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Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:37:23 No.20636040 View View Reply Original Report

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Is it just me or is this the most forgettable mega of them all, what went wrong?

woah : 0061-0841-0434 (ditto, minccino, dunsparce)

woah : 0061-0841-0434 (ditto, minccino, dunsparce) Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:38:53 No.20636057 Report

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i think it might be my favorite. one of the few i want to use. i've been planning on trying to do some sort of trick room team with it for the maison

>what went wrong
ice type still sucks
weather nerf
slow as shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:39:41 No.20636067 Report

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>>20636040
Poor typing
Not quite enough bulk
Hail isn't as good a weather condition as Drought or Drizzle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:40:19 No.20636076 Report

Quoted By: >>20636110 >>20641784

>Mega_Houndoom.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:40:41 No.20636082 Report

Quoted By: >>20636143

I thought the most underrated one was Mega Aggron seeing how yesterday, it's my first time hearing about Aggron having a Mega Evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:42:40 No.20636110 Report

Quoted By: >>20637378

>>20636076
>less special attack than Chandelure
>basically the same bulk
>weak to Ground, Rock, Fighting, Water, and neutral to fairy
>totally fucked by Keldeo
Mega Manectric masterrace

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:44:37 No.20636143 Report

Quoted By: >>20642442

>>20636082
>not knowing about based dinosaur wall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:46:00 No.20636164 Report

Quoted By: >>20642224

I feel like using the lesser-known megas can actually be viable (at first), as while they aren't as good as their brethren, but people dont always know how to plan for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:46:05 No.20636167 Report

Quoted By: >>20637339 >>20640801 >>20641668

Well the fact that hail as a central team strategy is awful. It doesn't synergize with any types other than ice.
Rain works well with water types and grass types (Ferrothorn, Ludicolo), poison types (namely Toxicroak).
Sun works well with fire and most grass types (anything with Solar Power/Chlorophyll)
Sand works well with rock, ground and steel types.

But Hail?
Ice. Just ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:47:39 No.20636190 Report

Quoted By: >>20636208

>>20636040
it came into a gen where weather was nerfed and can't even be used in trick room because priority:the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:48:50 No.20636208 Report

Quoted By: >>20637174

>>20636190
I wonder if GF has a plan to fix priority:the meta like they fixed Weather wars

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:49:31 No.20636213 Report

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>>20636040
I top cut VGC Nationals with one, and honestly it's underrated. Completely screwed over by fire types, but besides that, there's very little that can beat it one-on-one. With the right support (i.e, trick room) it can be terrifying. It's just that other megas have the potential to be terrifying on any team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:43:50 No.20637000 Report

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It is the worst. I gave it a try, I named it Yukio and it should just commit seppuku

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:46:57 No.20637046 Report

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>>20636040

If you are trying to battle with this dawg, I would use trick room and make him mixed

-giga drain
-ice shard
-earthquake
-blizzard (100% accuracy in hail)

I battled on showdown with this an Cofagrigus that knew trick room. good stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:47:01 No.20637049 Report

Quoted By: >>20637139 >>20642553

I used M-Obama to get my biggest win streak in Battle Maison (161 in Doubles). I'd say it's an underrated Mega. M-Banette and M-Absol are both more forgettable and far worse.

Hunt

Hunt Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:50:49 No.20637116 Report

Quoted By: >>20641516

Why didn't they just make him pure Ice? I mean he's a snowflake and so cold that the wood practically freezes over.

That'd make him at least somewhat viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:51:18 No.20637125 Report

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>>20636040
>People not being aware of how to use it.
>Fire getting a huge boost the same gen as it is introduced.
>General disinterest in using actual Ice Types as opposed to simply carrying the coverage through HP Ice/Ice Beam etc.

Honestly as stated previously there's ways to use it but it certaintly isn't "Trainer's First Sweeper" material. You gotta use Trick Room, provide good defensive support, and generally play a more indirect style of play to get the most out of it.

