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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:44:54 No.20499294 View View Reply Original Report

Gentlemen, how do we fix the ice type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:45:34 No.20499300 Report

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>>20499294
we don't

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:46:16 No.20499306 Report

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make em immune to hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:46:32 No.20499308 Report

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>>20499294

thread over, way to go op.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:47:28 No.20499313 Report

Quoted By: >>20499343 >>20499358 >>20499471 >>20499532 >>20500443 >>20500614 >>20500753 >>20503070 >>20503141 >>20503503 >>20507422 >>20508480 >>20508536

> Ice now resists Flying and Dragon, is neutral against Water, and is no longer weak to Rock
> Ice types now get a 1.5x Def boost in the Hail
> Ice type counterpart to Burn, called Frostbite, inflicted by a move that is the counterpart to Will-O-Wisp, all Ice types can learn it, and some moves are retconned to inflict it
> Frostbite cuts SpA in half and deals 12.5% HP per turn, Ice types cannot be Frostbitten, neither can Pokemon with Magma Armour

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:48:44 No.20499327 Report

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Some resists, maybe?
I donno, ground?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:49:04 No.20499332 Report

Quoted By: >>20499341

>Ice resists Fairy and Flying
>Make rock normal effective to Ice, replace it with Fairy or something

Yes? No?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:49:44 No.20499341 Report

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>>20499332
>Ice resistis Fairy

would balance things

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:50:02 No.20499343 Report

Quoted By: >>20499369 >>20499371 >>20508175

>>20499313
Don't forget entry hazards.

>Frozen Stalactite
>Drops down on all pokemon
>same shit as Stealth Rocks

How many things would be rekt by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:51:29 No.20499358 Report

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>>20499313
This would be great. Not too overpowered but it'd make a real difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:51:48 No.20499363 Report

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>>20499294
Their defense and special defense increase by one stage under hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:52:13 No.20499365 Report

Quoted By: >>20499377

>Ice types are immune to dragon

Wouldn't this alone make them great?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:52:27 No.20499367 Report

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Resist Water and a defense boost in Hail like Sandstorm does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:52:44 No.20499369 Report

Quoted By: >>20499517

>>20499343
that only ice type pokemon learn. Stealth Rock's coverage is stupid. Why can a Chansey learn Stealth Rock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:52:50 No.20499371 Report

Quoted By: >>20504298

>>20499343
Leave the Flying-types alone, anon. What did they do to you?
Make it Frozen Stalagmite so that Flying or Levitating Pokémon can be immune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:53:31 No.20499377 Report

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>>20499365
>dragon now has two invulnerable types against it

nah fuck you you fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:53:53 No.20499380 Report

Quoted By: >>20499405 >>20499418 >>20499439 >>20499452 >>20499517 >>20504287

Resists flying
Resists water
Loses Rock weakness
Can't be burned

They don't need an offensive buff

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:55:27 No.20499405 Report

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>>20499380
>Can't be burned
Seriously, this.
When you burned your hand on the stove as a kid did your mom tell you to put some fire on it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:56:37 No.20499418 Report

Quoted By: >>20499436 >>20504480

>>20499380
I dont understand why people say it should resist water.

spray water on some ice nigga. it melts. shit should be super effective

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:58:18 No.20499436 Report

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>>20499418
it works both ways. Put water in a cold environment and it freezes up. It makes more real-world sense than some other type relationships at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:58:32 No.20499439 Report

Quoted By: >>20499453 >>20504480

>>20499380
>Resists water

That's the most retarded thing ever.

If anything water would be SE against ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:59:29 No.20499448 Report

Quoted By: >>20499517 >>20514904

Ice doesn't need a buff.

Ice needs Game Freak to stop being retarded and make more offensive Ice-types. Mamoswine, Weavile, Jynx, and Abomasnow (sort of) have the right idea.

Shitmons like Avalugg, Lapras, Dewgong, and Aurorus are permanent residents of NU because of their typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:59:31 No.20499449 Report

Quoted By: >>20499512 >>20499579

I don't know why people always want to give it a bunch of resistances, I would keep it as an offensive oriented type and make it super effective vs. water or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:59:47 No.20499452 Report

Quoted By: >>20499521

>>20499380
>Loses Rock weakness

better idea: get rid of stealth rock. Can you imagine a metagame where rock-weak mons don't require all the setup in the universe to switch in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 04:59:52 No.20499453 Report

Quoted By: >>20499480 >>20508700

>>20499439
that means Ice should be super effective against water. you'd think a cold motherfucking beam would turn that water shit to ice right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:00:53 No.20499460 Report

