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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:24:38 No.20746560 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20746595 >>20746608

Serious question guys. List the "top" fighting threats from last gen that warranted the fairy-fighting dynamic this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:27:36 No.20746595 Report

Quoted By: >>20746605 >>20746624 >>20747510

>>20746560
Keldeo
Terrakion
Conkeldurr
Breloom

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:28:49 No.20746605 Report

Quoted By: >>20746632 >>20746643 >>20747009

>>20746595
so, 4 pokemon are representative of the entire type, 2 of which are legendaries, and one a product of gamefreak's very own minmaxing of stats?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:29:06 No.20746608 Report

Quoted By: >>20746632 >>20746660 >>20747555

>>20746560
>Meinshao
>Conkeldurr
>Toxicroak
>Terrakion
>Lucario

There's more but I'm lazy and my list is already terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:29:37 No.20746624 Report

Quoted By: >>20746640

>>20746595
Blaziken
Lucario
Machamp
Meloetta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:30:35 No.20746632 Report

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>>20746608
i'm adding speed boost blaziken to this, but it's funny how that one and another "top" fighting threat (auradoge) are neutral to fairies, and the rest, see >>20746605

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:31:37 No.20746640 Report

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>>20746624
liar. I like Machamp, but he has been UU since the arrival of his rival the carnie clown construction conkeldurr

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:31:57 No.20746643 Report

Quoted By: >>20746726

>>20746605
When they're amazingly useful and don't exactly drag down the team?

Sure.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:33:22 No.20746660 Report

Quoted By: >>20746679 >>20746744

>>20746608
>Mienshao
>UU
>defenses so weak that even resisted attacks can do major damage
>most powerful STAB is an unreliable move that can remove 50% health if it misses
>said unreliable move can easily miss by using Protect/Detect or by switching to a Ghost-type
>this Pokemon is somehow overpowerd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:34:53 No.20746679 Report

Quoted By: >>20746739

>>20746660
>What is life orb regenerator
>What is prediction
>What is base 105 speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:36:52 No.20746708 Report

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Also Scrafty, Heracross, and Hitmontop were decent (Hitmontop less scary than the first two).

Here's the entire fighting list: http://pokemondb.net/type/fighting

Fighting was just a strong overall type in mons and coverage. Majority are usable and I guess they wanted to do something other than release more Ghosts to deal with them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:37:29 No.20746714 Report

Quoted By: >>20746724 >>20746764

Scrafty was never exactly the threatiest of threats, but it hasn't been mentioned yet. So now I'm mentioning it.

Anyway, think of how many pokémon run fighting-type coverage even now. The problem, though, is that anything that hits steel-types SE is guaranteed to see use.

I personally feel that fairy > fighting actually makes sense. Don't ask me why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:38:05 No.20746724 Report

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>>20746714
Why?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:38:07 No.20746726 Report

Quoted By: >>20746802

>>20746643
>Breloom
>Chlorophyll Venusaur
>Celebi
>Ferrothorn
>amazingly useful and don't exactly drag the team down

guise grass types are broken, gib nerf pls

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:38:33 No.20746739 Report

Quoted By: >>20746751

>>20746679
>a Pokemon is overpowered for having advantages despite having noticeable flaws

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:39:00 No.20746744 Report

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>>20746660
It was still good. Hell Mienfoo is still one of the big "M's" of littlecup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:39:31 No.20746751 Report

Quoted By: >>20746789 >>20747556

>>20746739
When the hell did I say it was overpowered? I was arguing it was a threat. Maybe you should git gud at reading.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:40:27 No.20746764 Report

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>>20746714
>Anyway, think of how many pokémon run fighting-type coverage even now
the same could be said for water type and ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:42:12 No.20746789 Report

Quoted By: >>20746819 >>20746846

>>20746751

So are you arguing that it deserved another weakness or not? Because that's what the thread it about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:43:12 No.20746802 Report

Quoted By: >>20746953

>>20746726
Yeah because grass type coverage isn't resisted by 7 types and grass types also get ways to deal with things that that theyre weak to- oh wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:44:09 No.20746819 Report

Quoted By: >>20746905

>>20746789
>So are you arguing that it deserved another weakness or not?
You want me to argue if one single pokemon deserves a whole additional weakness?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:46:18 No.20746846 Report

Quoted By: >>20746907 >>20746943

>>20746789
Fighting types only had to worry about Flying and Psychic. With Stealth Rocks and Dark types they had even less to worry about. Gamefreak just put a stop to Fighting rising too far ahead of everything else. Yes there's Ghost types but with the new Knock Off mechanics they're barely safe to use as it is.

Fighting is still a good type. This thread is bullshit. inb4 OP claims they were only pretending to be retarded. Fairies have shit for Def anyways. What a "weakness!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:51:34 No.20746905 Report

Quoted By: >>20746943

>>20746819

OP is asking what Fighting-types justified the Fighting nerf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:51:50 No.20746907 Report

Quoted By: >>20746943 >>20746970

>>20746846
and in exchange they made a type that became what it was supposed to stop

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:54:35 No.20746943 Report

Quoted By: >>20746981

>>20746905
Yes, but by saying "it", you imply that I'm talking about Mienshao specifically. It's not a single pokemon, it's the variety, force, and pretty much little ways to counter the type and pokemon of the type. And Knock off buffs would have stopped two of those checks if it weren't for fairies. >>20746846 pretty much got the points down pat.

