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Hyper Beam changes

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:05:26 No.20802573 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20802578 >>20802656 >>20808125 >>20808297

So, apparently every even semi-competitive player looks at Hyper Beam and its various type switches, takes its 150 BP, divides by 2, then dismisses it as usable only on joke teams.
What could be done to make hyper beam more viable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:06:26 No.20802576 Report

Quoted By: >>20802588

Make it like in Gen 1, where if it KOs the enemy, there's no recharge turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:06:32 No.20802578 Report

Quoted By: >>20802588 >>20802684

>>20802573
Gen one mechanics. If it KOs the opponent, the recharge turn doesn't occur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:07:28 No.20802588 Report

Quoted By:

>>20802576
>>20802578
pretty much
>tfw no scarf porygon-z late game sweeper in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:09:57 No.20802601 Report

Quoted By: >>20802626

I use it on Modest Choice Specs Tauros, it's pretty damn boss

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:10:26 No.20802608 Report

Quoted By: >>20802656

but the physical version of hyper beam (giga impact) has been seen on CB talonflame since it has no moves outside of bb/flare blitz/u-turn and it gives it a win condition against a low health rotom

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:13:30 No.20802626 Report

Quoted By: >>20802802 >>20803634

>>20802601
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tauros Hyper Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 93-111 (13.2 - 15.7%) -- possible 7HKO

Right

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:16:33 No.20802656 Report

Quoted By: >>20802909

>>20802573
>takes its 150 BP, divides by 2
Not only that, the inability to switch out is probably the biggest case for dismissal. A free switch in can cost you the game.

>>20802608
>but I've seen it in this one specific situation
We're looking for ways to make it more viable. I don't think OP was claiming that it doesn't exist at all in competitive play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:19:50 No.20802684 Report

Quoted By:

>>20802578
>Charizard Y banned from uber
stop this line of thinking

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:29:22 No.20802802 Report

Quoted By: >>20803397

>>20802626
>252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey
Who the fuck runs that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:32:24 No.20802836 Report

Quoted By:

Hyper Beam's type mirrors that of its user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:40:03 No.20802909 Report

Quoted By: >>20802930 >>20807755

>>20802656
Good point, didn't think of the free switch in.
The only competitive use of Hyper Beam that I know of is on Porygon-Z, seeming to take Porygon-Z's already high SpA, jack it up as high as possible,use Adaptability to increase STAB to *2, then let loose with one massive attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:42:19 No.20802926 Report

Quoted By: >>20803025 >>20803089 >>20803212 >>20803726

Effectively double Hyper Beam's power to 300 base

Make its type same as the user

Gen 1 mechanics

or two of the three. There should be a Pokemon ability that ignores recharge turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:42:37 No.20802930 Report

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>>20802909
Sylveon can boost up with Calm Mind and then use Pixilate STAB Hyper Beam to fucking nuke anything that doesn't resist it and has at least 85 S.Def

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:51:45 No.20803025 Report

Quoted By: >>20803034

>>20802926
WARNING: POTENTIALLY STUPID IDEA INCOMING XD
Would it make Regigigas broken if Slow Start, in exchange for the 5 turns of stat loss,allowed it to use Giga Inpact and Hyper Beam without the drawback.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:52:59 No.20803034 Report

Quoted By: >>20803074 >>20803374

>>20803025
>XD

get out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:56:45 No.20803074 Report

Quoted By: >>20803612

>>20803034
sorry, I thought it might be a risky idea. Still new to 4chan, have no idea when to use emotocons, if ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 04:58:17 No.20803089 Report

Quoted By:

>>20802926
>Effectively double Hyper Beam's power to 300 base
>Make its type same as the user
this maybe

>Gen 1 mechanics
NO, this alone is too powerful

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:12:13 No.20803212 Report

Quoted By: >>20803216 >>20803260

>>20802926
up to 180 is fine, it won't be better than V-create

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:12:38 No.20803216 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803212
180 it would still be garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:15:28 No.20803239 Report

Quoted By:

Hyper Beam/Giga Impact deal damage equal to half the user's Sp. Atk/Att. Retain recharge effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:17:54 No.20803260 Report

