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Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 08:09:58 No.20791771 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20797295 >>20797307 >>20797342 >>20797728 >>20798321 >>20801606 >>20804443 >>20804461

So /vp/? How do you plan on running this little guy when they're released? What tier do you think it'll end up in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 20:51:56 No.20797263 Report

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NU

x4 weak against ghost and dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 20:54:37 No.20797295 Report

Quoted By: >>20797305 >>20797934 >>20797993

>>20791771
>shit ability
>slow
>horrible weaknesses
RU would be generous for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 20:55:44 No.20797305 Report

Quoted By: >>20797934 >>20806289

>>20797295
you forget shit design

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 20:56:11 No.20797307 Report

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>>20791771
GF fucking blew it by giving it Psychic/Ghost typing and Magician on top of it

Normal/Ghost would have been great

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 20:58:41 No.20797342 Report

Quoted By: >>20797747

>>20791771

when is this getting released?
this one and that volcano thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:06:26 No.20797432 Report

Quoted By: >>20797473

Hoopa was a big disapointment for me in terms of typing/ability. HUGE weakness to popular typings and it's got a shit ability.

It should've gotten Prankster, or even fucking Magic Guard, or something better. What a letdown, GF.

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beandragon 5241-2747-9532 Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:09:13 No.20797473 Report

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>>20797432
m-maybe its HA will save it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:26:34 No.20797728 Report

Quoted By: >>20798033 >>20804464

>>20791771
I really do like Hoopa. But he's just not going to be good competitively. He'll be more of a collection peice, as well as important for a complete national dex.

However, with Mega Diancie, I can see a Mega Hoopa coming to save this little guy.

Volcanion, I love it. He probably won't get a mega, as he is already going to be good in competitive, and his design looks complete, as to where it wouldn't be expanded on with a mega. But who knows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:27:08 No.20797735 Report

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It's slow. Weaknesses are compounded by Achilles heel defense stat. STAB Ghost is great. but lack of Wisp and Recover is disgusting. It'll be banned from NU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:27:42 No.20797747 Report

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>>20797342
Hoopa probably next year, 2015.
Volcanion probably 2016.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:34:06 No.20797836 Report

Quoted By: >>20797884

I appreciate GF trying out new stat spreads at least. Would this thing be any good in Doubles, being immune to fakeout and Hyperspace Hole ignoring protect?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:35:59 No.20797863 Report

Quoted By: >>20797939

>using legandaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:38:02 No.20797884 Report

Quoted By: >>20797911

>>20797836
It won't even be legal in VGC because muh events

great thinking on their part

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:40:12 No.20797911 Report

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>>20797884
kek forgot about that. Generic Scarf Sweeper for life it seems. ind the pursuits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:42:25 No.20797934 Report

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>>20797295
>>20797305
/thread

When the Sinnoh pixies and Mega Banette perform better than this piece of trash you know it does belong to NU and lower.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:42:41 No.20797939 Report

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>>20797863
>that particular Pokéfied reaction image

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:43:15 No.20797950 Report

Quoted By: >>20798033

M-maybe Hoopa will get a Mega so that way it can be viable.
Right guys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:43:45 No.20797952 Report

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>110 attack
>no shadow sneak
>no zen headbutt
>not even fucking shadow claw
Those brick breaks and PuPs are going to be scary though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:47:20 No.20797985 Report

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wait till Z fixes it, otherwise shittier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:47:44 No.20797993 Report

Quoted By: >>20798002 >>20798054

>>20797295
>shit ability

Power Herb+Hyperspace Hole with Magician could actually be an interesting gimmick

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:48:22 No.20798002 Report

Quoted By: >>20798054 >>20798062

>>20797993
Except HH takes a single turn to perform.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:50:50 No.20798033 Report

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>>20797950
See >>20797728

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:52:30 No.20798054 Report

Quoted By: >>20798344 >>20800028

>>20797993
>>20798002
Power Herb Phantom Force should be nice to take out those special walls like Blissey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 21:52:55 No.20798062 Report

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>>20798002
uh... weird, i tought it worked like Phantom Force, i guess i was wrong

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Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 22:10:39 No.20798321 Report