Quoted By: >>20499489

more resistances
maybe a better pokemon

a lot of them are pretty shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:01:49 No.20499471 Report

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>>20499313
I like this a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:02:49 No.20499480 Report

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>>20499453
That's like saying Fire should be weak to ice because it melts into water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:04:11 No.20499489 Report

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>>20499460
No, there are tons of ice pokemon that would be amazing if they had different types. It's the typing that makes them shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:07:14 No.20499512 Report

Quoted By: >>20499579

>>20499449

This. Ice is supposed to be a fragile, super aggro type. If anything, they should get an attack/sp.atk boost in Hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:07:27 No.20499516 Report

Quoted By: >>20499738

If Ice should be weak to water, Ice should be weak to everything except ice, obviously.
Water only "melts ice" because it introduces heat to it. And basically adding any environment temperature material to the ice adds heat to it unless the battle is taking place in a very cold area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:07:34 No.20499517 Report

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>>20499448
>>20499380
>>20499369

I feel like the thing Ice really lacks is its incompatibility with other typings for many of its key strategies. You want to use Sunny Day? Sure, there's a lot of pokemon suitable for that. Hail? Mostly just benefits Ice types. I'd like to see more non-ice 'mons that can benefit from Hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:08:01 No.20499520 Report

Quoted By: >>20499539

Ice being shit defensively actually makes sense, ice being fragile and all.
Make it SE against water types, resist water.
The frostbite idea mentioned earlier is good too.

Then can we fix grass and bug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:08:22 No.20499521 Report

Quoted By: >>20499538 >>20508799

>>20499452
I just say have Rock types absorb the Stealth Rock upon entering the battle while gaining an attack boost off it as well. That would make Aurorus less terrible, if marginally at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:08:33 No.20499524 Report

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Without its Rock weakness, Rock would just become shittier.

Go Getter

Go Getter Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:08:38 No.20499527 Report

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>>20499294

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:09:11 No.20499532 Report

Quoted By: >>20499542

>>20499313
>Ice gets two status immunities

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:09:54 No.20499538 Report

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>>20499521
Or Steel types smash them on entry. Flavorful and it makes sense, since Rock is weak to Steel already and most Steel types are incredibly heavy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:09:54 No.20499539 Report

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>>20499520
but grass is a good type, bug is fine as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:10:02 No.20499542 Report

Quoted By: >>20499578

>>20499532
Why not? Ghost has two immunities to whole types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:11:05 No.20499555 Report

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Resists Fairy. Resists something else.

Bam. Thread over. Let's get lunch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:13:05 No.20499578 Report

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>>20499542
Bug no longer resisted by ghost and grass resists or is immune t fairy and id be ok.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:13:27 No.20499579 Report

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>>20499449
>>20499512
Because how fragile it is is why it is bad.
Most offensive buffs, unless you want to buff the ice mons themselves (and make EVERY ice mon offensive only, which would be boring), would just increase ice's use as a coverage move, not as a STAB move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:14:38 No.20499589 Report

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>>20499538
Sure, let Steel types do that as well. Although while Ice itself is a garbage tier type, Grass, Psychic and Rock are all suffering right now too. I was just giving a little buff to Rock that would've helped an Ice type family, that's all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:31:48 No.20499738 Report

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>>20499516
Ugh... This sounds retarded even thinking about it, but what if Hail shifted the weakness ladder of Ice types one step? Like a super effective move in normal conditions turn neutral in a hail storm?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:32:46 No.20499752 Report

Quoted By: >>20500627

>SpA raises while Burn
>Att raises while Poison
>Def and SpD raises while paralyzed
>Spe raises while sleep
>Ice-types get step out all the volatile status easily
>immunity to Ice
>More than 50% boost from STAB, 75% may be enough.
They is no reason to add resistances or weaknesses, just an immunity.
Ice types are suppose to be glass canons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:39:24 No.20499801 Report

Quoted By: >>20499903 >>20500399

I just want a cool, decent, usable ice type that isn't Weavile or somethings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 05:50:23 No.20499903 Report

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>>20499801
Mammoswine is pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 06:51:46 No.20500374 Report

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Resists itself and water, +30% def/special defense in Hail

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 06:54:18 No.20500399 Report

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>>20499801
>what is froslass
>what is mamoswine

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 06:58:58 No.20500443 Report

Quoted By: >>20500466 >>20500515 >>20500554 >>20500594

>>20499313
Dragon would now be the worst typing. It's Only super effective against other dragons. I feel like people forget how shitty the dragon typing really is

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:01:34 No.20500466 Report

Quoted By: >>20500505 >>20500527

>>20500443
what should dragon be super effective to
steel because knight, fuck steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:03:02 No.20500490 Report

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Not ice type related, but i think that fairy outright negating dragon attacks was a retarded decision, i also think that dark and fairy should be super effective on each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:04:55 No.20500505 Report

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>>20500466
maybe resist flying types because they Always Are imagined in the air. And maybe rock since they live in caves in fairy tales I like the idea of basing the dragon typing on classic fairy tales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:06:30 No.20500515 Report

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>>20500443

Dragons are kind of terrible, really on pseudos and legendaries can pull it off well.