Quoted By: >>20803281

>>20803212
180/2=90
this means that Blast Burn is just as strong as 2 Flamethrowers with more PP( 5<15/2).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:19:59 No.20803281 Report

Quoted By: >>20803354

>>20803260
Except your mon has a 99% chance of getting instantly revenge killed, it's still garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:31:00 No.20803338 Report

Quoted By:

What if you could switch on the recharge turn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:31:56 No.20803354 Report

Quoted By: >>20803394

>>20803281
I mistyped on the PP, and I meant that its still bad.
Bumping it up to 200 BP makes it just as strong as Self-destruct, without it fainting. Its less powerful than 2 Thunders, but more likely to hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:34:14 No.20803374 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803034
I loved that game :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:36:41 No.20803394 Report

Quoted By: >>20803451

>>20803354
>Hyper Beam / Giga Impact

>Becomes the type of the user (if the user is dual-typed, it becomes their primary type)

>300 BP

I like the idea of being able to swap on the Recharge, but that might be broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:36:51 No.20803397 Report

Quoted By: >>20803634

>>20802802
People that want to say Fuck You to everything involving special attackers.

I ran that set once against my friend's Special Team. There were no survivors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:45:28 No.20803451 Report

Quoted By: >>20803502 >>20803539

>>20803394
The only problem I have with Hyper Beam and Giga Inpact changing type is that it leaves little to no reason to use Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon, and Rock Wrecker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:52:33 No.20803493 Report

Quoted By:

Would Hyper Beam and recharge moves become viable if they had 50% recoil damage instead of recharging? (like Head Smash)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:54:01 No.20803502 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803451
good, who cares? you like the name of those moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 05:58:02 No.20803539 Report

Quoted By: >>20803622

>>20803451
>forgetting Roar or Time

seriously though I wish that was actually a good signature move.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:01:08 No.20803568 Report

Quoted By:

I pack Hyper Beam on Megavoir and Aurorus. It's a handy last-resort attack when Hyper Voice or Ice Beam won't cut the mustard. Also that attack animation is splendid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:03:56 No.20803593 Report

Quoted By: >>20803972

Make Power Herb's effect work on recharging moves.

So the user consumes its Power Herb to let itself attack the next turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:06:12 No.20803612 Report

Quoted By: >>20803662

>>20803074
>still new to 4chan
Then don't post until you learn the culture. Alternatively, go back to reddit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:09:16 No.20803622 Report

Quoted By: >>20808002

>>20803539
I knew I probably forgot something.
Would Roar or Time be any good if it reduced the targets speed a lot, because time slowing down?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:10:16 No.20803625 Report

Quoted By:

Create a normal type special attacker with an ability that removes powering up and recharge turns for moves like sky attack and hyper beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:11:56 No.20803634 Report

Quoted By: >>20803670 >>20807988

>>20803397
>>20802626
Find me a special attack besides psyshock/psystrike from any fucking pokemon that that chansey set can't tank.

Seriously shut the fuck up with those calcs. Why not make is 252/252+ Assault Vest Blissey with 3 Amnesias passed to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:14:13 No.20803662 Report

Quoted By: >>20803669 >>20803689 >>20803874 >>20807726 >>20807849 >>20808096 >>20809889

>>20803612
I will be more careful from now on.
Is the idea, other than the emotocon, any good?
I have never been to reddit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:14:43 No.20803669 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803662
Stop posting. Shut the fuck up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:14:45 No.20803670 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803634
uh, I wasn't the original guy. I was just saying that bad players, or ones setting for very specific counter-team builds, can run it.

It's a bad idea, but still hilarious to run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:17:26 No.20803689 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803662
this is toppest tier b8, unless this dude is serious in which case, anon, seriously, stop posting and lurk moar until you get the lingo down pat or else you're just gonna be bombarded by fags telling you to kill yourself

kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:23:02 No.20803726 Report

Quoted By:

>>20802926
>300 BP
Even with Revenge killing in the picture, that's fucking retardedly high...
That almost Guarantees a kill for Exploud.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Exploud Boomburst vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 322-381 (50.1 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 06:47:57 No.20803874 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803662

maybe try reddit. they're probably nicerdumber there.
lurk moar faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 07:04:11 No.20803972 Report

Quoted By: >>20807234 >>20808107

>>20803593
Yes! This would be perfect.

