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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:13:25 No.20572548 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20572692 >>20572749 >>20572885 >>20572935 >>20574473 >>20574498 >>20579242 >>20579575

Pachirisu is the MVP of World Championships.

Does anyone have any doubts remaining that Smogon's ruleset is over-centralizing? Almost every Pokemon has a niche unless you play with SINGLES NO SLEEP NO BATON PASS NO SWAGGER NO MEGAS ONLY LEFTOVERS

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:24:23 No.20572661 Report

Quoted By: >>20573826

Garchomp was actually his MVP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:25:29 No.20572692 Report

Quoted By: >>20572718 >>20572749 >>20574691

>>20572548
>Almost every Pokemon has a niche

This is just simply not true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:27:01 No.20572713 Report

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HOLY SHIT. I LOVE THAT GUY/GIRL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:27:30 No.20572718 Report

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>>20572692
lol sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:30:18 No.20572749 Report

Quoted By: >>20573826

>>20572548
this guy is right>>20572692
most pokemon are garbage in the format. Pachy was just an electric type amoonguss with some other tricks like super fang, and redirection that ignored safety goggles and affected grass types. also, everyone losing their shit over this is probably ignorant of the fact that Ray used Escavalier in 2011 to win it, another mon with close to zero usage like pachy. it makes sense coming from /vp/ though.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:32:34 No.20572775 Report

Quoted By: >>20572826 >>20572828

The real MVP was that music. Is there a version without weird skips?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:36:01 No.20572812 Report

Quoted By: >>20572862 >>20572917 >>20573029

So I don't know shit about competitive pokemon, can someone explain how the shit ol' Pachy did it? I've always loved the little guy, but my ultra-pleb single-player-only playstyle has convinced me he was sadly crappy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:37:26 No.20572826 Report

Quoted By: >>20572992 >>20573732 >>20574607 >>20574708

>>20572775
Never mind, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpRlgmm0qzc seems good enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:37:46 No.20572828 Report

Quoted By: >>20572992 >>20573732

>>20572775
I don't see it on youtube, though the BW version of the same song is there. I like the BW version better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPi6hkpz_8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:41:02 No.20572862 Report

Quoted By: >>20572917 >>20573000

>>20572812
Pachirisu has access to a few moves, namely Follow Me, Super Fang, and Nuzzle. Follow Me redirects all of the opponent's attacks towards Pachi, ensuring that his partner can survive. Super Fang halves the HP of the foe, and Nuzzle is a move with 20 BP and is guaranteed to paralyze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:43:07 No.20572885 Report

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>>20572548
Garchomp did all the work like every VGC team

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:46:26 No.20572917 Report

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>>20572812
>>20572862
Not to mention it has Volt Absorb, which gives it a free switch-in on Thunderbolts aimed at Gyarados, or redirect Thunderbolts/T.Wave/etc. with Follow Me.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:48:27 No.20572935 Report

Quoted By: >>20574010 >>20574341

>>20572548
>Smogon's ruleset is over-centralizing

You are legitimately retarded

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:54:47 No.20572992 Report

Quoted By: >>20573001 >>20573732

>>20572826
>>20572828
>you will never hear this music in your own game, even when you're actually battling one of the VGC world champs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:55:49 No.20573000 Report

Quoted By: >>20573018 >>20573020 >>20573029 >>20573039

>>20572862
What makes Nuzzle preferable over Thunder Wave?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:55:57 No.20573001 Report

Quoted By: >>20573048

>>20572992
You could hear it in BW2 vs the downloaded champs in the PWT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:57:47 No.20573018 Report

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>>20573000
Breaks through Taunt, mainly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:57:53 No.20573020 Report

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>>20573000
nothing much
the small damage bonus is an addition

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:58:34 No.20573029 Report

Quoted By: >>20573044 >>20573053 >>20573875

>>20572812
One of the most common tactics in VGC is to use Rage Powder to direct all attacks to the user. Amoonguss is the best mon for this since it's pretty bulky, but everyone prepares for Rage Powder so he used Follow Me which is the same thing but nothing is immune to it. However, the only VGC-legal mon that can use it was Pachirisu, and it had some other decent niches besides being a Follow Me user like Nuzzle, Volt Absorb, and Super Fang.

Anyway OP is retarded and probably a troll. One niche Pokemon making it on the champ's team doesn't prove anything considering the rest of his team were mons common to VGC. By OP's logic Smogon rules aren't over-centralizing because someone topped the OU ladder with Flareon recently.

>>20573000
Nuzzle can't be Taunted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:59:35 No.20573039 Report

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>>20573000
Nuzzle breaks any sashes and can't be taunted. However, it makes contact.