Giving fairies immunity to them did almost nothing except nerf outrage, I suppose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:07:34 No.20500527 Report

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>>20500466
>steel because knight, fuck steel

Steel and Dragon should be SE on each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:11:19 No.20500554 Report

Quoted By: >>20500599

>>20500443
Dragon gets neutral hits on everything bar steel and fairy types, you can make a dual typed pokemon of any 2 types except for the two mention and dragon will still hit them neutrally unlike every other type (hello water/ground), not to mention that dragons tend to have high stats, dragon type is definitely not shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:15:26 No.20500594 Report

Quoted By: >>20506205

>>20500443
What could Dragon be super-effective against, then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:15:27 No.20500595 Report

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>>20499294
Fuse it with the water type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:16:34 No.20500599 Report

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>>20500554
Being neutral is my point. The only thing dragon is super effective on its itself. And it gets hit by three other types pretty hard. And having high attack and special attack doesn't matter when youre getting hit with an ice beam, which is a pretty common move

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:18:11 No.20500614 Report

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>>20499313
i like the frostbite idea. it overlaps with freeze a bit uncomfortably but i guess it would sort of be like poisoned and badly poisoned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:20:36 No.20500627 Report

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>>20499752
The problem is that many ice types are designed to be walls. See: Regice, Articuno, Cryogonal, Walrein, Avalugg...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:25:01 No.20500654 Report

Quoted By: >>20500773

It's pretty obvious that GameFreak is afraid of the freeze status a a whole, since it's the only status that can't be reliably inflicted.
Is it really THAT bad? Consider this: anything with fire moves or Scald is auto-immune to freeze. Incidentally water and fire types make for great switch-ins against ice types, so they're reliable freeze absorbers, meaning freeze is actually much easier to deal with compared to sleep moves such as Spore and Dark Void.
And let's not forget that Sunny Day/Drought makes everything immune to freeze.
I think a freeze status move (that only ice types should learn, of course) is long overdue.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:27:08 No.20500672 Report

Quoted By: >>20500683 >>20500685 >>20500686 >>20503503

Ice being weak to rock makes no sense, it should be the other way around since ice + rock = rock erodes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:29:28 No.20500683 Report

Quoted By: >>20500695

>>20500672
the reason ice erodes rock is because it melts and refreezes. the water seeps inbeetween the cracks in the rock and then when it freezes the expansion breaks it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:29:56 No.20500685 Report

Quoted By: >>20504357

>>20500672
>giving rock another weakness

I see your point anon, but rock already has 5 weaknesses.
If rock lost its ground weakness (ground is already SE against 5 types after all) and gained another resistance (rock was supposed to be a defensive type back in gen 1) then I could support that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:29:56 No.20500686 Report

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>>20500672
Your right its called abrasion! That's total BS on Game freaks part. When I get home in going to tell my dad John gamefreak to change it immediately

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:31:19 No.20500695 Report

Quoted By: >>20500710

>>20500683
So you just basically said that both ice and water should be SE against rock, which is my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:32:11 No.20500701 Report

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>>20499294
melt it into water type.

pokemon is now usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:34:13 No.20500710 Report

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>>20500695
>making rock/ground types 4x weak to ice, water AND grass

Even though it makes sense, this would be just cruel. Unfortunately we're stuck in this situation where logic and balance can't coexist because the type chart is inherently badly designed and it's been that way since Gen 1.

Honestly I think rock and ground types should have been merged into "earth" back in gen 1. This way they wouldn't have to worry about stacking tons of 4x weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:36:25 No.20500723 Report

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I think GF is aware that water types have been stepping on ice types' toes for a long time and they're slowly starting to change this.
Notice how a few Gen 5 water types such as Keldeo and Seismitoad can't learn Ice Beam?
Freeze Dry was also a step in the right direction, though I feel like its power is a bit too low (80 BP would be ideal).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:37:09 No.20500726 Report

Quoted By: >>20508403

>>20499294
Make it resist Fairy, Psychic, and/or Flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:37:27 No.20500728 Report

Quoted By: >>20504539

ice should resist dragon and ground. two new resists will go a long way. defense boost in hail would help too.

