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Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:27:04 No.20336717 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20336745 >>20336881 >>20336883 >>20336958 >>20337015 >>20337079 >>20337104 >>20337142 >>20342034 >>20343625

Dark, Ice and Bug and are the most neglected types in the game.

How would you fix them?

Dark:
New weather effect, Darkness, halves speed of any non-dark type on the field.
Dark becomes SE against Grass because Grass needs sunlight.
Fairy and Dark are SE against each other.
Ice:
Hail heals 1/16 HP per turn to Ice types, remove Ice Body as an ability.
Ice resists Ground, Water and Grass.
Bug: Bug becomes SE against Fairy, Fighting and Ghost no longer resist it.

How'd I do? Propose your own changes, R8, H8 & B8 etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:29:36 No.20336745 Report

Quoted By: >>20336774

>>20336717
Dark got a huge buff this gen in the Knock off buf and Steel nerf. Also, we don't need more weather, and Grass doesn't need another nerf.

Ice and Bug are still shit. ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:31:58 No.20336774 Report

Quoted By: >>20343597

>>20336745
There are only a handful of notable Dark types that use Knock Off, knock off should be nerfed. One good move does not fix a shitty type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:32:50 No.20336787 Report

Quoted By: >>20336800

Pretty good. Although I personally think the Darkness weather effect is kinda over powered. If it lowered the speed by a stage or two, that's fine. But completely halfing it is kinda broken in my opinion. But I agree with everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:34:17 No.20336800 Report

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>>20336787
Alternatively it could nullify priority for non-dark types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:34:23 No.20336801 Report

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Bug did not need to be resisted by fairy it was an unneeded bug nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:43:05 No.20336881 Report

Quoted By: >>20336902

>>20336717
>Forgetting Psychic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:43:09 No.20336883 Report

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>>20336717
Hasn't grass been fucked long enough? Don't you think they're a bit sore by now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:44:29 No.20336902 Report

Quoted By: >>20336965

>>20336881
It's a decent offensive type that has few resistances at the cost of being SE against a smaller pool of pokemon. What's wrong with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:47:31 No.20336930 Report

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Dark has knock off and sucker punch
What does psychic have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:50:07 No.20336958 Report

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>>20336717
>Darkness
>Halves speed
Wouldn't it half accuracy, anon? I mean, I can move just fine in the dark(in theory), but the issue is sight/low visibility. Also, not saying this is an issue(in fact, I like this as an idea), but imagine the bullshit of having only one Dark-type on your team and then it dies after creating Darkness. Shhhit.
Also, what about moves that 'never miss' in this case?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:50:30 No.20336965 Report

Quoted By: >>20337040 >>20343316

>>20336902

Right now, Fairy and Ground do Psychic's job much better. Why use a Psychic-type over a Fairy-type to defeat a Fighting-type when Fairy's two weakness are bad offensively and it resists moves like U-Turn and Knock Off? Ground is also a better choice against Poison-types because not only does it do SE damage, but it has useful coverage against four other types as well.

If you ask me, Fairy is part of the reason why Psychic, Ice, Bug, and Dark are lacking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:54:05 No.20337015 Report

Quoted By: >>20337146

>>20336717

nerf knock off. Make dark SE and resistant to fairy. Also make steel resist dark and ghost again.

make ice resist water and dragon. Hail now increased the defense on ice type pokemon by 50% when active.

Bug: what OP said

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:56:18 No.20337040 Report

Quoted By: >>20337056 >>20337108 >>20337276

>>20336965
I guess you're right actually, Fairy is only resisted by 45 pokemon in total including Shedinja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:57:29 No.20337056 Report

Quoted By: >>20337108

>>20337040
*145

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 00:59:24 No.20337079 Report

Quoted By: >>20337088

>>20336717
>forgets about Grass needing buff desperately
>says that Dark needs buff even after 6th gen
>fucks over Grass even more
Fuck you. Just fuck you. You are the worst kind of people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:00:17 No.20337088 Report

Quoted By: >>20337111 >>20337161

>>20337079
No one cares about grass. It's only useful for making shitty sun teams or Leech Seed stalling. Fuck you.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:01:20 No.20337104 Report

Quoted By: >>20337120 >>20337127 >>20337153 >>20337201 >>20343337

>>20336717
You forgot to include rock type pokemon.

Almost every rock type pokemon is slow and they can be taken out by very common threats. I wish they'd give rock a useful immunity/neutrality or at least a stab priority move like bullet punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:01:34 No.20337107 Report

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Since Dark-type is "Evil Type" in Japan, making it super effective against Grass is nonsense. Dark type was already buffed this gen anyway.
Also, yet again, more Bug and Ice circlejerking in this thread. They're designed to be shitty types. Get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:01:36 No.20337108 Report

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>>20337040
>>20337056

yeah except most poison types are shit. And everything that resist/or is SFE against fairy is weak to ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:02:15 No.20337111 Report

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>>20337088
>No one cares about grass.
kek

>It's only useful for making shitty sun teams or Leech Seed stalling.
Grass pokemon could be god-tier if given just a few little buffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:02:45 No.20337120 Report

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>>20337104
rock priority + stealth rock would be delicious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:03:30 No.20337127 Report

Quoted By: >>20337135

>>20337104
>speedy pebble
>BP 50
>accuracy 80%

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:04:19 No.20337135 Report

Quoted By: >>20337164

>>20337127
>Speedy Pebble
>BP 80
>+2 priority
>50% acc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:04:42 No.20337142 Report

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>>20336717
>New weather effect, Darkness, halves speed of any non-dark type on the field.
Oh boy. Imagine Bisharp, except with a functional speed of nearly 500!

