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Resident Stevil !53VVc2czTU Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:02:01 No.21124938 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21124957 >>21125198 >>21125416 >>21129369

>Has resistance to flying
>Has double resistance to fire
>Is the best anti-Talonflame
>has its own awesome ability
>can learn poison fang to fuck up fairy types

Best Gen VI pokemon ever.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:03:26 No.21124957 Report

Quoted By: >>21124979 >>21124989 >>21124993 >>21129155

>>21124938
>Poison fang
>A 50 BP move
>Doing squat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:05:35 No.21124979 Report

Quoted By: >>21124994 >>21125006

>>21124957
>Strong Jaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:06:40 No.21124989 Report

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>>21124957
>How do I pokemanz

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:06:56 No.21124993 Report

Quoted By: >>21125036 >>21126791

>>21124957
But anon, you're forgetting Strong Jaw! It's a 75 BP move!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:07:00 No.21124994 Report

Quoted By: >>21125223

>>21124979
>implying you need a coverage move for fairies
They aren't immune to Stone Edge faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:08:12 No.21125006 Report

Quoted By: >>21125040

>>21124979
>Only hits Whmsicott harder

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Poison Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 150-178 (38 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Tyrantrum Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 151-178 (38.3 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:10:54 No.21125036 Report

Quoted By: >>21125159

>>21124993
>75 BP
>usable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:11:13 No.21125040 Report

Quoted By: >>21125046

>>21125006
>getting 3 hits of stone miss

kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:12:19 No.21125046 Report

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>>21125040
>surviving 3 turns against clefable

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:19:53 No.21125136 Report

Quoted By: >>21125179

Just give us its HA and Outrage already GF I want some Scarf Head Smash shenanigans. In English, it's "Tyrantrum tantrum" and "outrage" so it fits thematically and in Japanese Outrage is "imperial rage" or something which fits Tyrantrum even more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:22:41 No.21125159 Report

Quoted By: >>21125256 >>21125455

>>21125036
Nigga what? Fairies other than Mawile don't have a high enough defense stat to take on a Poison Fang coming off a Strong Jaw boosted Poison fang

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:22:54 No.21125160 Report

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>that ddance smashquake

fucking GF, release rock head already

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:25:04 No.21125179 Report

Quoted By: >>21125195 >>21125225

>>21125136
>yfw they change its HA to be Sturdy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:27:42 No.21125195 Report

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>>21125179
more like defeatest

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:27:53 No.21125198 Report

Quoted By: >>21125227

>>21124938
>is the best anti-Talonflame
u fookin wot m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:30:09 No.21125223 Report

Quoted By:

>>21124994
>Stone Miss

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:30:21 No.21125225 Report

Quoted By: >>21125268 >>21126592

>>21125179
>Sturdy
At least it would be able to perform Dragon Dance more efficiently. A terrible change, but not the worst. What would be bad if it got changed to shit like Unnerve or Inner Focus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:30:32 No.21125227 Report

Quoted By: >>21125266 >>21128412

>>21125198
>doesn't resist U-Turn
It's shit

>once ORAS comes out
>Talonflame used Superpower!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:32:13 No.21125244 Report

Quoted By: >>21125259

Give it the ability Solid Rock.
Then just rock steady for days

(Why doesn't Golem have solid rock...it makes me all kinds of depressed)

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:34:12 No.21125256 Report

Quoted By: >>21125349

>>21125159
Fairies other than Mawile huh? I'll be the judge of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:34:49 No.21125259 Report

Quoted By: >>21125321

>>21125244
>Why doesn't Golem have solid rock
Because it's Rhyperior's thing. Without it, they're go back to being almost the same as eachother again.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:36:00 No.21125266 Report

Quoted By:

>>21125227
>weak to U-Turn

also nice headcanon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:36:35 No.21125268 Report

Quoted By: >>21125300

>>21125225
Doubt they'd change it. It'd appear odd since some Tyrantrum have Rock Head in the Maison.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:39:48 No.21125300 Report