Quoted By: >>20798344

>>20791771
I was talking about this earlier in a chatroom with some other guys, here's what we've deduced

>Won't be OU because of shit defense
>Though it's a reasonable Clefable and Venusaur check
>Only Blissey and Goodra in UU can reliably switch in on it without getting 2ko'd, though Goodra can't fight back and Blissey
>The large amount of Dark mons in UU make it hard to use but they all get catapulted into 2ko range if not Ohko from Focus Blast or Shadow Ball in Sableye's case
>Far too strong for RU
>Magician near useless

Verdict: Let's wait for the Mega since that can't use Magician anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Sep 2014 22:12:26 No.20798344 Report

Quoted By: >>20800028

>>20798321
oops, and Blissey can't do anything back

>>20798054
can i have whatever you're smoking

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Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 01:07:29 No.20800028 Report

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>>20798344
>>20798054 (You)
>can i have whatever you're smoking
It is called speaking facetiously. Obviously a ghost type move cannot hit Blissey wherein the humor is derived.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 01:29:02 No.20800336 Report

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What's sad is that it's too slow and physically frail to do much of anything, but somehow to fast for a damn trick room team. Why, GF, WHY?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 02:47:07 No.20801606 Report

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>>20791771
give this guy reflect type via event and will o wisp and he should be fine as a wall

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 02:47:35 No.20801613 Report

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im fuckin not

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 03:02:41 No.20801851 Report

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Maybe you'll see anodd choice scarfedmax speed version in ou from time to time.
but with shadowsneak and sucker punch being common its guaranteed shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:44:12 No.20803448 Report

Quoted By: >>20803498

You guys shouldn't dismiss that base 150 Special Attack so quickly because of its, that essentially gives it a Shadow Ball and Psychic that are strong as Aegislash and Deoxys-Ns respectively.

That typing really is a thorn defensively and the low speed doesn't help either, however its just enough to outspeed walls so it can make for a great wall breaker in UU/RU.

Hoopa @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid/Modest Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast

and to think that in gen 1, Hoopa would've been the best pokemon ever imaginable.

a girl

a girl Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:53:19 No.20803498 Report

Quoted By: >>20804484

>>20803448
>magician
>choise spex

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:38:57 No.20804443 Report

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>>20791771
>x used KNOCK OFF!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:42:20 No.20804461 Report

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>>20791771
Legitimately one of the most hideous Pokemon ever created.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:42:54 No.20804464 Report

Quoted By: >>20804527

>>20797728
>Mega Hoopa
>base form can't even make the slightest bit of use of its ability since holding megastone
>will get magic bounce

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:46:58 No.20804484 Report

Quoted By: >>20804518

>>20803498
not him but, magician as plan B item. you know, in case of knockoff (if it survives one)

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Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:50:21 No.20804499 Report

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>x4 weak to dark
>x4 weak to ghost
>60 base defense
>70 speed
>instantly dead from shadow sneak and sucker punch

I want it to be good, but I feel like every battle is gonna end in regret

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:56:50 No.20804518 Report

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>>20804484
>4x weakness and 60 base defense
it won't

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:59:15 No.20804527 Report

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>>20804464
This really. I really want Mega Hoopa to be a thing and save Hoopa, but Magician really lowers those chances. Hopefully the Gen 6 starters get Megas so Delphox is also useless with Magician but gets the justification anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 08:59:59 No.20804532 Report

Quoted By: >>20804589

starting with protect, to see if enemy has any dark moves. if it does, switch.

if enemy is fast, use trick room.

phantom force AND Hyperspace hole. with power herb as was suggested before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:01:03 No.20804536 Report

Quoted By: >>20804545

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Destiny Bond yet. Surely there's something you can do with that, r-right? Sucker Punchers would think twice I suppose.