OR

a move that initiates inverse battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:40:54 No.20500753 Report

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>>20499313
I'm for neutral against water.
I'm for Def boost in Hail.
Not really for Frostbite. There's already an ice-related status effect. If anything, I think Poison should have the SpA drop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 07:44:18 No.20500773 Report

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>>20500654
Yeah I think freeze is not that hard to deal with anymore since Scald and fire attacks are everywhere.
Most teams probably have at least 2 mons that are functionally immune to freeze, which is more than can be said about sleep (hell there are successful teams that have no sleep absorber whatsoever).

Giving ice types a freeze move would give them a valuable niche and at the same time would give more value to their freeze immunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 11:39:34 No.20502787 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:00:07 No.20502988 Report

Quoted By: >>20503118 >>20503184

>gamefreak can't into logic

what else is new?
>ground is super effective against poison
>poison isn't super effective against water

hurp durp

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:03:25 No.20503014 Report

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Fairy resistance.
Hail gives Ice type Pokémon a 50% def bonus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:09:32 No.20503058 Report

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>sun boosts fire attacks
>rain boosts water attacks
>sandstorm gives rock special defense
>hail gives ???? to ice types

Fix this shit gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:10:06 No.20503064 Report

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>>20499294
exclusive abilities that play around with its weaknesses - which would be broken on any other type than ice (similar abilities could be granted to grass and bug)

-contact move damage reduction
-defense/sp defense boost when hit by water
-30% of freezing when hit by a contact move

exclusive moves could also work (as long as they aren't given to water types)

-deals super effective damage to steel types
-ice puddle gimmick move - deals weight-based priority damage if hit by a contact move
-special ice type recover that also puts up reflect at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:10:27 No.20503070 Report

Quoted By: >>20503199

>>20499313
>no longer weak to Rock
doesn't make sense, rock destroys ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:11:56 No.20503084 Report

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>>20499294
>Ice types now resist Water and Fairy type attacks
>Stealth Rock gets nerved to 18.75% and 25% damage upon switching in when x2 or x4 weak to rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:17:49 No.20503118 Report

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>>20502988
>What are landfills

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:21:01 No.20503141 Report

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>>20499313
neutral against water doesn't make sense since water is temperature resistant - hell, they use salt water vents to melt ice off the roads in northern japan.

it makes as much sense as fire being neutral againt water because it can evaporate it.

also if you're gonna give ice some new resists, it's gonna have to lose some Super effective damage as well, because then it just becomes a godly type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:29:33 No.20503184 Report

Quoted By: >>20503297

>>20502988
dirt absorbs poisons, and bacteria within dirt breaks it down. water purifying methods usually involve gravel and sand - as they absorb impurities. clay and salts also absorb radiation, so there's that as well.

That's at least three reasons why ground is super effective against poison.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:32:33 No.20503199 Report

Quoted By: >>20503206

>>20503070
You got it backwards, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:33:31 No.20503206 Report

Quoted By: >>20503249 >>20503386

>>20503199
that's only justification for ice being SE against rock and not resisting it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:34:31 No.20503213 Report

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Ice doesn't really need buffs, it just needs some good offensive mons.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:37:10 No.20503249 Report

Quoted By: >>20503344

>>20503206
And this is the only justification for water being super effective against fire, what's your point?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:42:05 No.20503297 Report

Quoted By: >>20503309 >>20508673

>>20503184
then why is the earth, the beloved planet we call our home, dying?! poison should be se against everything. check mate, atheists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:44:03 No.20503309 Report

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>>20503297
the earth isn't dying - everything else that's on it is.

the earth doesn't give two shits about poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:48:01 No.20503344 Report

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>>20503249
there's a reason why some type resistances aren't two way streets.

water resists fire because liquids resist temperature changes
fire is weak against water because fire needs air to burn and water engulfs it.

a thrown rock shatters ice and crushes snow
ice *can* crack rock but it takes a damn long time.

rapid temperature changes damaging metals and rocks usually requires a back and forth between hot and cold states as well to really cause damage.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:54:38 No.20503386 Report

Quoted By: >>20503396 >>20503433

>>20503206
you do realize that Steel recently lost it's resistance to Ghost and Dark, right? And in Gen 2, Psychic gained a weakness to Bug. My point? Quit trying to justify weaknesses and resistances (in a non, just for fun manner) with Types because GF has demonstrated that they can, and will change it come next Gen if they see it fit. Pokemon is a GAME first and foremost. Remember that....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:56:35 No.20503393 Report