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>>21125268
It's unreleased and they changed Chandelure's HA between generations so I'm not holding my breath if it we do not get HA Tyrantrum within this generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:42:45 No.21125321 Report

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>>21125259
I just want him to shine on like a crazy diamond again.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:45:50 No.21125349 Report

Quoted By:

>>21125256
oh shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:51:40 No.21125416 Report

Quoted By: >>21125612 >>21126299

>>21124938
Dont forget thunder fang. 1HKO after brave bird or any move if it has life orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:55:06 No.21125455 Report

Quoted By: >>21125495

>>21125159
Wouldnt mawile not take dmg from poison fang since you know steel?
Anyways thats why it also has fire fang.

My favorite is quick claw tyrantrum no one ever suspects it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 01:58:41 No.21125495 Report

Quoted By: >>21125543

>>21125455
Wow, Quick Claw? Isn't it a bit unreliable? I use a DD Tyrantrum with a Sitrus Berry, even though an Enigma Berry would work better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:03:25 No.21125543 Report

Quoted By: >>21125585 >>21125593

>>21125495
Well its slow already, and besides assault vest(in my opinion) I dont see anything else to use on it. since it has strong jaw I go with Crunch, Fire Fang, Thunder Fang, Ice Fang..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:04:36 No.21125558 Report

Quoted By: >>21125710

>Poison Fang against Fairies
>50 * 1.5 (Strong Jaw) * 2 (Super Effective)
>= 75 * 2
>= 150

>Stone Edge
>100 * 1.5 (STAB)
>= 150

Seriously why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:06:34 No.21125585 Report

Quoted By: >>21125721

>>21125543
Holy shit git gud any time. That set is ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:07:24 No.21125593 Report

Quoted By: >>21125721

>>21125543
How low is your ranking?

Resident Stevil !53VVc2czTU

Resident Stevil !53VVc2czTU Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:09:11 No.21125612 Report

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>>21125416
I tend to give Tyrantrum a Rocky Helmet and bait Talonflame into crashing into him and cause him to suicide. I'll set up stealth rock too just in case he switches out.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:18:23 No.21125710 Report

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>>21125558
>Head Smash neutral base power
>150 * 1.5 (STAB) = 225
When Rock Head comes out, you won't need any other move.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:19:34 No.21125721 Report

Quoted By: >>21125837

>>21125585
Just cause you dont know how to use certain sets doesnt mean shit.

>>21125593
>Implying everyone plays smogon.

My advice to the 2 of you get gewd learn to actually use other viable movesets instead of being smogon copy paste.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:28:28 No.21125837 Report

Quoted By: >>21126134

>>21125721
>Implying only Smogon has rankings

Guess you suck pretty bad then.
That set is not viable, if anything it's reducing a pokemon's potential.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 02:55:56 No.21126134 Report

Quoted By: >>21126307 >>21126361 >>21129178

>>21125837
Even using DD with Earthquake or wasting it as a stealth rock setup you are still better off taking advantage of Strong Jaw until its HA comes out. With strong jaw and the move set i said before your going to 1-2HKO most pokemon.
Fire Fang(97)- Ice, Grass, Bug, Steel
Ice Fang(97)- Grass, Ground, Flying, Dragon
Thunder Fang(97)- Water, Flying
Crunch(120)- Psychic, Ghost (With only 3 typings being not very effective w/ non who resist.)
Thats 11/18 typings that are going to get straight up wrecked. There is a reason why I call my Tyrantrum Wreckosaurus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:02:04 No.21126202 Report

Quoted By: >>21126382

Strong Jaw is a pretty cool ability but Rock Head completely outclasses it on Tyrantrum. STAB Head Smash without recoil is brutal.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:09:49 No.21126294 Report

Quoted By: >>21126575

I thought you could be genuine up until that nickname. Decent b8 m8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:10:14 No.21126299 Report

Quoted By: >>21126575

>>21125416
or he could use his rock stab and not use useless coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:11:10 No.21126307 Report

Quoted By: >>21126444 >>21126575

>>21126134
not who your replying to but the problem is that at base 71 speed you cant outspeed anything.
even if it did 2hko eveything (which it dosent)
its not going to last 2 turns.

