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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 13:44:04 No.21141807 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21141814 >>21141828 >>21141926 >>21142052 >>21142100 >>21143076 >>21143413 >>21145414

95 HP
135 Attack > 155 (+20)
80 Defense > 130 (+50)
110 Special Attack > 130 (+20)
80 Special Defense > 90 (+10)
100 Speed

Broken? Balanced?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 13:45:30 No.21141814 Report

Quoted By: >>21141822 >>21142135

>>21141807
Trash. Rework it again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 13:46:12 No.21141816 Report

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Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 13:47:05 No.21141822 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141814

...

Got a better suggestion? Trash how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 13:48:21 No.21141828 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141807

Oh, right, this is a 'what if these are Mega Salamence's stats?' thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:03:17 No.21141891 Report

Quoted By: >>21141936

Mega Salamence

When it Mega Evolves, its Defense stat soars. With its already high stats climbing even higher, this becomes an even more promising Pokémon than before.

so what I think:

95 HP
135 Attack > 155 (+20)
80 Defense > 110 (+30)
110 Special Attack > 130 (+20)
80 Special Defense > 110 (+30)
100 Speed

I don't think they give it more speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:09:10 No.21141926 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141807
broken.

broken without any stat boost.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:10:32 No.21141935 Report

Quoted By: >>21141965

>yfw Gamefreak gives it +15 to speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:10:46 No.21141936 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141891
This one seems manageable. I'd personally go

95 hp
155 atk (+20)
140 defense (+40 since they specially mentioned defense)
130 special attack (+20)
100 special defense (+20)
100 speed

Aerialate is damn good. Still think it's going to Ubers because of variety of sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:13:49 No.21141956 Report

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>give it attack
>broken because HO
>give it defence
>broken because easy set up/prio dulling
>give it special attack
>broken because actual special movepool and totally balanced hyper voice
>give it special defence
>broken because easy set up
>give it speed
>broken because HO
>give it any combination of the above
>gets the benefits of ALL the above because its stats are already that high

Fuck this pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:15:12 No.21141965 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141935
>give it ANY speed at all
>le dagron dance faec

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:17:28 No.21141980 Report

Quoted By: >>21142034

Is there a mega that's gets as low as 20+ to its primary attacking stat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:17:37 No.21141982 Report

Quoted By: >>21141990 >>21141998 >>21142050 >>21143340

I hate it. Garchomp was supposed to be the chosen one and then this fucker potentially gets one of the best megas ever. I know Mega Chomp isn't worse but it could have been so much more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:18:48 No.21141990 Report

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>>21141982
if chomp had DD the mega would be objectively better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:19:53 No.21141998 Report

Quoted By: >>21142021 >>21144028

>>21141982
>implying Mence wasn't the chosen one all along
Why do you think Charizard-X, the best dragon currently, was modeled after Salamence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:24:51 No.21142021 Report

Quoted By: >>21142027 >>21142050 >>21142066 >>21143419

>>21141998
Fuck your genwun "dragon" and pancake dragon. It sucks that every year the power creep is making it harder for Garchomp. The mega was its chance but they fucked it up but then they're giving Salamence of all things a better mega. I can only hope it doesn't get a speed increase cause that's retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:25:46 No.21142027 Report

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>>21142021
Expect it to be faster than Latios, you've just jinxed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:26:45 No.21142034 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141980

Absol, Mawile, Venusaur, and Scizor all get 20.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:31:30 No.21142050 Report

Quoted By: >>21142096

>>21141982
>>21142021
A Garchomp fan crying how delicious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:31:44 No.21142052 Report

Quoted By: >>21142072

>>21141807
You can allocate the 100 points any way at all and it would still be broken.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:32:59 No.21142066 Report

Quoted By: >>21142096 >>21143296

>>21142021
>Garchomper complaining about power creep
You're hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:33:39 No.21142072 Report

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>>21142052
...shit you're right. Still hoping for some speed though, gotta go fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:37:21 No.21142096 Report

Quoted By: >>21142102 >>21142117 >>21142299 >>21142577 >>21143340 >>21143419 >>21145361

>>21142050
>>21142066
>retards supporting GF's idea of balancing
Give Salamence a good mega but give Garchomp DD too if you're going to subtract fucking speed from it. I mean, it's not like they care about balance with what they're planning for Salamence who has DD and Intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:38:13 No.21142100 Report

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>>21141807
>talking about def increase
>mfw it's gonna be mega garchomp with dragon dance
god help us all

both of its non-mega abilities are also really useful for helping the mega, not a lot of megas have this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:38:30 No.21142102 Report

Quoted By: >>21142110 >>21142111 >>21142117

>>21142096
The game is balanced for VGC not singles. DD sucks the devil's ass in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:39:31 No.21142110 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142102
In VGC*, Sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:39:39 No.21142111 Report

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>>21142102
Then how about not removing speed from it in the first place. 102 was fine.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:41:09 No.21142117 Report

Quoted By: >>21142131

>>21142096
>Game Freak
>balance
You're hilarious.
>>21142102
>implying VGC is balanced
>implying more than half a dozen Megas are viable there
>implying Mega Salamence's Hyper Voice isn't going to rape VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:44:00 No.21142131 Report