Holy shit am I happy to see Pachi being utilized (and well, too) I was surprised at that bulk. Then again, I use a fast support set for singles..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 05:59:38 No.20573040 Report

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it's doubles though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 06:00:10 No.20573044 Report

Quoted By: >>20574731

>>20573029
>someone topped the OU ladder with Flareon recently
what a time to be alive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 06:00:51 No.20573048 Report

Quoted By: >>20573052

>>20573001
>vs the downloaded champs in the PWT

really regretting skipping out on White 2 now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 06:01:30 No.20573052 Report

Quoted By: >>20573757

>>20573048
You should, it really is the best Pokemon game imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 06:01:33 No.20573053 Report

Quoted By: >>20574731

>>20573029
>someone topped the OU ladder with Flareon recently
Fuck me.
I want to watch a few replays from that guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 07:31:12 No.20573732 Report

Quoted By: >>20574459 >>20580639

>>20572826
>>20572828
>>20572992
>>20572828

Some people in VGC got the battle video from one of the Juniors and where able to unlocked it as Music 12 on the Music Select menu.

If you guys can get the battle vid from any of the champs or runnner ups you can get it too

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 07:34:04 No.20573757 Report

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>>20573052
>it really is the best Pokemon game imo.
mah nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 07:45:06 No.20573826 Report

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>>20572661

Right, do you think it would ever get the chance to carry the team if there wasn't a support to re-direct those wow, Ice Punch and Draco Meteor?

>>20572749

If anything, it's a Amonguss that can bite 50% off a fresh pokemon. That's quite something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 07:53:33 No.20573875 Report

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>>20573029
>However, the only VGC-legal mon that can use it was Pachirisu
Wrong, Lucario has it too. Both Arash and Jeudy had one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 08:07:35 No.20574010 Report

Quoted By: >>20574028

>>20572935
That's because it's smogonfags playing on their smogon sim, they only know how to pick the 'strongest' six. Playing in a tournament is totally different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 08:10:04 No.20574028 Report

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>>20574010
>smogon sim
>implying it's only smogon tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 08:53:40 No.20574341 Report

Quoted By: >>20574697

>>20572935
>5% as many battles as in Smogon OU
Gee, it's like same few people are playing the tier making the usage stats that much more centralized!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 09:13:48 No.20574459 Report

Quoted By: >>20574699

>>20573732
For anyone who has contacts, we beg of you deliver

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 09:17:04 No.20574473 Report

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>>20572548
singles are very different to Doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 09:22:39 No.20574498 Report

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>>20572548
>comparing 6v6 singles to 4v4 doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 09:44:15 No.20574607 Report

Quoted By: >>20579136

>>20572826
>Post game in Z
>An Ace Trainer with different colored clothes sitting on the benches near the fountain in the north part of Kiloude
>"I came to the Kalos region because I heard there are very powerful trainers here. How about a battle?"
>This music starts to play
>"World Champion Se Jun sent out Pachirisu and Garchomp!"

y/n?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 09:51:35 No.20574652 Report

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Seems like i missed it. Where can i see the replay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 10:00:27 No.20574691 Report

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>>20572692
This

You don't see shit like metapod being used with a baton pass or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 10:01:38 No.20574697 Report

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>>20574341
>over 100,000
>not a good sample size

all this damage control

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 10:01:52 No.20574699 Report

Quoted By: >>20580639

>>20574459
Jeudy can since he browses /vp/

He's never going to do it though ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 10:03:27 No.20574708 Report

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>>20572826
This song is so fucking great, why is it finals only ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 10:10:33 No.20574731 Report

Quoted By: >>20574736

>>20573044
>>20573053
i think he was joking to make a point

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 10:11:28 No.20574736 Report

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>>20574731
Other people have been saying somebody topped it with Flareon, I think it actually happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:24:47 No.20579071 Report

Quoted By: >>20579104 >>20579143 >>20579165

>Another shitty player thinking hes smarter than a hive mind community trying every single day to figure out how to balance this game

We need to ban these smogon bashing OPs i'm sick of seeing this every day

Name one good player at this game who hates smogon

There isn't any

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:27:57 No.20579104 Report

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>>20579071
Me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:30:37 No.20579136 Report

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>>20574607
Fuck
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:31:05 No.20579143 Report

Quoted By: >>20579225 >>20579242

>>20579071
>how to balance

lets just ban what we dont like so we dont have to deal with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:32:21 No.20579165 Report

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>>20579071
Verlisify :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:37:12 No.20579225 Report

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>>20579143
Sometimes I can't tell whether people actually believe such things or they're just shitposting to get a rise out of someone. Any help?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:38:31 No.20579242 Report

Quoted By: >>20579517

>>20572548
>Almost every Pokemon has a niche
LOL

Pachi has Follow Me, that's a pretty big deal. Don't pretend it being successful means anything can be successful, cause Pachi is actually useful.
>Does anyone have any doubts remaining that Smogon's ruleset is over-centralizing?
No, not really. There's 134 pokemon that are ranked on the OU viability rankings, meaning they're "officially" considered viable in OU, and then of course there's stuff that has a niche but is just too incredibly niche or situational to warrant a ranking but can still work on select teams.

And then there's just wizards who top the ladder with junk like Mightyena and Flareon.