>252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 284-336 (93.1 - 110.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

the most common threat in the entire game outspeeds and has a 56% chance to ohko with NO ITEM

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:17:36 No.21126361 Report

Quoted By: >>21126575

>>21126134
Not using stone edge is retarded, and not using DD (unless it's a scarfer) sucks since it's slow.
Is hitmonchan good because it has all elemental punches and iron fist? no, it's still shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:18:57 No.21126379 Report

Quoted By: >>21126510

But anon, best talonflame counter is corsola without contest. It's shit for everything else, but it hardcounters talonflame with everything it got: typing, stats, ability, etc.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:19:23 No.21126382 Report

Quoted By: >>21129320

>>21126202
Tell me about it brah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:24:56 No.21126444 Report

Quoted By: >>21126486 >>21126520 >>21126570

>>21126307
Wow, you know, this is really sound logic. Pokemon can't be good if they have weaknesses, no fucking way. Especially not if they are OHKO'd so easily by shitmon.

Yeah, Garchomp is a shitmon. Don't believe me? Peep this sweet calc

252 Atk Weavile Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 484-576 (135.1 - 160.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Garchomp is outsped and ohko'd by one of the biggest shitmons there is with NO ITEM

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:28:20 No.21126486 Report

Quoted By:

>>21126444
Garchomp kills other things, Tyrantrum kills literally nothing.

Stop being mad and ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:30:32 No.21126510 Report

Quoted By: >>21126732

>>21126379
What about the Grass Natural Gift? Used on occasion to help take out TTar or Scrotom-Wash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:31:06 No.21126520 Report

Quoted By: >>21126584

>>21126444

a-are you stupid? I posted garchomp because its super common.

Do you really want me to post the calcs for the top 20? you wont like the results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:35:16 No.21126570 Report

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>>21126444
Yeah, you forgot to mention how outside of Weavile and Mamoswine nothing else can kill Garchomp that easily, while Tyrantrum has problems with almost anything faster with Earthquake or a Fighting move. Also, Weavile and Mamoswine are by no means shitmons, Weavile just got fuck all for a useful ability.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:35:54 No.21126575 Report

Quoted By: >>21126795

>>21126294
I give nicknames so what. Like my shiny Dedenne Chocolate Pain.

>>21126299
>>21126307
>>21126361
Ya you know 80% acc. Plus the argument of its speed and not surving past one turn or two why waste on DD. Assault Vest or Quick Claw the bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:37:00 No.21126584 Report

Quoted By: >>21126801

>>21126520
No, I was making a point about talking about direct matchup relationships in such a way. Fucking of course if you put it up 1v1 against a top threat it also happens to be weak against it's not going to look good. The answer, obviously, is to use something else against such things, build your team right and don't switch into super effective attacks and play retarded.

Aegislash was a top threat in OU despite being weak to Garchomp. How the fuck did that happen? Pokemon work together in teams of 6, that's what happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:38:01 No.21126592 Report

Quoted By:

>>21125225
>implying the worst ability it could get isn't Pressure

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:52:18 No.21126732 Report

Quoted By: >>21126839

>>21126510
252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Corsola: 308-364 (98 - 115.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

This is with and Adamant spread, but with this Talonflame speed is much lower so it can be revenge killed easily by something else that outspeeds it and resists his Flying moves, like an eletric pokemon. If you use a jolly nature, it falls down to 31% chance of OHKO, but then you have a weaker talonflame without items. It's that old silver bullet argument, as you only got one shot to try this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:56:55 No.21126791 Report

Quoted By:

>>21124993
Why the shit am I laughing at that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:57:09 No.21126795 Report

Quoted By:

>>21126575
>quick claw
>calling others retarded
with max speed investment he's decent after a DD boost. And if you're using the it can't live past one hit arguement you're saying tyrantrum really can't do anything. At least at +1 speed it can attempt to sweep. Combine that with lum berry to shrug off a WoW and you can actually do something useful with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 03:57:29 No.21126801 Report