Not broken at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:05:00 No.20337146 Report

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>>20337015
How does Steel resist "Evil"-type? Or Ghosts, considering by definition they can pass right through it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:05:55 No.20337153 Report

Quoted By: >>20337177

>>20337104
Agree. Give it some more moves and for God's sake make it resistant to itself.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:06:30 No.20337161 Report

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>>20337088
It's only good for those purposes because GF decided it was going to be a garbage offensive and defensive type.

I'm honestly surprised it's still super effective against water, considering the fact GF sucks that type's collective dick so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:06:56 No.20337164 Report

Quoted By: >>20337191 >>20337206

>>20337135

extreme pebble.

"80 bp, 100 acc, +2 priority

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:08:21 No.20337177 Report

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>>20337153
But only rock break rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:09:38 No.20337191 Report

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>>20337164
Considering most rock types have decent attack, maybe you should make it 60 BP.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:10:35 No.20337201 Report

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>>20337104
Make Rock Slide and Stone Edge 100% accurate if a Rock type uses it. With all these common weaknesses and being slow as fuck, they need this kind of treatment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:10:49 No.20337206 Report

Quoted By: >>20337240 >>20337319

>>20337164
Motherfucking Pebble
10,000BP
Causes Confusion, Paralysis, Poison, Burn, Freeze, and Infatuation
Infinite PP
+8 Priority
100% accuracy
Not affected by accuracy modifiers
Removes any and all effects on the user
Restores 100% of the damage inflicted
Breaks protect and other barriers
4x SE against everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:13:50 No.20337240 Report

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>>20337206

watch most rock types still be NU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:16:54 No.20337276 Report

Quoted By:

>>20337040

I actually made this thread: >>20328274

It's my proposal to make Psychic (And Dark) more useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:16:58 No.20337279 Report

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Ice: Resist Ground and Flying
Poison: SE against Water
Grass: SE against Fairy
Bug: Resists Psychic
Psychic: Normal effectiveness against Steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 01:18:47 No.20337319 Report

Quoted By: >>20341999

>>20337206

Uber pebble

+ 8 priority
cannot miss
knocks out every pokemon on the opposing team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 08:21:15 No.20341999 Report

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>>20337319
yes so when the first pokemon is knocked/switched out the rest of the team dies as well. they should make this a thing.

Uchronie - 1950 8836 2069

Uchronie - 1950 8836 2069 Tue 05 Aug 2014 08:26:49 No.20342017 Report

Quoted By: >>20342893

I'm still waiting for a challenge where you choose six mons and your opponents do the same

computer picks only one of them and it's a short 1v1 match

Bonus {spoiler]no strength/weakness during the match, only strategy and logic[/spoiler:lit]

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 08:29:18 No.20342034 Report

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>>20336717
>Dark becomes SE against Grass because Grass needs sunlight.

Except Dark is not literally Darkness, in pokemon terms it means 'Evil'

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 08:30:51 No.20342042 Report

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>what is Sucker Punch?
>what is Kyurem?
>what is Fell Stinger?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 10:21:32 No.20342893 Report

Quoted By:

>>20342017
Except 1v1 would just become whoever hits the fastest and or hardest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 11:37:18 No.20343316 Report

Quoted By: >>20343586

>>20336965
>Using Psychic moves solely for type matchups
I get that you want to get the most offensive coverage possible but STAB Psychic moves are still decent for the neutral damage.
That raises a point, is there a Psychic Sweeper? (bar legendaries)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 11:40:31 No.20343337 Report

Quoted By:

>>20337104
Skimming Stone
>Physical, 60 BA, always strikes first. Never misses during Rain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 12:36:38 No.20343586 Report

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>>20343316

That's true, but what I'm saying is that if you're looking for something to specifically use against Fighting or Poison-types, Fairy and Ground are better choices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 12:41:15 No.20343597 Report

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>>20336774
but a type losing a resistance to it certainly does - especially when it's a type that walls more than half the types that exist in the game.

Dark by definition should be an offensive type anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Aug 2014 12:49:06 No.20343625 Report

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>>20336717
Grass doesn't need any more nerfs - it's a worse type than dark offensively and defensively. Besides, the only dark move that could reasonably interpreted as literal 'darkness' rather than a malicious attack would be dark pulse, which still isn't quite right.

Grass should be immune to fairy - there aren't enough types that resist fairy at all and it makes quite a bit of sense that something born from nature wouldn't be able to hurt plant life (besides the strongest fairy attacks look like they would be harmless to most plants - dazzling gleam, moonblast)

Dark and Fairy relationship would make sense either way, honestly, and further improving dark's SE against another type while remaining weak to it will only encourage players to use some other type and have dark as a coverage move instead - just look at Ice types.

if Ice is to be changed to resist grass, grass should be changed to not be weak to ice. plant life exists in the far north anyway in the form of evergreen trees and lichens and algae so there's some precedent there - and there are plants that exist in colder climates than bugs, and bugs don't have an ice weakness either.

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