>>20579143
>Mega Mom is okay
>Mega Gengar is okay
>Blaziken is okay
>Mega Luke is okay
>having all of them simultaneously in the same singles meta is okay

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:41:05 No.20579270 Report

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>singles = doubles
>singles = doubles
>singles = doubles
>singles = doubles
>anything is good if Pachirisu is good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 18:56:45 No.20579427 Report

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>it has a niche
Not good enough. OU is not smog's only format. You also got UU, RU and NU where stuff that would be niche/awful in VGC or OU are top fucking dogs there.

And then Other Metas. Like Samurott is THE BEST pokemon in PU. You'll never see that garbage in doubles. Kingdra was so fucking insane in Mediocre Mons it had to be b&.

Or if you don't like XY that much, every past gen is still there. Can't say that about gen4 and 5 wifi.

So yeah if you take every meta that smogon supports, you get a number of good (not niche, straight up excellent) pokemon that hopelessly dwarfs and doubles meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:03:48 No.20579517 Report

Quoted By: >>20579540 >>20579543 >>20579558 >>20579573 >>20579587 >>20579870

>>20579242
>Mega Mom is okay
>Mega Gengar is okay
>Blaziken is okay
>Mega Luke is okay
The world champion won without any off these Pokemon. So yes, they are okay.

>having all of them simultaneously in the same singles meta is okay
>singles meta
No room to talk. Singles meta is the most standardized piece of garbage and should be played by nobody.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:05:15 No.20579540 Report

Quoted By: >>20579576

>>20579517
>The world champion won without any off these Pokemon. So yes, they are okay.
Wow it's like as if Singles and Doubles are different

>Singles meta is the most standardized piece of garbage and should be played by nobody.
>No stop having fun that way!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:05:22 No.20579543 Report

Quoted By: >>20579576

>>20579517
>The world champion won without any off these Pokemon. So yes, they are okay.

Everyone on /vp/ should be required to take a logic and reasoning class so that they can identify stupid fallacies like this one, before they're allowed on the board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:06:31 No.20579558 Report

Quoted By: >>20579576

>>20579517
Those anons were explicitly talking about Singles.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:07:34 No.20579573 Report

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>>20579517
>standardized
What do you even mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:07:48 No.20579575 Report

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>>20572548
Hey guys, is Ally Switch any good in doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:07:56 No.20579576 Report

Quoted By: >>20579595 >>20579598

>>20579540
No counter to singles being shit? Thought so.

Enjoy your Stealth Rocks and genies.

>>20579543
And?

>>20579558
Fuck off, retard.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:08:45 No.20579587 Report

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>>20579517
Too fucking delusional to be b8

Holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:09:17 No.20579595 Report

Quoted By: >>20579627

>>20579576
>And?

... and your argument is based in a false set of reasoning and logic. Meaning it's wrong.

Why do I need to spell this out for you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:09:28 No.20579598 Report

Quoted By: >>20579627

>>20579576
>No counter to singles being shit? Thought so.
You didn't make a fucking argument, you just said "it's shit."

>Enjoy your Stealth Rocks and genies.
Enjoy your Protect on Everything and Mega Mom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:12:35 No.20579627 Report

Quoted By: >>20579716

>>20579595
>i-it's just wrong becuase I said so
Give me some proof I'm wrong anon.

>>20579598
I called it standardized. First is Deosharp, then genies, then etc, etc. Same shit different battle.

>Enjoy your Protect on Everything and Mega Mom
Man, you mean moves people actually have to predict!?!?! Wow!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:13:30 No.20579638 Report

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Doubles is very different from singles, you realize. A lot of pokemon who don't do that well in singles are able to support their teammates really well in doubles. It's why tiering is basically impossible, since you have to account for combinations of pokemon instead of individuals

Smogon's singles meta isn't even that overcentralized. Although there are some choices more popular than others, the usage manages to stay around or below 20%, and there's still maybe 100 choices considered 'viable'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:19:44 No.20579716 Report

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>>20579627
>I called it standardized. First is Deosharp, then genies, then etc, etc. Same shit different battle.
Deo-D didn't even break 7% usage when Deosharp was at its peak. There's no fucking "standard" team in singles, there never has been, and there's a huge amount of diversity.

Genies are just good pokemon (perhaps too good,) not a team archetype. They shat up VGC 2013 too, you know. And their usage in singles is absolutely dwarfed by Garchomp, Talonflame and Mega Mom's usage in doubles.

>Man, you mean moves people actually have to predict!?!?! Wow!
In doubles you protect, and switch.
In singles you switch, but a lot more often.

There's prediction in both formats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 19:30:56 No.20579870 Report

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>>20579517
>wahhh, smogon forces people to play a certain way!
>you shouldn't be allowed to play game modes I dun like!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Aug 2014 20:29:16 No.20580639 Report

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>>20573732
>>20574699

I got the actual track off youtube, not ingame yet ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpRlgmm0qzc

Anonymous

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