If you asked me why most people thought it sucked is because they probably tossed it out expecting it to survive all of its weaknesses without any sort of support and tried to Brute Force a Blizzard sweep and got Talonflame OHKOED in one BB.

At the same time however I will not say that it is at all the best mega out there. Still, It has scary stats and if you were to eliminate its primary threats whats to stop it from playing "Hail Hunter" cleaning up anything that cant eat STAB Ice Shards along with Hail and possibly Leech Seed. It definately has potential.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:52:36 No.20637136 Report

Quoted By: >>20639224

>>20636040
Hail didn't deserve the nerf the other weather conditions got.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:52:40 No.20637139 Report

Quoted By: >>20637878 >>20642153 >>20642518

>>20637049
>m absol
>STAB sucker punch
>magic bounce
>big enough sp atk to go mixed
>great baton pass reciever due to stat distribution
>MAGIC FUCKING BOUNCE

Ill agree with m bannette but just because you can't into pokemans doesn't mean he's a bad mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:55:31 No.20637174 Report

Quoted By: >>20637226 >>20637845

>>20636208
Gen 7, priority now only works up to a certain speed level. Priority moves automatically boost a pokemon to a base speed level for that move, but if another pokemon outspeeds that base level, it will still go first.

For example, using aqua jet against a flare blitz Talonflame. Aqua Jet sets the base speed for that move to 120 or something like that and therefore it lets you go first for most things, but Talonflame goes faster anyways since it still outspeeds it. Normal moves just use your base speed as usual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 02:58:47 No.20637226 Report

Quoted By: >>20639251

>>20637174
That wouldn't fix priority's problem. The problem is the STRENGTH of priority. They need to limit its power and make the moves no get boosted stat effects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:07:22 No.20637339 Report

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>>20636167
>Rain works well with water types and grass types (Ferrothorn, Ludicolo), poison types (namely Toxicroak).
Don't forget ice, steel, and bug, because they're weak to fire and rain weakens fire..

>Sun works well with fire and most grass types (anything with Solar Power/Chlorophyll)
As well as anything weak to water

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:09:59 No.20637378 Report

Quoted By: >>20637837

>>20636110

>basically the same bulk

Well at least mega houndoom can actually take a kick to the face without going down like a complete bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:36:41 No.20637717 Report

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>>20636040
I keep thinking that's a final evolutionary line instead of a Mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:40:32 No.20637749 Report

Quoted By: >>20643080

>>20636040
I bet it will see more usage in ORAS.

It will completely counter Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert.
It can OHKO Mega Sceptile with an Ice Shard easily.
It will be able to tank both of Mega Swamperts STAB moves, while cancelling out its rain and being able to OHKO with Wood Hammer (maybe Energy Ball if it's very phyiscally bulky).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:46:37 No.20637837 Report

Quoted By: >>20638000

>>20637378
actually no, the kicks go right through chandelure. Bonus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:47:11 No.20637845 Report

Quoted By: >>20639251

>>20637174

All they need to do for Priority is apply a temporary 1 stage boost to the Pokemon's speed for the turn it uses a priority move.

So something like Talonflame would still go first almost all the time when using Brave Bird, but M-Mawile's Sucker Punch would fail against lots of stuff now too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:51:08 No.20637877 Report

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I really like its design.

Too bad it's not that great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:51:14 No.20637878 Report

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>>20637139
>Hating based Mega Banette

If it wasn't for the rival I would have forgotten about M-Absol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 03:56:41 No.20637951 Report

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A friend's normal Obamasnow made me win BM multi battles to 50.
He just needs to be there while greninja spams blizzard for the victory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 04:00:11 No.20638000 Report

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>>20637837

Well I was talking more about in comparison to regular houndoom. But yeah chandelure gives no fucks about kicks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 05:40:11 No.20639224 Report

Quoted By: >>20639238

>>20637136
Hail needs to boost the stats of Ice-types somehow like Sandstorm does with the Sp.Def of Rock-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 05:41:25 No.20639238 Report

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>>20639224
1.5 boost in every stat besides HP and they'd still be shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 05:42:54 No.20639251 Report

Quoted By: >>20640791

>>20637845
>apply a temporary 1 stage boost to the Pokemon's speed
Nah, I don't think so, like >>20637226 said, the problem is the strength of priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 08:30:26 No.20640791 Report

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>>20639251

The strength of priority is directly related to the strength of the 'mon, not the move. Aqua Jet isn't a great move just by virtue of having priority, it's only really great when used on Crawdaunt because Crawdaunt just happens to be able to make use of it.

