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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 02:32:36 No.20652836 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20652856 >>20652963 >>20653523 >>20653945 >>20654216 >>20654264 >>20654267 >>20654506 >>20655017 >>20655032

When did you grow out of Smogon tiers?
Me? Eh, I was around 15.
>tfw Verlisify was right

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 02:33:32 No.20652850 Report

Quoted By: >>20652860

Verlisify is a faggot and it doesn't matter if he's right or not, mentioning him at all makes you one too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 02:33:45 No.20652856 Report

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>>20652836
his face is never right

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 02:34:03 No.20652860 Report

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>>20652850
you mentioned him. so.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 02:34:35 No.20652872 Report

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>Verlisify

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 02:37:02 No.20652908 Report

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>Verlisify
l m a o

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 02:39:42 No.20652963 Report

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>>20652836
>there are people on /vp/ right now that still play SmoBan

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:15:45 No.20653523 Report

Quoted By: >>20653624

>>20652836
Hey guys verlis here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:20:41 No.20653601 Report

Quoted By: >>20653645 >>20654142 >>20654372

Either you're 15 now or you're incredibly irrational because they really have not been all that bad in Gen 4 and practically made the game stable in Gen 5.

Garchomp was a problem and was the only non-legendary ban until like the very end where Salamence got the boot but nobody cared because BW were on the way.

Thinking Weather Wars was anything but bullshit is bullshit in itself. Even fucking GF saw that problem and fixed it by changing weather abilities so hard that Politoed went from top tier OU to bottom rank NU within a single generation.

I'd call their recent actions of banning stuff like combinations of baton pass, swagger, and several dozen megas that would've resolved with eachother just fine a bit disagreeable, but before this gen Smogon sent like 3 or 4 things to Ubers and had more event legendaries allowed that VGC/Battlespot was always the more restricted format.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:22:30 No.20653624 Report

Quoted By: >>20653749

>>20653523
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wj1gXUO_gA
>Welcome back Wolf Pack!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:24:06 No.20653645 Report

Quoted By: >>20653716

>>20653601
Yeah but smogon never banned weather wars, just made rain less broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:28:13 No.20653716 Report

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>>20653645
Incredibly less broken to the point of no longer overcentralizing. You didn't 100% need to control the weather anymore to win so running Anti-weather wasn't a necessity and your team didn't auto-lose to kingdra if you weren't holding a tyranitar or an abomasnow in place.

Swift Swim+Drizzle ban stopped weather wars, but there was obviously still going to be weather, just now you could play Pokemon featuring a lot of rain instead of weather featuring sweepers in the back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:30:10 No.20653749 Report

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>>20653624
such a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:35:37 No.20653839 Report

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I never played Smogon rules. I didnt even know what it was until I found this site. I battle my friends and we have been battling each other since we were like 7. I tried playing showdown once and thats the biggest faggot community I've seen. They make us look good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:43:37 No.20653945 Report

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>>20652836
Grew out of it after playing 3 years more or less. I really just play Battle Spot doubles now but it's been way more fun than grinding so my alts didnt fell out of the top 100. I dont bash on Smogonkiddies but I dont feel like playing a game that's obviously made for doubles.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 03:58:56 No.20654142 Report

Quoted By: >>20654229

>>20653601
>Politoed went from top tier OU to bottom rank NU within a single generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:02:27 No.20654186 Report

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Verlisify is streaming right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:04:48 No.20654216 Report

Quoted By: >>20654353

>>20652836
who is verlisify and what did he say?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:05:30 No.20654229 Report

Quoted By: >>20654494

>>20654142
It's OU in Gen 5 and now it's bottom rank NU in Gen 6.

How is that wrong

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:08:08 No.20654263 Report

Quoted By: >>20654278 >>20654291 >>20654310 >>20654319 >>20654323 >>20654459

This is considered fair by VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:08:08 No.20654264 Report

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>>20652836
I only started a couple years ago, never really cared much, but jesus they just sink lower and lower with time, it's pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:08:27 No.20654267 Report

Quoted By: >>20654282

>>20652836
The same day I grew out of Pokemon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:09:12 No.20654278 Report

Quoted By: >>20654323

>>20654263
This is banned from VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:09:35 No.20654282 Report

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>>20654267
then why you posting here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:10:15 No.20654291 Report

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>>20654263
git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:11:01 No.20654310 Report

Quoted By: >>20654426

>>20654263
GF wants to nerf parental bond so they know its broken.
They'll probably fuck up and make it even more broken, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:11:59 No.20654319 Report

Quoted By: >>20654458

>>20654263
VGC is a completely different meta game.

Pokemon like Meowstic (really anything with prankster and charm) shits all over Mega Mom.

