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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:25:53 No.20861925 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20861936 >>20861948 >>20862260 >>20862393 >>20862478 >>20870249

Is there a bug/grass type that isn't completely fucked and walled by this thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:26:34 No.20861936 Report

Quoted By: >>20861948

>>20861925
mega heracross

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:27:26 No.20861948 Report

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>>20861925

Get something faster than it!
>>20861936

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:29:27 No.20861977 Report

Quoted By: >>20862013 >>20862310

Anything with a Ground move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:29:47 No.20861985 Report

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>Heatran has 77 base speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:32:49 No.20862013 Report

Quoted By: >>20862090

>>20861977

Heracross. But you need to break to Balloon first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:32:50 No.20862014 Report

Quoted By: >>20862052 >>20862059 >>20862310

252 Atk Wormadam-G Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Heatran: 408-484 (126.3 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:36:10 No.20862052 Report

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>>20862014

>What is Air Balloon
>Running 0HP/0+ Def

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:36:38 No.20862059 Report

Quoted By: >>20862116

>>20862014
>Implying it can out speed Heatran

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:39:01 No.20862090 Report

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>>20862013
nah, close combat kills anyway
252+ Atk Mega Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Heatran: 390-458 (101 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:41:11 No.20862116 Report

Quoted By: >>20862825

>>20862059
It can outspeed with a choice scarf and either tailwind/sticky web support

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:53:25 No.20862260 Report

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>>20861925
If it doesn't have an air balloon, Yanmega can KO with HP Ground. Tinted Lens also helps since it otherwise blocks Yanmega's best moves.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:54:43 No.20862280 Report

Quoted By: >>20862310

Scolipede. Im pretty sure a Timid Scarf Tran won't outpace Adament Scoilpede at +1 Speed. While LO EQ OHKOs.
>252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 499-588 (154.4 - 182%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:57:13 No.20862310 Report

Quoted By: >>20862326 >>20863102

>>20861977
>>20862014
>>20862280
>all these people not knowing about the obvious Air Balloon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:58:21 No.20862324 Report

Quoted By: >>20862452

252+ SpA Life Orb Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran in Rain: 424-502 (110.1 - 130.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Breloom Focus Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 512-606 (132.9 - 157.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 398-470 (103.3 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 19:58:23 No.20862326 Report

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>>20862310
>heatran switches in to something that's not EQ.
>balloon pops
>EQ next turn
OP said walling. You can't depend on Air Ballon to wall something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:02:53 No.20862393 Report

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>>20861925
Breloom with drain punch and a focus sash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:07:14 No.20862452 Report

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>>20862324
Adding to that a little more:

252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Superpower vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 494-582 (128.3 - 151.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Surskit Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran in Rain: 350-414 (90.9 - 107.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

212+ Atk Choice Band Scizor Superpower vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 398-470 (103.3 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I even gave all of these calcs leftovers instead of an air balloon to see if it would change anything, and nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:07:59 No.20862458 Report

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EQ from Scolipede
EQ for Close Combat from Mega/Heracross
Focus Punch from Breloom
Hydro Pump from Ludicolo
Superpower Scizor can do a number
Chesnaught has EQ and can live a Lava Plumem especially with some SDef investment
Tangrowth has EQ I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:10:01 No.20862478 Report

Quoted By: >>20862490

>>20861925
Maybe, in inverted battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:11:18 No.20862490 Report

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>>20862478

Maybe if you read the thread you'd realize your stupid point of view has already been debunked.

marieal 2595-2380-0318

marieal 2595-2380-0318 Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:15:12 No.20862532 Report

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breloom or cradily i would think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:20:57 No.20862597 Report

Quoted By: >>20862608

So I think we found a ton of examples. It seems as though despite elemental rock-paper-scisors being one of the main focuses of battling, it is not the end all be all, or at least the system is not as clear cut as it initially appears.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:22:14 No.20862608 Report

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>>20862597
Thanks, narrator.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:23:45 No.20862630 Report

Quoted By: >>20862665 >>20862719 >>20862765 >>20862984

Is there a bug/grass type that has ever been good at anything ever?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:24:16 No.20862638 Report

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>ITT
Imbeciles who don't know Air Balloon pops when struck by a hit. Just hit hit Heatran with any move that's not Poison, Ground, or Fire in the switch in.
>but muh prediction skills cant read on next turn X(
Play Mario instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:26:25 No.20862665 Report

Quoted By: >>20862691

>>20862630
Scizor
Pinsir (no one has mentioned this)
Scolipede
Volcarona (last gen at least)
Venusaur
Amoonguss
Chesnaught
Ludicolo
Ferrothorn
Heracross
Breloom
Celebi
Venomoth (2strongth for UU)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:28:20 No.20862691 Report

Quoted By: >>20862751 >>20862783 >>20862984

>>20862665
read again.

bug/grass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:30:06 No.20862719 Report

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>>20862630
Leavanny is prebby good in NU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:30:45 No.20862730 Report

Quoted By: >>20862753

>+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Pure Power Caterpie Helping Hand Earthquake vs. Level 1 -6 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 894504-1052360 (7454200 - 8769666.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Atheists BTFO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:32:08 No.20862751 Report

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>>20862691
No, and I think there's only like two of those anyway

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:32:10 No.20862753 Report

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>>20862730

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:33:14 No.20862765 Report

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>>20862630
Parasect is a good Kyogre check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:33:20 No.20862769 Report

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Nasty Plot Earth Power Celebi.