>>20746907
Fairy isn't exactly dominating the meta anytime soon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:55:25 No.20746953 Report

Quoted By: >>20747014

>>20746802
but that's exactly the point ya dingus. 4 useful/viable pokemon aren't supposed to be representative of the entire type.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:57:18 No.20746970 Report

Quoted By: >>20747002

>>20746907
>Implying fairies are anywhere near that good.
Calling this troll now. Fairies were added to balance the power creep of Dragon, Fighting, and Dark (though Dark really hadn't gotten that far).

Done with your silly shitty thread OP. If you actually hate Fairies so much then compile some hard evidence to defend your claims that these 36 Fairies are making this game unplayable: http://pokemondb.net/type/fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 04:58:20 No.20746981 Report

Quoted By: >>20747009

>>20746943
who is the new king of ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:00:01 No.20747002 Report

Quoted By: >>20747042

>>20746970
>implying fighting types were THAT good to warrant a nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:01:14 No.20747009 Report

Quoted By: >>20747156

>>20746981
I'm going to guess you're referring to GeoXern; that's one pokemon which, granted, has quite a few counters thanks to it not boosting def at all.
Like >>20746605 said, one pokemon is supposed to be representative of the entire type, and its a legendary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:01:27 No.20747014 Report

Quoted By: >>20747037 >>20747170

>>20746953
Its not just the 'Mons'
Fighting coverage is great
Fighting stab is great
120 bp physical movewith a drawback all of them had already, and no chance? Or focus punch? Great
Excellent coverage? Great. What fighting types are lacking moves?

Gf made them too versatile, and ghost/fighting / dark/fighting were goddamn amazing last gen.

You can't say that about say, grass. Or poison. Or lots of other Mons and typings except dragon

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:01:55 No.20747026 Report

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psychic types in fighting type game confirmed.
fucking mewtwo better be the boss

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:02:47 No.20747037 Report

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>>20747014
No chance to miss*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:03:14 No.20747042 Report

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>>20747002
Is that even a real rebuttal?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:11:00 No.20747156 Report

Quoted By: >>20747235 >>20747256

>>20747009
so you agree? you agree that those 4 or so pokemon were innately the strong ones and not the type itself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:12:03 No.20747170 Report

Quoted By: >>20747206

>>20747014
>ghost/fighting

did i miss something here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:14:34 No.20747206 Report

Quoted By: >>20747232

>>20747170
You might be
Ghost/fighting, even in this gen, have a+ neutral coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:15:53 No.20747232 Report

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>>20747206
i just thought for a moment they meant we had a pokemon with a ghost/fighting type

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:16:04 No.20747235 Report

Quoted By: >>20747249

>>20747156
IT'S A TROLL THREAD
EVERYONE RUN AWAY

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:17:04 No.20747249 Report

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>>20747235
>managed to use anon's opinion against himself
>actual tactic in debates
>troll

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:17:27 No.20747256 Report

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>>20747156
Do you even know what you're reading anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:20:53 No.20747301 Report

Quoted By: >>20747309 >>20747413

>op going on about mienshit
>ignoring other points people bring up
Troll thread detected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:21:30 No.20747309 Report

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>>20747301
Either that or OP is underage

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:29:16 No.20747413 Report

Quoted By: >>20747477

>>20747301
>mienshit

And who are you even talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:34:21 No.20747477 Report

Quoted By: >>20747510

>>20747413
Miebshao
As in op keeps saying stuff like "because of these 4 Pokemon" (one group which included mienshao) "fighting needed a Nerf?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:37:07 No.20747510 Report

Quoted By: >>20747555

>>20747477
from what i follow in this disastrous thread, i'm pretty sure that he was referring to >>20746595

mienshao is not on the list?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:39:52 No.20747555 Report

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>>20747510
I thought he was responding to this >>20746608
Although that list has five not four my bad

faggot 4206-6666-9666

faggot 4206-6666-9666 Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:39:52 No.20747556 Report

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>>20746751
you're and idiot :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:40:07 No.20747561 Report

Quoted By: >>20747589 >>20748020 >>20748729

>One year later
>Still ass-blasted about Fairy-types

God, I wish /vp/ was around when Steel and Dark were introduced. The whining would be incredible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 05:42:24 No.20747589 Report

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>>20747561
oh i wouldn't have minded if they actually succeeded in checking dragons instead of screwing up dark and fighting more

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 06:20:52 No.20748020 Report

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>>20747561

Yeah, because a new type being added after over 10 years isn't major at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 08:14:38 No.20748729 Report

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>>20747561
>God, I wish /vp/ was around when Steel and Dark were introduced. The whining would be incredible.
Or even R/S. People were shitting on those games for *not* having any new types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2014 11:57:23 No.20750123 Report

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So we've pretty much come to conclusion that OP is retarded (as usual), right?

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