In singles format Mega Mom is very overpowered.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:12:05 No.20654323 Report

Quoted By: >>20654458

>>20654278
>>20654263
And this literally won VGC

You really seem to forget that it's entirely a different Metagame

Kangaskhan can't even actually use Earthquake at like, half the power it has it in Singles because its damage is split between foes and allies and it doesn't get parental bond on it.

Imagine using Singles Kangaskhan where your opponent got to hit it with two moves on their team per turn, nullifying its bulk and it didn't have ground coverage to actually deal with things that it can't return to death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:14:30 No.20654353 Report

Quoted By: >>20654520

>>20654216
A furfag who makes sets that are "OP" because they feature setup. He claims to be competitive yet lies about his history of "tournament victories." He stirred up a lot of controversy when he posted a smogon hate video.

Between he and smogon, you lose the game the moment you choose a side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:15:41 No.20654372 Report

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>>20653601
Exactly. I love being able to use a lot of legendaries like Jirachi and Raikou that I couldn't with VGC rules.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:19:20 No.20654426 Report

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>>20654310
Yeah, I can definitely see this happening.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:22:10 No.20654458 Report

Quoted By: >>20654521

>>20654319
>>20654323
>people actually think M-Kanga isn't broken in doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:22:13 No.20654459 Report

Quoted By:

>>20654263
The bait is real!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:24:44 No.20654494 Report

Quoted By: >>20654521

>>20654229
It's still incredibly viable in OU even if it's not the meta defining threat it was before.

And it's only NU because Drizzle is banned in every tier below OU. It'd be BL for sure if that was allowed.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:26:16 No.20654506 Report

Quoted By: >>20654519 >>20654739

>>20652836
>good chunk of megas and ghost sword banned
>legitimate strategies involving baton pass and swagger banned
>people will say you don't have to play smogon tiers yet almost no one will battle you unless you do
>powersaves is becoming pokegen 2.0

I... I kind of want to stop playing. This shit is too much. Why didn't we listen to you when there was still time, Verlis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:27:25 No.20654519 Report

Quoted By: >>20654593

>>20654506
There's nothing wrong with pokegen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:27:33 No.20654520 Report

Quoted By: >>20654739

>>20654353
got a link to the video?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:27:34 No.20654521 Report

Quoted By: >>20655156

>>20654458
It's good

It's not nearly as broken as it is in singles

Literally nobody in the top 13 had a Kangaskhan in their team

>>20654494
>It's still incredibly viable in OU even if it's not the meta defining threat it was before.
It really isn't at all actually.
It's as viable as any other "build your team 100% around it and it can survive" thing but there are so many better things to do any job it would want to despite the weather advantage.
>And it's only NU because Drizzle is banned in every tier below OU.
Tier listings are 100% based off usage statistics in the OU singles 6v6 format.
So the only usage statistic that matters is the usage statistic wherein Politoed is its most powerful with drizzle unbanned, and it's NU there.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:34:20 No.20654593 Report

Quoted By: >>20654611 >>20654624 >>20654631

>>20654519
>B-but making the breeding process go faster isn't cheating! R-right guys?
How do you sleep at night?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:36:12 No.20654611 Report

Quoted By: >>20654648

>>20654593
I don't sleep. I have a life and don't want to spend time breeding for more than an hour

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:37:06 No.20654624 Report

Quoted By: >>20654648

>>20654593
>being autistic enough to spend time breeding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:37:45 No.20654631 Report

Quoted By: >>20654914

>>20654593
The end result of breeding and pokegenning can be the exact same, and that's the only thing that matters in battle.
And breeding is boring, worse than a korean mmorpg grind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:39:22 No.20654647 Report

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I stopped caring so much when it stopped being based around usage and more around just banning, since I'm more of the opinion that shit would just sort itself out over time.
But hey, I still play it. I just don't play only it. Some Smogon, some VGC, some rule-less cart battles, it's nice to mix it up every now and again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:39:33 No.20654648 Report

Quoted By: >>20654659 >>20654680 >>20654685 >>20654703 >>20654815

>>20654611
>>20654624
>I don't want to play the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:40:15 No.20654659 Report

Quoted By: >>20654700

>>20654648
It's a choice tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:42:03 No.20654680 Report

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>>20654648
My way > the devs way

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:42:36 No.20654685 Report

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>>20654648
>being autistic about how others play a video game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:44:07 No.20654700 Report

Quoted By: >>20654766 >>20654769 >>20654791

>>20654659
It's also a choice to get a job for money or rob a bank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:44:12 No.20654703 Report

Quoted By: >>20654800

>>20654648
Yeah, no, that sounds about right.