Are we talking defensive Heatran with Lava Plume?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:34:37 No.20862783 Report

Quoted By: >>20862987

>>20862691
You mean all 3 of them breh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:39:29 No.20862825 Report

Quoted By: >>20862918

>>20862116
>scarf wormadam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:40:21 No.20862837 Report

Quoted By: >>20862844 >>20862857 >>20862866 >>20862877 >>20862879 >>20862897

Is there a bug/grass type that can beat fucking talonflame, because even if you can survive a brave bird, the best shit you have is inaccurate rock moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:41:05 No.20862844 Report

Quoted By:

>>20862837
Rock Slide Tangrowth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:42:10 No.20862857 Report

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>>20862837
>Put Stealth Rock up
>Talonflame now kills itself after a BB

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:42:26 No.20862860 Report

Quoted By: >>20867895

252+ Atk Shuckle Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 156-184 (40.5 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shuckle: 52-63 (21.3 - 25.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

:')

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:42:59 No.20862866 Report

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>>20862837
Crustle, Cradily, Armaldo
That's pretty much it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:43:43 No.20862877 Report

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>>20862837

252+ Atk Shuckle Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 316-376 (106.3 - 126.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Shuckle: 112-133 (45.9 - 54.5%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:44:09 No.20862879 Report

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>>20862837
Do you mean bug OR grass type?
If so, yes, a ton. Namely a rock slide heracross with a focus sash or some dumb shit like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:45:32 No.20862897 Report

Quoted By: >>20862912

>>20862837

>monotype bug team
>I can't even play anymore because talonflame alone

Best I got is armaldo, who needs like 70% to survive for sure, and still has a chance of missing.

Otherwise there's crustle, but talonLAME will always switch out, until crustle is gone, and the rest of my team is practically paralyzed until talonflame is dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:46:32 No.20862912 Report

Quoted By: >>20862979

>>20862897
>bug monotype

Talonflame got banned from OU Monotype and Bug guys 4OU got Genesect back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:46:53 No.20862918 Report

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>>20862825
And now you have a ded heatran. Sometimes it works, others, don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:51:23 No.20862979 Report

Quoted By: >>20863255

>>20862912

Really? Maybe I'll get back into that one of these days, my funnest days were monotype bug early gen 5 in regular OU. I didn't do fantastic, but I stood a chane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:51:53 No.20862984 Report

Quoted By:

>>20862630
>>20862691

By bug/grass OP means bug OR grass not bug AND grass you stupid bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 20:52:02 No.20862987 Report

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>>20862783
Hey, I didn't bring it up, it was OP asking about them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:00:33 No.20863102 Report

Quoted By: >>20863220 >>20866792 >>20870362

>>20862310
I have literally never thought about this because I run various gravity teams and Heatran has always been a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:09:39 No.20863220 Report

Quoted By: >>20863353

>>20863102

>no bug types that can use gravity

Hitting flying types with earthquake and increased stone edge accuracy would be so useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:12:25 No.20863255 Report

Quoted By: >>20863280

>>20862979
Bugs reached their peak in gen V. Now they're getting shat all over again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:14:04 No.20863280 Report

Quoted By: >>20863382

>>20863255
>Mega Heracross, Pinsir, Scizor
>Scolipede getting Speed Boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:18:16 No.20863353 Report

Quoted By:

>>20863220
Forretress and Genesect both learn Gravity, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:19:48 No.20863382 Report

Quoted By:

>>20863280
Talonflame though
;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:20:44 No.20863400 Report

Quoted By: >>20863418 >>20865552

>Smogon logic
>WAAA I CANT DEFEAT A POKEMON IT HAS 9 SETS SIMULTANEOUSLY

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:21:53 No.20863418 Report

Quoted By: >>20865399

>>20863400

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 23:55:07 No.20865399 Report

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>>20863418
And yet the genies and their copy/paste sets are still allowed.

Smogon a shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 00:05:50 No.20865552 Report

Quoted By: >>20865587

>>20863400
Smeargle has infinite sets yet its hardly a blimp in Smogon's radar

:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 00:07:17 No.20865587 Report

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>>20865552
>blimp on [...]'s radar
Posts like these are a diamond dozen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 01:35:17 No.20866792 Report

Quoted By:

>>20863102
>heatran has always been a joke
>i run gravity
wew laddeh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 02:58:54 No.20867895 Report

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>>20862860
>not STAB SE Flash Cannon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 06:33:45 No.20870249 Report

Quoted By: >>20870261

>>20861925
Gogoat, Venusaur, Rotom-C, Breloom, Shaymin, Tangrowth, Sunflora, Virizion, Ludicolo, Cradily, Sawsbuck, Pinsir, Heracross, Scolipede, Crustle, Armaldo, and Durant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 06:35:05 No.20870261 Report

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>>20870249
Escavalier has Drill Run... but that 4x to fire...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 06:49:30 No.20870362 Report

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>>20863102
>sub 1300 shitter thinking his has any say on this
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