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I doubt gamefreak will change anything about the strenghts and weaknesses anytime soon. They had their chance with the introduction of fairy typing and didn't to shit when it comes to the shit tier typings. Maybe they want some types to be weaker? They do this shit all the time in fighting games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:56:46 No.20503396 Report

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>>20503386
*Ghost not Bug. My bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 13:02:20 No.20503433 Report

Quoted By: >>20503489

>>20503386
two points:
>gen 2 was more of a bug fix than anything when it came to the type chart
>as if anything we write up here has any chance of happening

the point still stands that ice is an amazing offensive type as it is, giving it more would just make water types that much stronger, and at the same time, giving ice defensive buffs without removing some of its offensive coverage just makes it as broken as fairies and in short isn't fun either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 13:05:47 No.20503459 Report

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>>20499294
One of the best things Game Freak can do is to completely nerf Ice beam, lower the accuracy of blizzard even further when not being used by an ice type, and then make a new ice beam equivalent that is exclusive to ice types.

Water loses its godly coverage, and people have reason to use ice types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 13:09:54 No.20503489 Report

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>>20503433
i wasnt talking about Ice specifically and hypothetical changes that should be made to it to make it more viable. My statement is in regards to debates in general about Types and why "Type X can't be weak/resist to Type Y because (insert real world physics here)" type of mentality. Sorry if sounded otherwise...

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 13:11:15 No.20503503 Report

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>>20500672
>mfw living extremely close to the Aletsch glacier

>>20499313
I like the frostbite idea very much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 13:44:08 No.20503790 Report

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>>20499294
melt it and get the OP masuda type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 13:58:17 No.20503935 Report

Quoted By: >>20504090 >>20509302

Ice:
>No longer weak to fighting.
>Super effective against Water and Fairy.
>x1.5 speed Boost during Hail.

Bug:
>super effective against Poison and Ground
>Can't be poisoned.

Grass:
>Immune to water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 13:58:47 No.20503939 Report

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>>20499294
Resists dragon, loses weakness to fighting and rock and remove fairy type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:07:50 No.20504063 Report

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Bump, it´s interresting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:09:19 No.20504076 Report

Quoted By: >>20504103

>>20499294
>gentlemen
Every time.
You know /vp/ isn't really a male board?

Lizerd

Lizerd Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:10:09 No.20504087 Report

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>>20499294
Maybe more Ice type attacks like Freeze Dry, or an ability or move that removes the user's ice weaknesses for a few turns.

Absolute Zero
Status
Removes all ice weaknesses of user and teammates for 3 turns, though lowers the speed of any non-ice type teammates by one stage for those turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:10:23 No.20504090 Report

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>>20503935
>Grass immune to water

Doesn't make sense, Plants die if you give them too much water.

Checkmate Atheist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:12:09 No.20504103 Report

Quoted By: >>20504319

>>20504076
Yes, yes - it's a gay board. Everyone knows that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:16:50 No.20504157 Report

Quoted By: >>20504248

Ice resists: Ice, Water, Fairy, Flying and Grass
Ice Rekts: Flying, Dragon, Grass, Ground and Fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:25:04 No.20504248 Report

Quoted By:

>>20504157
Too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:28:33 No.20504287 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499380
>can't be burned
>instead burn racks up like Toxic to emphasize ice melting
Better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:29:33 No.20504298 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499371
I prefer this, Flying type has it pretty bad already
>inb4 Talonflame
SR is more effective in it anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:31:41 No.20504319 Report

Quoted By: >>20504355

>>20504103
>implying at least 15% isn't grills
Pls.

I think that aside from the obvious boards, /vp/ may have the biggest female population on 4chan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:34:25 No.20504355 Report

Quoted By: >>20504402

>>20504319
like it really matters on an anonymous message board

if anything 'gentlemen' provides you with a greater smokescreen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:34:34 No.20504357 Report

Quoted By:

>>20500685
>Rock resists Ghost
>Rock loses Grass weakness
>Grass SE against Fairy
Sorted
It seems like Rock often gets the short stick when people here try to balance types or make new ones ("Sound is SE against Rock cause sound can shatter things!")

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:38:00 No.20504387 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499294

>Water gains poison weakness
>Water gains ghost resist

>Grass gains fairy immunity
>Grass loses Ice weakness

>Fairy loses Bug resistance

>Bug gains Psychic resistance

>Ice gains Grass resistance
>Ice gains Ground resistance

how's this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:39:40 No.20504402 Report

Quoted By: >>20504413 >>20515053

>>20504355
Maybe. But I don't really think guys and girls are the same.