Nerfing priority so that things that are more than 1.5x the speed of the priority user would still go first is a sufficient nerf. For example Adamant 252 Spe Mawile wouldn't be able to Sucker Punch anything with more than 298 Speed. That's a pretty big deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 08:33:03 No.20640801 Report

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>>20636167
don't forget electric types also work well with rain

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 10:38:57 No.20641509 Report

Quoted By: >>20641558 >>20641621

>be a grass fag
>Abomasnow's primary typing is grass
>but that terrible as fuck ability and his mega form one ruin everything
FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 10:40:10 No.20641516 Report

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>>20637116
THIS THIS FUCKING THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 10:43:18 No.20641542 Report

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Mega Ampharos

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 10:45:33 No.20641558 Report

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>>20641509
>blizzard with 100% accuracy
>terrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 10:56:57 No.20641621 Report

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>>20641509
Use it in a HailRoom team, it's mega obamas only niche

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 10:59:54 No.20641641 Report

Quoted By: >>20641692

>>20636040

The only things that could've fixed it were either a type change post-mega evolution, or an Ice type buff in general. It's only niche is Hail teams, which suck. Even under Trick Room there's no point using it. If you want a slow Mega use Mawile or Ampharos, this thing is plain garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:01:04 No.20641649 Report

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hail teams are shit
ice types r shit
grass type shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:02:25 No.20641668 Report

Quoted By: >>20641676

>>20636167

Rain also works well with anything that's quads weak to Fire like Scizor, who acts as an amazing pivot in Rain teams to get from your setters to your attackers without wasting turns. It has only one weakness that gets basically nullified under Rain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:03:48 No.20641676 Report

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>>20641668
This
There's a reason why Scizor was king of OU last gen, rain2gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:06:59 No.20641692 Report

Quoted By: >>20641705 >>20641842

>>20641641
>using Mawile or Ampharos over Aboma in TR teams
Are fucking kidding me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:07:50 No.20641697 Report

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>>20636040
Forgettable in singles, maybe. For God knows why Game Freak made it for Trick Room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:08:48 No.20641705 Report

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>>20641692
>not using Mawile in TR

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:11:47 No.20641729 Report

Quoted By: >>20641747

It's actually the best TR mega in VGC thanks to it's coverage with ice move/grass move/ rock slide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:14:42 No.20641747 Report

Quoted By: >>20641771

>>20641729
>best TR mega
No.
>252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 210-248 (106.5 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If you're gonna use a mega in trick room you should use one that isn't weak to a trick room destroyer

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:18:08 No.20641771 Report

Quoted By: >>20641790 >>20641853

>>20641747
Talonflame isn't that common in vgc outside of shitters and one literal rock slide+ quick guard combo kills it. If you aren't packing options to deal with priority you don't know shit about trick room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:19:58 No.20641784 Report

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>>20636040
Forgettable? Maybe by virtue of the fact that people in general don't care for Abomasnow, but I love this mega. Turns a shit design into a cool one.
As far as use, it's terrible. Awful defensive typing made into a tank, ability that's really not all that great (in theory is, but not in practice), and poor speed.
In short, GF needs to stop trying to make defensive Ice types.

>>20636076
Nope.

M-Houndoom might not be OU material, but it's great in UU. Amazing stat spread, and awesome offensive STAB. It's single problem is that they basically gave it a useless ability in today's meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:21:39 No.20641790 Report

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>>20641771
>http://sweepercalc.com/stats/vgc.html
>Number 4. Talonflame
ok.