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>>21126584
The difference being aegi isnt completely useless

9 most commonly used OU usage 1695

>4 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 258-306 (84.3 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

-1 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-T: 228-272 (59.6 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyrantrum: 440-518 (143.7 - 169.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 308-366 (100.6 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Thunder Fang vs. 16 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 266-314 (77.1 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>0 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyrantrum: 189-223 (61.7 - 72.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Thunder Fang vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Rotom-W: 79-93 (25.9 - 30.5%) -- 2.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyrantrum: 845-998 (276.1 - 326.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Crunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 328-388 (108.6 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyrantrum: 411-484 (134.3 - 158.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Thunder Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 242-286 (74.9 - 88.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 320-378 (104.5 - 123.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Fire Fang vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 332-392 (91.9 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

>252 Atk Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 192-228 (62.7 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252+ Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (88 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 218-258 (71.2 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tyrantrum Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 88 Def Ferrothorn: 328-388 (93.1 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

I was curious. out of the top 9 tyrantrum only beats 1 1v1

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 04:00:17 No.21126839 Report

Quoted By:

>>21126732
Sorry, i put the wrong calculations there, as i forgot to fix Corsola's nature.

This is how Adamant Talonflame actually fares against it:
252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corsola: 280-332 (89.1 - 105.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

And this is Jolly Talonflame:
252 Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corsola: 256-304 (81.5 - 96.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

So yeah, even with that Talonflame has to be really careful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 07:02:42 No.21128412 Report

Quoted By:

>>21125227
Tyrantrum doesn't resist U-Turn either faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 09:40:01 No.21129155 Report

Quoted By:

>>21124957
Poison Fang has a nice 50% chance of inflicting Toxic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 09:44:56 No.21129178 Report

Quoted By:

>>21126134
Does anyone have the transparent image of old style sugimori Tyrantrum

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 09:59:30 No.21129249 Report

Quoted By: >>21129269 >>21129352

>mfw i already got a tyrantrum with HA because of powersaves
>mfw you still dont have powersaves
>mfw i also have serperior with contrary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 10:04:49 No.21129269 Report

Quoted By:

>>21129249
Powersaves can't change abilitites

I also have HA totodile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 10:22:50 No.21129320 Report

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>>21126382
This.

Recoiless Head Smash at one point even almost got Aggron into OU, that is just how big a thing it is.

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Resident Stevil !53VVc2czTU Sun 28 Sep 2014 10:29:20 No.21129352 Report

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>>21129249
>he actually believes he can use a Tyrantrum with HA on Battle Spot

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Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 10:33:48 No.21129369 Report

Quoted By: >>21129714

>>21124938
>A shitty Dragon type
>But God among Rock types
Best fucking fossil hands down:

Poison Fang is a waste of an egg slot due to lack of power even WITH Strong Jaw.

Thunder Fang is fine, but overlaps coverage all to fuck with Rock, plus the latter's moves aren't as bait&switchable.

Crunch is very situational, unless you have a raging boner for slaying Cresselia.

Sure Outrage looks nice, I mean yeah get rid of Fairys and go to town. It just sucks that Tyrantrum's weak to most revenge priority as it is when attempting a sweep.

>(Tyrantrum) (M) @ Life Orb/Wide Lens
>Trait: Strong Jaw
>EVs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spd
>Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
>- Head Smash
>- Ice Fang
>- Fire Fang
>- Dragon Dance

Outpace base 122(Greninja) and under after a DD and holy shit will it hurt. Ice+Fire Fang for nearly unresisted coverage and fucking obliterate what remains. Earthquake is also an option, but personally with all the switching from baiting levitators, balloons, and Flying type spam, (not to mention, everything and it's mother are gonna try to revenge kill/out prioritize your "okay" HP as it is) I'd rather KO or at least severely bludgeon what I can before going down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Sep 2014 11:42:06 No.21129714 Report

Quoted By:

>>21129369
>God among Rock types
Tyranitar is better in literally every way.

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