The way the game is supposed to be played is stupid and poorly designed. They should be ashamed of themselves that they made such a needless, asinine barrier to competitive play. If it didn't exist, Pokemon would boon as a competitive game in general.

It's a miracle it's as big as it is. You can pretty much chalk that up to being a result of Pokemon being as big as it is as a franchise.

The metagame is fun. The in game is shit. I choose to play it my way instead. If this offends you, deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:48:33 No.20654739 Report

Quoted By: >>20654770

>>20654506
It's simple. You stop listening to smogon and go play VGC.

>>20654520
It doesn't really take that specific video to know that Ver is full of shit. I'd recommend you check his mic off with TheFlamingSpade (posted under the latter's channel) as a good place to start.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:50:37 No.20654766 Report

Quoted By: >>20654796

>>20654700
>comparing cheating in a video game to committing a crime in real life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:50:48 No.20654769 Report

Quoted By: >>20654796

>>20654700
>Comparing genning as stealing from a bank.

Dude, by the end of the day, it's all the same stuff, the only difference is that genning takes less time. Now if you go full retard and do stuff like making a Lv.1 Typhlosion with Thunder, Surf, Leafstorm and so on, then yes, you deserve to be kicked in the mouth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:50:56 No.20654770 Report

Quoted By: >>20654816

>>20654739
>VGC
>sane bans
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:52:03 No.20654776 Report

Quoted By:

Why the fuck do people have to "choose a side"?

I play multiple different metagames. VGC, which is more true to the original experience however has balance issues, Smogon which preserves balance better but "muh bros", PO which is a different variant of Smogon, and even casual play.

You don't just have to stick to one meta, you know...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:53:21 No.20654791 Report

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>>20654700
Your analogy is shit.

In robbing a bank, you're causing harm to someone else.
In genning, you're causing absolutely no harm or loss. You can achieve the same exact thing a genner can. You just have less time at the end of the process.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:53:51 No.20654796 Report

Quoted By: >>20654908 >>20655875

>>20654766
>>20654769
Using cheat devices is illegal though. I hope every one of you genning motherfuckers gets jailed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:54:26 No.20654800 Report

Quoted By: >>20654825 >>20655093

>>20654703
>Pokemon would boon as a competitive game in general.
Hardly. Pokemon having so many RNG factors would prevent it from becoming anything too serious.

It's like TF2 with random crits, random damage spread, and a whole bunch of new RNG factors added to it too. Unless you controlled all of them, competitive would be a huge mess.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:54:38 No.20654803 Report

Quoted By: >>20654962 >>20655929

>tfw your save file doesn't immediately get deleted if the game detects any mon that is not 100% legitimate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:55:50 No.20654815 Report

Quoted By: >>20654859

>>20654648
I want to play Pokemon Battles
I don't want to play Bike Simulator 2013

It's like playing chess against someone. You go out and buy your pieces to play against the guy but mine are a hologram set I display onto the board because I didn't want to go out and get actual pieces

We're still playing chess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:55:52 No.20654816 Report

Quoted By:

>>20654770
>M-Meh megaskhan is allowe d but not meh slugbaby

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 04:56:44 No.20654825 Report

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>>20654800
It's already big. It doesn't have to be a part of MLG or Starcraft to be considered competitive, and/or a large field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:00:06 No.20654859 Report

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>>20654815
More like

>Have to jog 10 miles to go to the Chess store
>Spend hours deciding and designing what chess set you want.
>Buy a chess set
>Jog back home
>Test the chess pieces
>Realize those chess pieces dont work together
>Jog all the way back
>Re-theorize about the chess pieces you want
>Buy new ones
>Jog back
>Test them
>Realize the design of them is slightly off, but requires a totally new chess piece
>Jog back
>Buy new one
>Jog back
>The new chess addition causes another area of your team to suffer from an unforeseen fault
>Jog back
>rinse and repeat until chess piece is finally bought

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:04:27 No.20654908 Report

Quoted By: >>20655875 >>20655964

>>20654796
We won't. And there aint shit you can do about it.

Until Pokemon fixes their awful system (which, to be fair, Masuda's expressed interest in doing, and they seem to recognize its faults), I refuse to subject myself to such pointless time sinks when easier alternatives exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:04:55 No.20654914 Report

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>>20654631
I've played Korean grind MMOs (Ragnarok Online and Space Cowboy Online). Breeding in Pokémon, at least in Gen VI, is way easier.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:05:46 No.20654921 Report

Quoted By: >>20654938

It's impossible to go back to innocence. You already know about natures and hidden values. You already know how imperfect your Pokemon are unless you waste your time making it otherwise, still knowing that, someone hacked a perfect team in just a few minutes.

You also know that you cannot be a Karenfriend in a competitive environment because beneath the game are just numbers and some numbers are higher than others. A lone Pachirisu amongst a team of common Smogon mons doesn't mean much, tbh.

