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Mattador - FC: 4484-9231-5498 Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:05:16 No.21081352 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21081428 >>21081570 >>21081572 >>21081778 >>21081852 >>21083258 >>21083712 >>21083738 >>21083789 >>21083870

How does a cartridge player without B/W2 make Umbreon competitively viable? All I can think of so far is using Payback, Protect, Wish and Toxic with a +SpD/-Spe nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:12:06 No.21081428 Report

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>>21081352
_________________________________________________________________________________________git gud_____________________________________________________________________

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:24:10 No.21081570 Report

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>>21081352
I use

Umbreon @Leftovers
252 SpD/252 HP
Calm Nature
-Wish
-Toxic
-Foul Play
-Confuse Ray/Protect

Confuse Ray if you just wanna be annoying as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:24:16 No.21081572 Report

Quoted By: >>21081597 >>21081605

>>21081352
what does it have access to in BW2 that makes it better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:26:07 No.21081597 Report

Quoted By: >>21081771

>>21081572
Foul Play Tutor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:26:43 No.21081605 Report

Quoted By: >>21081771

>>21081572
Foul Play and Heal Bell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:49:04 No.21081771 Report

Quoted By: >>21081816

>>21081597
>>21081605
ah thanks, do you guys think it makes a better wall than sylveon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:49:39 No.21081778 Report

Quoted By: >>21081786 >>21081960

>>21081352
Umbreon isn't competitive even with b/w2

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:50:33 No.21081786 Report

Quoted By: >>21081820 >>21081955

>>21081778
>it's not OU, so it's bad!
It's great in UU, and also pretty decent at checking Aegislash as well, while acting as a solid cleric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:53:30 No.21081816 Report

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>>21081771
It walls different things compared to Sylveon, but Sylveon's typing is pretty damn OP either way, while Umbreon's typing is great offensively, but rather mediocre defensively. I wouldn't say one directly outclasses the other, but Sylveon's probably overall better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:54:11 No.21081820 Report

Quoted By: >>21081832

>>21081786
> its great if you exclude the top 50 Pokemon in the game!
You tier queers are the worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:55:55 No.21081832 Report

Quoted By: >>21081842

>>21081820
OU also excludes the top Pokemon in the game.

It's not bad. Shit like regular Ampharos is bad. Shit like Samurott is bad. It's just not top-tier, which is okay; not every Pokemon needs to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:57:13 No.21081842 Report

Quoted By: >>21081850

>>21081832
No one fucking mentioned OU besides you. OP is playing on cartridge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:58:55 No.21081850 Report

Quoted By: >>21081866

>>21081842
Then why suggest that it's bad if it's objectively not, and is actually sometimes useful? Thanks for addressing the second part of the statement.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 02:58:53 No.21081852 Report

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>>21081352
Payback wall is all I can think of.

> Wish
> Curse
> Baton Pass
> Payback

252 Atk/ 252HP/ 4 Def

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 03:00:04 No.21081866 Report

Quoted By: >>21081884

>>21081850
I never suggested Umbreon was bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 03:02:27 No.21081884 Report

Quoted By: >>21081908

>>21081866
Not competitive typically means "not good" in different wording. If that wasn't you that actually said that, great, but that doesn't mean it wasn't said - especially since I never said /you/ suggested it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 03:04:52 No.21081908 Report

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>>21081884
I never said Umbreon wasn't competitive.

>>21081884
>but that doesn't mean it wasn't said - especially since I never said /you/ suggested it.
You're a special kind of autist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 03:10:21 No.21081955 Report

Quoted By: >>21081967

>>21081786
OU is the standard Smogon metagame. VGC doubles is the official format.
Umbreon is not viable in either of these and is thus not competitively viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 03:11:07 No.21081960 Report

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>>21081778
>Umbreon isn't competitive even with b/w2
So clearly it wasn't you, then?
I fail to see how you're worse than I am in that regard, either. Either way, petty name-calling is useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 03:12:09 No.21081967 Report

Quoted By: >>21082043

>>21081955
Nobody said "standard metagame," however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 03:18:20 No.21082043 Report

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>>21081967
Nobody specified at all so we can only assume they meant the standard.
Is Delphox "Viable" in general just because its strong in RU? No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 04:37:32 No.21082681 Report

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Delphox is viable. It's just not a hyper aggressive sweeper. It requires skill to use correctly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 06:38:26 No.21083258 Report

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>>21081352
I run
snarl
swagger
toxic
wish

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 06:41:07 No.21083273 Report

Quoted By: >>21083289

I'm using a flinch king's rock umbreon. pretty much a standard set but with king's rock and dark pulse.