Girls are (in my experience) more creative and can think of complicated solutions to a problem.

Guys are better at technical solutions and are better at seeing how stuff works. They get shit done.

While this is mostly based on my personal experience I think this stereotype is true in general. Sure there can be creative guys and technical girls but y'know.

Good old 4chan though. Speak your opinion, get called a faggot, call others faggots, move on. Never change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:41:18 No.20504413 Report

Quoted By: >>20504501

>>20504402
this isn't the place for this sort of debate, if you want recognition just for being female, go to tumblr

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:48:18 No.20504480 Report

Quoted By: >>20504493

>>20499439
>>20499418
Go to the arctic and spit. See what happens.

See, I can cherry pick scenarios too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:50:08 No.20504493 Report

Quoted By:

>>20504480
Maybe if there was an 'Ice Terrain' move, sure.

You could give Ice a bunch of resists it otherwise wouldn't have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:51:04 No.20504501 Report

Quoted By:

>>20504413
...? I didn't say that.

Ice should resist Water and grass. It's pretty simple. Fixing ice isn't hard. Gamefreak just hates ice for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 14:55:14 No.20504539 Report

Quoted By:

>>20500728
>Hail now raises Sp.Def of Ice types
>New moves;
>Stalagmites - Freezes the ground to produce stalagmites that hurt foes for Ice damage upon entry. Only works on grounded foes.
>Frozen Terrain - Chills the ground, increasing the Defence of all Ice types in play, decreases the Speed of all non-ice types in the ground and makes every attack have a 20% chance to Flinch (doesn't stack) when used against a non-ice type.
>Absolute Armour - creates freezing wind around the user to sharply raise both defences (+2). If hit with a Water attack, it becomes a drastic rise to defences (+3). If hit with a Fire attack, they decrease to just a rise in defences (+1)

All these moves are only available to Ice types and have wide distribution (Avalugg gets all of these moves)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 15:05:10 No.20504639 Report

Quoted By: >>20504644 >>20504666 >>20507478

Make Hail do Ice-type damage instead of neutral damage each turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 15:05:59 No.20504644 Report

Quoted By:

>>20504639
sobbing_dragons

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 15:09:05 No.20504666 Report

Quoted By:

>>20504639
>ice type Stealth Rock damage every turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 17:29:23 No.20506205 Report

Quoted By: >>20506492

>>20500594
Normal?

Dragons fuck up normal people.

Might be a little OP though considering how many normal types there are. Maybe Ghost because it needs another weakness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 17:45:12 No.20506492 Report

Quoted By: >>20506552

>>20506205
Yeah, if you go by asian mythology, Dragons drive out evil spirits, and rule over terrestrial beasts and sea creatures.

If you go by that, you could justify Dragons being SE against: Normal, Water, Ghost, Dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 17:48:34 No.20506552 Report

Quoted By: >>20506600 >>20507313

>>20506492
>Implying I wouldn't be fine with that were it not for most Dragons being OP
but Altaria and Druddigon having a boost would be nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 17:51:50 No.20506600 Report

Quoted By: >>20507688

>>20506552
I'm still pissed that Druddigon doesn't get Dragon Rush.
He's basically the only dragon that has a use for that move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 18:26:50 No.20507091 Report

Quoted By: >>20507242

>ice pokemon now may randomly create castalia cones after battle

>Winter sleep
>user falls asleep for 2 turns, raises def, and spdef 2 stages, recovers HP, 33% per turn

>Hail does something usefull

>Ice type will o wisp/toxic/hypnose

>stalagmites entry hazard (although honestly id prefer if they just removed/nerfed SR and toxic spikes) and completely rebalanced them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 18:39:20 No.20507242 Report

Quoted By:

>>20507091
TS doesn't really need a nerf, IMO.
A lot is flat out immune to it, or removes it from play by simply being switched in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 18:44:40 No.20507313 Report

Quoted By: >>20510935

>>20506552
not implying anything - by it, just that it could be justified.