The "no recharge if you KO" idea would just lead to an infinite loop where, if you're fast enough, you'd KO every single mon before they have a chance to act. It's too broken, that's why they changed it in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 16:35:03 No.20807234 Report

Quoted By: >>20807650

>>20803972
Wasn't the "no recharge if KO" a bug, like 99 % of the OP shit in gen 1?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:17:16 No.20807650 Report

Quoted By:

>>20807234
no, just different game mechanics, like crits based on speed, wrap and rage. Stuff like Focus Energy/Dire Hit were bugs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:25:43 No.20807726 Report

Quoted By:

If they introduced an item like Power Herb that worked for second-turn recharge moves then Hyper Beam and its relatives would become much more usable. You get off 2 powerful nukes before becoming setup fodder/dead. In Battle Spot 3V3 at least, it would be pretty dangerous.

>>20803662
You didn't end up coming here due to the whole celebrity porn star nude leaks did you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:28:19 No.20807747 Report

Quoted By:

It's pretty good as a finisher or last resort move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:29:15 No.20807755 Report

Quoted By: >>20807824

>>20802909
Pyroar isnt bad with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:37:19 No.20807824 Report

Quoted By:

>>20807755
I use it on Aururos, ends up bretty powerful with the ability boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:41:18 No.20807849 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803662
I would say never announce that you're new, but you bollocksed that up

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:53:52 No.20807988 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803634
>Find me a special attack besides psyshock/psystrike from any fucking pokemon that that chansey set can't tank.
+2 252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 564-668 (80.1 - 94.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You also forgot Secret Sword, but I get your point, don't worry. I also haven't posted ITT yet so not anyone you're arguing with

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 17:55:24 No.20808002 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803622
>time slowing down?
Actually its more like Dialga roars so loudly, it travels forward in time a few seconds, leaving its body behind (it doesn't just vanish, it still exists), thus the "recharge" turnq

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:00:18 No.20808034 Report

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Easy, put it back to Gen 1 settings where scoring a KO with it negates the remuneration period.

Alternatively, make a consumable hold item that works like power herb only for recharge moves instead of charge up move.

Anything else does not address the problem with the move, which isn't that the damage has to be worth two turns but is actually that using a cooldown move is telegraphing to your opponent "please set up on this turn when you know 100% of the time I won't be able to do anything."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:07:56 No.20808096 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803662
>emotocon
There's a built in spell check you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:09:15 No.20808107 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803972
I disagree. With the power it has, even boosted, there is no way you could sweep most teams with a recharge on KO hyper beam unless they were all already weakened. You don't need a special sponge or a sturdy/focus just to absorb a hyper beam boosted by life orb and a pixilate/refrigerate/etc. Although a super effective will be lights out usually. That's actually the only reason I'm using Hyper Beam as it is right now despite knowing it's shitty. So that sometimes I can finish somebody with Hyper Beam and have it say "it's super effective!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:11:15 No.20808125 Report

Quoted By:

>>20802573
Bring back the gen 1 mechanics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:19:30 No.20808195 Report

Quoted By: >>20808210 >>20808228

Make an item equivalent to power herb but for recharges.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:21:03 No.20808210 Report

Quoted By:

>>20808195
Moxie pyroar hyper bean with this item...or even helioptile

>Oras pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:22:27 No.20808228 Report

Quoted By:

>>20808195
This is actually a pretty logical thing that probably should have been done already. But they're trying to dial back massive damage output these days, so they probably won't let you fire off two beams in a row any time soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 18:30:58 No.20808297 Report

Quoted By:

>>20802573
Make an electric type status move that hits one opponent. It would have one of two effects:
>The user must recharge next turn. If the target was going to use a move that would require recharging, it does not have to recharge.
Or
>The user cuts half its maximum HP. If the target was going to use a move that would require recharging, it does not half to recharge.

This move could also make it so two-turn moves happen in one turn, or that could be a separate move. Seems like a logical move considering the VGC/doubles format emphasis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Sep 2014 20:50:52 No.20809889 Report

Quoted By:

>>20803662
God damn I remember lurking for about 4 months because I was intimidated by
"big bad hackers"
Thanks for the nostalgia trip anon.

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