Umbreon @king's rock
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 def,252 spdef, 4 sp att
-dark pulse
-toxic
-wish
-protect

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 06:44:34 No.21083289 Report

Quoted By: >>21083315

>>21083273
flinch doesn't stack... and it's not fast enough to flinch anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 06:45:07 No.21083293 Report

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Umbreon @ Leftovers
Synchronize - +SpDef -Speed
252 HP - 252 SpDef - 4 Def
-Curse
-Payback
-Wish
-Protect/Toxic/Confuse Ray

Works for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 06:48:25 No.21083315 Report

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>>21083289
i guess you are right :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 07:05:29 No.21083416 Report

Quoted By: >>21083510 >>21083768

CURSE
HOLY SHIT CURSE
SO FUCKING BROKEN ON UMBREON

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 07:32:24 No.21083510 Report

Quoted By: >>21083523

>>21083416
You cant muy serioso

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 07:35:29 No.21083523 Report

Quoted By: >>21083707

>>21083510
>Umbreon can tank most special attacks
>Curse several times with moonlight recovery
>Now he can tank most physical
>Speed is low so Payback absolutely rapes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 07:39:38 No.21083541 Report

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I tackled the Elite Four in Y with my underlevelled semi-competitive team a few days ago, and brought my Umbreon. I use the fourth moveslot for Snarl, which does pitiful damage but it's useful because it lowers the opponent's special attack, letting Umbreon tank more hits and giving you an opportunity to switch in a Pokémon which otherwise couldn't take a strong special attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:31:22 No.21083707 Report

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>>21083523
Not gonna lie, I got rekt by this on wifi

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:34:06 No.21083712 Report

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>>21081352
Just use PokeGen.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:37:39 No.21083738 Report

Quoted By: >>21083770

>>21081352

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:42:17 No.21083753 Report

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>People still use Umbreon as a wall in Gen 6

Sylveon and Vapes are better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:45:44 No.21083768 Report

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>>21083416
Sounds decent but it'd need Heal Bell, no? Otherwise it gets easily worn down by Toxic and crippled by Burn.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
252 Atk/ 252+ SpDef/ 4 Def - speed or something. Maybe go for plus Atk n
Moonlight
Curse
Payback
Iron Tail (fairies)/Toxic / Body Slam (paralysis) / Quick Attack (lol priority) / Sucker Punch (better priority but a second dark move)

It doesn't help that Umbreon doesn't have many good physical moves aside from Payback, so I wouldn't call it "broken". Maybe if it got something like Earthquake or Stone Edge or Iron Head it'd be better.

A Rest set could work well too I guess. Curse/Rest/Payback/Sleep Talk

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:47:36 No.21083770 Report

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>>21083738
Umbreon OP

Admittedly I remember some pretty shitty Umbreon sets in the Battle Tower/Frontier with something along the lines of Toxic/Protect/Double Team/something else

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:47:55 No.21083775 Report

Quoted By: >>21083818 >>21083860

>People getting beaten by curse anything

Curse Ferro is the only exception but even then it's not great.

>Not having a Toxic user
>Not having a phaser

Still, Curse Umbri is good at reking 12 year old passerbys using Mewtwo Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 08:51:53 No.21083789 Report

Quoted By:

>>21081352
Umbreon - Synchronize
@Leftovers

- Double Team
- Detect
- Toxic
- Moonlight

252 HP / 252 SPD / 6 SPE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 09:06:08 No.21083818 Report

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>>21083775
I used a Curse Ferrothorn in my BW main game and later in the battle subway. It was great.

Curse/Power Whip/Gyro Ball/Leech Seed (with Rocky Helmet)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 09:23:12 No.21083860 Report

Quoted By: >>21083875

>>21083775
I use curse Trevenant

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 09:26:05 No.21083870 Report

Quoted By:

>>21081352
Wish
Protect
Toxic
Snarl/Dark Pulse/Payback

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 09:27:07 No.21083875 Report

Quoted By: >>21083941

>>21083860
mah nigga
alas the only good ghost curse user

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Sep 2014 09:37:10 No.21083941 Report

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>>21083875
What about Dusclops?

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