I'd be cool with it being SE against water and ghost in particular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 18:46:09 No.20507330 Report

Quoted By: >>20511003

>>20499294
>Resists water
>Resists dragon
>no longer weak to Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 18:46:58 No.20507336 Report

Quoted By:

Hail gives ice-types a buff to both defensive stats and halves the effectiveness of supereffective damage done to ice types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 18:55:50 No.20507422 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499313
>frostbite
Frozen condition is already op, though it could use a move with a higher freeze rate at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:01:47 No.20507478 Report

Quoted By:

>>20504639
I approve of this. That's the kind of buff hail needs to be viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:02:46 No.20507491 Report

Quoted By:

As peoplehave said, needs fairy resist, and then one more. Electric? Grass? Hell, even normal, ice is pretty hard.
Give ice types access to better stab. 100bp, 100 acc no effect special move, and a 90bp, 90acc physical with a chance to flinch or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:17:27 No.20507688 Report

Quoted By: >>20507973 >>20511031

>>20506600
>He's basically the only dragon that has a use for that move.
>What is LO Sheer Force Bagon in LC

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:40:38 No.20507973 Report

Quoted By:

>>20507688
I guess you got me there.
I've literally never played LC, so it's not something I'd think of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:41:20 No.20507986 Report

Quoted By: >>20508018

Ice is the same thing as water, just in a different state. Water resists water, So Ice should resist water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:44:34 No.20508018 Report

Quoted By: >>20508166

>>20507986
It's funny how much better water types are at being ice types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:48:36 No.20508062 Report

Quoted By: >>20508258

In Hail, all non-Ice pokemon have their speed reduced one stage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:57:02 No.20508166 Report

Quoted By:

>>20508018
Yeah water types totally counter Multiscale Dragonite! Oh wait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 19:57:32 No.20508175 Report

Quoted By: >>20508214

>>20499343
Different approach anon: "No Traction" Ice-type entry hazard. When a pokemon enters, it may be randomly switched for another pokemon in the opponent's team.

An entry-hazard Roar-like effect.
>P1 puts out ice-type
>P2 puts out his setup guy
>P1 uses No Traction
>P2 sets up for a sweep
>P1 attacks, no KO.
>P2 baton passes, their sweeper comes in...
"Sweeper can't stop sliding around!"
"Sweeper returned to P2"
"Random Team member was sent out!"
>P1 drinks tears of P2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:00:26 No.20508214 Report

Quoted By: >>20511051

>>20508175
The shuffling would be ridiculous
>P1 gets up rocks/spikes
>P1 uses No Traction
>P1 uses Whirlwind
>X was dragged out!
>X can't stop sliding around!
>Y was dragged out!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:04:39 No.20508258 Report

Quoted By:

>>20508062
This would be cool.

You'd see AbomaSwine cores a lot, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:13:11 No.20508367 Report

Quoted By: >>20508426 >>20508437

>New move
>Flash Freeze
>0 damage
>70% hit chance
>Freezes enemy Pokémon

Ice type fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:16:51 No.20508403 Report

Quoted By:

>>20500726
Why Psychic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:19:18 No.20508426 Report

Quoted By:

>>20508367
I don't know about 'fixed', but if that stayed ice-type exclusive, rather than something you could throw onto water types, those pokemon would see a LOT more use

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:19:57 No.20508437 Report

Quoted By: >>20508448

>>20508367
>infinite duration Freeze on 70% acc.
>balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:20:40 No.20508448 Report

Quoted By: >>20508473 >>20508485

>>20508437
Give it like 5 PP and I'd say it works

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:21:09 No.20508456 Report

Quoted By: >>20508478 >>20508510

>>20499294

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:22:38 No.20508473 Report

Quoted By: >>20508485

>>20508448
No. That would be too over-powered.
>forcing everyone to carry a Cleric because of infinite Freeze potential
No thanks.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:23:11 No.20508478 Report

Quoted By: >>20508510

>>20508456
>everthing Ice needs is N

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:23:16 No.20508480 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499313
You sir are a genius.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:23:49 No.20508485 Report

Quoted By: >>20508493

>>20508473
see
>>20508448

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:24:51 No.20508493 Report

Quoted By: >>20508514

>>20508485
>Inducing a potentially permanent stun onto a Pokemon in one turn is balanced.
What?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:27:03 No.20508510 Report

Quoted By: >>20508520

>>20508478
>>20508456

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:27:30 No.20508514 Report

Quoted By: >>20508526

>>20508493
Then give it less accuracy, maybe 60%. With low PP (5) like I suggested, it could very easily become a non-issue. Most Ice-types are slow as fuck and one Accuracy drop or one Evasion boost would fuck it over pretty easily

Questy !j1j.P9bUtM

Questy !j1j.P9bUtM Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:28:02 No.20508520 Report

Quoted By: >>20508534

>>20508510

what

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:28:30 No.20508526 Report

Quoted By: >>20508530

>>20508514
If you reduce it to 60%, why not just go for a Sheer Cold. You're asking for too much, Anon, sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:29:12 No.20508530 Report

Quoted By: >>20508555

>>20508526
>30% is just as good as double itself
:-)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:29:23 No.20508534 Report

Quoted By:

>>20508520

>questy is still alive

she should make new comics. Questy is obviously a FE-M-ALE

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:29:31 No.20508536 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499313
I'd rather "Frostbite" be an ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:31:13 No.20508555 Report

Quoted By: >>20508572

>>20508530
You're not getting a Freeze inducing move. Then Smeargle would have it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:31:33 No.20508564 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499294
Remove its fighting-type weakness, and make water vulnerable to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:32:35 No.20508572 Report

Quoted By: >>20509382

>>20508555
If it was kept to just Ice-types, letting Smeargle get it wouldn't be that big a deal. Smeargle isn't what he used to be anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:35:19 No.20508608 Report

Quoted By: >>20511116

>>20499294
What I would do

Remove weakness to rock.

Buff Hail. Sounds gimmicky but I'd let all Ice moves freeze 30% of the time while hailing and you auto-thaw when the hail is over. You can thaw out normally as usual too.

if not this, then

All moves that make contact do 20% less damage while hailing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:39:39 No.20508673 Report

Quoted By:

>>20503297
If that's the case then Water should be SE to Grass because plants die when they're overwatered save for the ones that are aquatic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:41:19 No.20508700 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499453
Freeze-Dry

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:44:56 No.20508754 Report

Quoted By:

You what makes Ice better? How about making more of them and not keeping most of them locked away until near the end of the game? There's like, 1 or 2 Ice options for your party, and there's a lot of them that are Water/Ice.

At least XY started fixing this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 20:47:55 No.20508799 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499521
I just realized

Aurorus takes SE damage from Stealth Rock, even though it's a Rock. Something should happen for it at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 21:19:47 No.20509302 Report

Quoted By:

>>20503935
>>Can't be poisoned.
That's fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 21:25:13 No.20509382 Report

Quoted By:

>>20508572
>Smeargle isn't what he used to be anyway.
What do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 21:33:59 No.20509536 Report

Quoted By: >>20511152 >>20511178

>>20499294
A Protect that does Damage as well
More attacks that stack with "hail"
More abilities that stack with "hail"
More pokemon with "storm warning(sp?)"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 22:55:54 No.20510935 Report

Quoted By:

>>20507313
The whole "implying" was just me being cheeky
I'd like Water and especially Ghost to be nerfed a bit so I'd be fine with that. Ghost to not resist Bug and be resisted by Ground and Rock would be nice, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 22:59:09 No.20511003 Report

Quoted By:

>>20507330
>Also doesn't resist Ground
I never got that; what's sand, soil or mud going to do against ice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:00:55 No.20511031 Report

Quoted By:

>>20507688
LC seems like a very cult/niche/underground tier, though. Most people will think of game-balance in regards to FE mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:02:23 No.20511051 Report

Quoted By: >>20511168

>>20508214
>Whirlwind no blows away a layer of entry hazards at a time, except fro No Traction
delicious_skarmory_tears.wav

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:06:08 No.20511116 Report

Quoted By:

>>20508608
>Remove weakness to Rock
Hey, Rock isn't exactly in need of a nerf.
Maybe remove the weakness to Steel then make Steel SE against Dragon

Both the Hail buffs are pretty nice but I think the resounding cry for "raises Defence by 50%" is really what would make it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:08:18 No.20511152 Report

Quoted By:

>>20509536
>using Icy wind makes Hail do twice as much damage
>Gust, Twister and Hurricane become Ice type in Hail

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:09:21 No.20511168 Report

Quoted By:

>>20511051
>-noW blows away-
wupes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:09:40 No.20511178 Report

Quoted By:

>>20509536
>A Protect that does Damage as well
so spiky shield?

Ign: Ibri (2852-9029-0570)

Ign: Ibri (2852-9029-0570) Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:12:19 No.20511211 Report

Quoted By: >>20511273

>>20499294
Is OP retarded? the reason the ice type is so bad defensively is because ice type attacks score the most super effective attacks when compared to other types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:16:20 No.20511273 Report

Quoted By: >>20511374

>>20511211
>Water types can use them
>no reason to use a weak Ice type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Aug 2014 23:23:47 No.20511374 Report

Quoted By:

>>20511273
I guess I get your point plus Greninja has a stab ice beam and doesn't get the downside of the ice typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Aug 2014 03:24:13 No.20514904 Report

Quoted By:

>>20499448
Look at this faggot talking shit about Lapras
In gen 5 it was in the top 50% best hydration walls in the rain
why can't you just be good lapras

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Aug 2014 03:33:15 No.20515053 Report

Quoted By:

>>20504402
Well you're a faggot.

No one here really gives two shits about your gender we're trying to fix ice types right now.

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