That said, running physical Hoopa probably won't be working out too well unless you want Brick Break for coverage over Focus Miss or something. I imagine high-end RU for this thing. Either that, BL2, or the same UU hell Trevenant dwells in. It definitely won't be good in OU as it is now, but we really don't know what the meta will be like when Hoopa is released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:02:28 No.20804545 Report

Quoted By: >>20804562

>>20804536
Its too slow for Destiny Bond.
Gengar and its Mega can abuse it with the high speed.
Sharpedo has Speed Boost.
Mega Banette has Prankster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:05:13 No.20804562 Report

Quoted By: >>20804577

>>20804545
can you list a pokemon that doesn't have a type advantage anyway? i mean everyone can learn dark moves, but lisst a pokemon that init isn't of superior ground to ghost/psychic.

type is also concept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:07:53 No.20804577 Report

Quoted By: >>20804596

>>20804562
Every fighting type but any dark move will OHKO Hoopa. Its even worse with Magician, because its basically taping a sign on it saying "KNOCK OFF B8" with that x4 weakness. Only a Mega or forme change with different typings can save it unless youre running 5 other Pokemon with Justified for support, but then there's Pursuit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:09:55 No.20804589 Report

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is there an held item which makes you shudder at SE moves or something? if so, do
>>20804532
but remove protect and power herb. instead of protect, put guard split.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:11:29 No.20804596 Report

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>>20804577
yes i meant, with destiny bond. i know that everything can dark ko, but it isn't getting assraped with fighters as it does with m gangar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:15:55 No.20804609 Report

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if you let another pokemon set up a trick room it can totaly be a sweeper.

>1st turn fast pokemon use trick room
>enemy pokemon do something
>2nd turn enemy poemon do something
>if fast pokemon isn't dead by this point, u-turn or volt swtich or even fucking baton pass
>3rd turn hoopa with 150 base sp atk and now, superior speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 09:16:17 No.20804612 Report

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OP here. Thinking about doing a Volcanion thread for usages later. That said, here's the set I plan to run:

Hoopa @ Leftovers/Sitrus Berry
Ability: Magician (fug)
EVs: 4 HP, 252 SpA, 252 Spe
Timid/Modest Nature
-Shadow Ball
-Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Substitute

Sitrus Berry is to possibly make use of Magician after setting up subs. Leftovers doesn't allow ability usage but you don't have the risk of stealing something stupid. I don't have much of it planned out yet honestly, but I agree with the anons saying that it'll be RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 10:49:58 No.20805045 Report

Quoted By: >>20805052 >>20805056

Guys when will we even get Hoopa and Volcanion? Japan got Diancie already right?

Do you guys think we will get them in X/Y or in OR/AS? It would actually be nice to get them before OR/AS so we would have something to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 10:51:56 No.20805052 Report

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>>20805045
Hoopa's next, and it will probably be early next year. Volcanion will be by the time Z/X2Y2 are out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 10:52:30 No.20805055 Report

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Well used in a Trick Room team it could do great in UU or even in OU, but that's about it. Probably BL2 or something like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 10:52:39 No.20805056 Report

Quoted By: >>20805127

>>20805045
Following muh patterns, Hoopa will be for the ORAS 2015 July movie and Volcanion for the Z/XY2 2016 July movie. Volcanion might be released in October 2015 though because Genesect got an early event too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 11:05:36 No.20805127 Report

Quoted By: >>20805132

>>20805056
Meloetta was the one who got an early release, but that was only because BW had 4 event legends

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 11:07:04 No.20805132 Report

Quoted By: >>20805172

>>20805127
Genesect also got one. About nine months before its movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 11:19:31 No.20805172 Report

Quoted By: >>20805211

>>20805132
>Japan got 2 genesects and one of them was shiny
>theyll probably get a Shiny Hoopa too
>we still get nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 11:25:16 No.20805211 Report

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>>20805172
They will be getting shiny Hoopa. I'm almost confident in that. It looks a lot more complete than, say Diancie's.

>yfw 2015 movie has a horde of Hoopa led by a shiny one awakening Primal Kyogre and Groudon for their amusement

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 14:02:43 No.20806289 Report

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>>20797305
Why? I think it has that Meditite vibe to it which is cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 22:16:12 No.20811039 Report

Quoted By: >>20811210

I actually love it, I plan on using it a lot . I wonder what it's other form will be like or it's mega evolution - since we get the ingame hint about it's real power not yet revealed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 22:31:17 No.20811210 Report

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>>20811039
>Mega Hoopa
>exact same design just with expanded levitating rings and a third eye

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