There's a reason trick room is shit this gen and running another shit mon inside of it just makes it worse.

Mega Obama is trash and even trick room can't save it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:29:16 No.20641842 Report

Quoted By: >>20642420

>>20641692

Mawile is being suspected for being too good on NORMAL teams. On Trick Room it's fucking ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 11:32:43 No.20641853 Report

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>>20641771
>Talonflame isn't that common in vgc
literally the dumbest statement I've heard all day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 12:24:21 No.20642153 Report

Quoted By: >>20642195

>>20637139
What's so great about 115 SAtk without an item?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 12:33:05 No.20642195 Report

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>>20642153
It means you can't get walled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 12:38:07 No.20642224 Report

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>>20636164
true in double battles with passerby just have a charizard counter in the lead
1 guy took me by suprise with opening with mega ab abomasnow wood hammering my blastoise

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 13:10:02 No.20642420 Report

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>>20641842
TR teams have issues with bulky Ground types such as Lando-T, Hippo and Gliscor and Mawile does nothing to fix the issue. Same deal with Amphy. You need ABoma for those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 13:13:18 No.20642434 Report

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>>20636040
Just you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 13:14:31 No.20642442 Report

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>>20636143
When you get to it, you can't get through it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 13:27:05 No.20642518 Report

Quoted By: >>20642532 >>20642587 >>20642839 >>20643088

how to nerf priority:
>make sucker punch and extreme speed 60BP
>gale wings now only gives priority on flying status moves, but talonflame gets a (much weaker) extreme speed to make up for it

>>20637139
absol would be better if it didn't have to mega before it could start bouncing stuff

she does have a nice ass though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 13:29:36 No.20642532 Report

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>>20642518
Trick Room should just reverse all priority.

>protect goes last
>dragon tail goes first

It would be great. Pokemon would hold lagging tail for max priority vital throws.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 13:33:19 No.20642553 Report

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>>20637049
Banette is only bad thanks to how priority is figured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 13:38:40 No.20642587 Report

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>>20642518
If that's an issue for you, which isn't evenm absols biggest issue, then lead with him. Pursuit+coverage moves, 115 base speed + magic bounce = godly anti lead

Really his chief problem is his frailty, for even if he receives boosts, priorty destroys him. A great BP core I made is iron defense scoli/calm mind eespeon/ receiver m absol. This shit is beautiful, and due to iron defense I can drop sash and lead with mental herb to null taunts.
M absol just takes some thinking to use; people don't like him/her because you can't just press x to win

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Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 14:03:08 No.20642839 Report

Quoted By: >>20642922 >>20643088

>>20642518

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 14:10:20 No.20642922 Report

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>>20642839
Thats... that is... a... nice butt Absol-chan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 14:28:45 No.20643080 Report

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>>20636040
Shit typing.
Shit speed.
Shit power for an offensive Mega.
Decent defenses turned to shit by shit typing.
Shit ability, at least for a Mega with Abomasnow's typing but not Mega Tyranitar's power, bulk, speed, and movepool.
There is a way to make a good Ice-type. Mega Abomasnow is what happens when you do the complete opposite of that.
Kickass design though so good going there.
>>20637749
I can't see Mega Swampert or Mega Sceptile taking the standard 6v6 singles metagame by storm. And Obama is getting #shrekt if it tries to switch in on a Mega Swampert with Stone Edge:
(assuming base 160 attack for M-Swamp)
>252+ Atk Swampert Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Abomasnow: 270-318 (70.3 - 82.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>62.5% chance to OHKO with Rocks
>EQ still does 26% minimum if the M-Swamp player is shit at prediction
>M-Swampert will almost certainly be faster

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 14:29:30 No.20643088 Report

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>>20642518
>>20642839
Yes, yes she does

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Aug 2014 14:30:05 No.20643092 Report

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>>20636040

I once OHKOED one in a tourney with a Garchomp running fire blast.

Never came across another after that

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