Pokemon games don't seem worth it to me anymore outside of the main game and collecting (granted that you aren't using online trading because it makes it too easy and pointless).

Then again, I am only a single person with limitations. I'm sad that I can't enjoy the things that other people can enjoy. But I'm happy that I can at least still find something for myself in my favorite childhood-rooted activity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:07:07 No.20654938 Report

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>>20654921
>A lone Pachirisu amongst a team of common Smogon mons doesn't mean much, tbh.
It's not like he wasn't using Mega Gyarados, Gothitelle, and Gardevoir too or anything

Just because you're shit at teambuilding and working to Pokemons' strengths doesn't mean everyone else is.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:09:16 No.20654962 Report

Quoted By: >>20654969 >>20655021

>>20654803
>mfw someone trades you a "illegitimate" Pokemon without you knowing it and your save file gets deleted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:10:53 No.20654969 Report

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>>20654962
>mfw when the genner who's save file got deleted has an easier time getting back to his original state than the breederfag who got rekt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:14:27 No.20655017 Report

Quoted By:

>>20652836
>When did you grow out of Smogon tiers?
>Me? Eh, I was around 15.
So you're underage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:15:05 No.20655021 Report

Quoted By: >>20655170

>>20654962
Are you actually retarded? That wouldn't happen because the person who would have traded it's save file would have already been corrupted by having the illegitimate mon in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:16:28 No.20655032 Report

Quoted By:

>>20652836
>implying that I was ever a smogonfag.
Yeah, no. I like OP stuff too much to care about smogon rules.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:22:33 No.20655093 Report

Quoted By: >>20655811

>>20654800
>having so many RNG factors would prevent it from becoming anything too serious

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:24:35 No.20655109 Report

Quoted By:

Look, I don't even mind pokegen, but you guys trying to justify it by saying it's on the same legitimacy level as mons that were bred from scratch are just as bad as pirates claiming "it's not stealing." I don't even have a problem with pirates either, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're doing anything but taking the easy way out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:29:22 No.20655151 Report

Quoted By:

Reminder that VGC champions also pokegen their mons

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:29:53 No.20655156 Report

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>>20654521
>Tier listings are 100% based off usage statistics in the OU singles 6v6 format.

Wait, do you seriously not know how tiers like RU/NU are classified?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 05:31:39 No.20655170 Report

Quoted By:

>>20655021
Unless they hacked their cart to not shut down when they genned stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 06:01:23 No.20655435 Report

Quoted By:

>Be me
>Find out that my friend plays by Smogon rules
>Argue with him that he shouldn't be playing smogon and should be playing official rules instead
>Keeps telling me bullshit like I don't have to play Smogon if I don't want to
>Decide to settle this with a battle the next time I see him
>Go to Gamestop for the Heracross/Pinsir event
>See my friend there
>Challenge him to a battle
>My team is my in-game team with verlisify sets
>Get destroyed by his obviously hacked OU team
>Turn off my 3DS and throw it on the ground
>Scream names at him while crying
>Security has to come and throw me out of the store
>Run home in tiers

Needless to say we're not friends anymore. Fuck Smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 06:41:29 No.20655811 Report

Quoted By:

>>20655093
>drawing cards is not RNG

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 06:53:20 No.20655875 Report

Quoted By: >>20655963

>>20654908
>>20654796
With the instant gratification that the call of duty generation craves, poke genning wont die that easily. Does it make them better at pokemon? no. Pointing out that they are just little gratification seeking babies only fuels their bullshit more. In my opinion, those of you who dont pokegen or powersave or take shortcuts are the only people I really feel deserve respect when it comes to pokemon. Smogonfags or not, some of you actually put the time in to get the teams you work with and I can legitimately respect that. effort pays off, in one way or another.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 07:04:34 No.20655929 Report

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>>20654803
>if the game detects any mon that is not 100% legitimate
How do you propose they do that? The defining characteristics between a natural pokemon and a properly genned pokemon are exactly the same.

If you look at them side by side, there is literally nothing you can do determine which one is "legit" and which one was fabricated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 07:12:09 No.20655963 Report

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>>20655875
I genned until Gen VI made breeding tolerable (and even then I expedite proceedings a little with a 6IV Ditto, because I can't be arsed to make a stud for each egg group). I've been playing Pokémon since 1998.

So you can shove your "call of duty generation" horseshit right back up your ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 07:12:20 No.20655964 Report

Quoted By:

>>20654908
Pokemon won't be fixed until you can either get multiples of legendaries or they just fucking ban them from tourney play

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Aug 2014 07:14:53 No.20655976 Report

Quoted By:

smogon is a cunt either way

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