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>>20278374
It's called wasting 20 points in the less useful attacking stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:09:53 No.20278398 Report

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>>20278374
Hydreigon has a terrible typing, speed that's decent but too slow for standard play without a scarf, and fairly pointless mixed attacking stats. It's like the opposite of Garchomp: instead of tweaking the BST to be absolutely perfect, they tweaked it to be worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:11:00 No.20278405 Report

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>>20278374
Garchomp stat distribution is just the epitomy of perfection, it's like whoever designed it was a hardcore minmaxer who wanted to most optimal physical distribution ever.

Though Garchomp hitting harder than Hydreigon is plain wrong. Hydreigon has higher BP attacks at it's disposal so edges out in damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:13:44 No.20278416 Report

Quoted By: >>20278440

>>20278347
There are two defog sets on Smogon's page free for the taken.

I don't even give a shit about Flygon, but as i said, being part Bug would help him escape from the inferior Garchomp stigma.

As of now, if you're using Flygon for EQ you're a massive retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:16:15 No.20278433 Report

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>>20277817
Not really. I can't think of any top-tier offensive Pokémon with less than 100 in attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:17:03 No.20278440 Report

Quoted By: >>20278473 >>20278487

>>20278416
Yeah, using a STABbed 100 base power move is truly the worst idea ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:21:04 No.20278473 Report

Quoted By: >>20278485

>>20278440
He means you're retarded for not using chomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:22:26 No.20278485 Report

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>>20278473
>using Chomp in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:23:02 No.20278487 Report

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>>20278440
I'd rather use Krookodile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 13:46:11 No.20278629 Report

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>>20277876
He can switch into ground moves thanks to Levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 14:09:47 No.20278815 Report

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Time for implications.
>implying Flygon won't get both ddance and quiver dance in OARS.
>implying it won't get a signature ability that is sandstream,arena trap and levitate at the same time.
>implying it won't replace bot garchomp and t-tar
>implying implications

God i sound retarded.
Well flygon will probably get a booster move, boosted Spe Atk and SpA making it a frail set up sweeper.
If it gets sandstream i'll be happy enough since it will at least have some special bulk and we'd have the ultimate scout/weather mon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Aug 2014 14:13:28 No.20278838 Report

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STAB Quiver Dance.

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