Quoted By: >>21142143

>>21142117
>implying Salamence's Boomburst isn't going to rape VGC
FTFY :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:44:46 No.21142135 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141814
+50 def is broken as fuck, you must be a scrub. ololol at you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 14:46:04 No.21142143 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142131
>implying Mega Salamence isn't going to rape
Perfection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:13:04 No.21142299 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142096
>wah wah mega garchomp sucks

This is incredible. I can't even fathom how in the world anyone in their right mind could possibly complain about Garchomp, even if its Mega is shit

This is a pokemon which has top percentage use in every single format, especially VGC. Probably the definition of competitive play itself.

what. the. fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:15:39 No.21142320 Report

Quoted By: >>21142330

I dont think its reasonable to assume it wont get a boost in speed by becoming a jetplane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:17:30 No.21142330 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142320
I think it is reasonable to assume it will get a boost in speed by becoming a jetplane*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:19:45 No.21142347 Report

Quoted By: >>21142457

Thoughts?

95 HP
135 Attack > 155 (+20)
80 Defense > 120 (+40)
110 Special Attack > 120 (+15)
80 Special Defense > 100 (+20)
100 Speed > 105 (+5)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:20:58 No.21142361 Report

Quoted By:

>100 speed
yeah it's worthless

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:21:18 No.21142363 Report

Quoted By:

So is it safe to assume that Drake will ever use Mega Salamence in ORAS?
That would be fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:21:34 No.21142367 Report

Quoted By: >>21142391 >>21142403 >>21142436

So will all pseudo legends get Megas along the line? Tyranitar, Garchomp, Metagross, and Salamence got the goldy treatment, and Dragonite is inevitable. Hydreigon would be a great addition too, because it's been suffering lately as is. That begs the question though, if this is the case, then does that mean that in the far future... Mega Goodra?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:24:24 No.21142391 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142367
>That begs the question though, if this is the case, then does that mean that in the far future... Mega Goodra?
If it finally makes Goodra good then it's fine by me. A pseudo not being OU in its own debut gen is a fucking travesty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:25:29 No.21142403 Report

Quoted By: >>21143092

>>21142367
>mega goodra
>it's all burly and has a crotch bulge
GOODRAFAG BTFO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:26:27 No.21142409 Report

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Mega Salamence should have a huge stat increase in it's attack to make it at least 3rd behing Mega Hera and Mewtwo X

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:29:10 No.21142436 Report

Quoted By: >>21142671 >>21143010 >>21144055

>>21142367
>Mega Hydreigon
>It becomes Dragon/anythingbutdark
That's all I ask

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:31:21 No.21142457 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142347
I think you need to learn to math, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:34:04 No.21142481 Report

Quoted By: >>21142505 >>21143340

Daily reminder Garchomp will always be the superior dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:37:46 No.21142505 Report

Quoted By: >>21142544

>>21142481
Except he's not Rayquaza

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:44:52 No.21142544 Report

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>>21142505
>Rayquayqauy's Base Speed is 95
>Chomp's is 102
>252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rayquaza: 428-506 (121.9 - 144.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 15:50:23 No.21142577 Report

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>>21142096
You're the only retard here. A Garchomp fan actually complaining that Garchomp is worse than another Dragon for the first time ever. Shut the fuck up with your baby tears you retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:02:22 No.21142671 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142436
Gamefuturians pls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:31:33 No.21142987 Report

Quoted By: >>21142997

This should get either a speed boost or an attack in order to be ballanced, not both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:32:46 No.21142997 Report

Quoted By: >>21143066

>>21142987
It's going to get a little something in every stat and you know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:34:12 No.21143010 Report

Quoted By: >>21143028 >>21143068

>>21142436
Please, Dragon/Dark is great offensive typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:36:14 No.21143028 Report

Quoted By: >>21143885

>>21143010
>both Stabs walled by a single type
>weak to U-turn
>weak to fighting
>barely usable ghost resist
Hydreigon would improve immensely with the removal of its dark typing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:39:34 No.21143066 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142997
Then may God have mercy on us all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:39:42 No.21143068 Report

Quoted By: >>21145325 >>21146043

>>21143010
>Implying this is not a problem
>Implying every team in VGC '15 I've faced so far didn't have one anyways
0 SpA Klefki Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hydreigon: 168-204 (100 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:40:33 No.21143076 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141807
shit and unrealistic distro
judging from its design id say its gauranteed to get a speed increase, and even if it only gets one point to speed its a major difference.

>mega salemence king of /vp/ late 2014-2015

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:42:06 No.21143092 Report

Quoted By: >>21143174

>>21142403
Gday mate
Wanna fite

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:44:59 No.21143120 Report

Quoted By: >>21143142

Definitely S rank but it'll stay in ou
Weak to rocka and many things that can outspeed it can ohko it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:46:37 No.21143142 Report

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>>21143120
Intimidate + defence boost means free set up all day eryday.
>implying this won't be gen IV Mence all over again.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:49:17 No.21143174 Report

Quoted By: >>21143238 >>21144139

>>21143092
>tfw Australian
>tfw I read this in my own voice

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:53:52 No.21143238 Report

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>>21143174
I wish i was australian. Growing really tired of Europe.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 16:59:15 No.21143296 Report

Quoted By: >>21144445 >>21144522

>>21142066
>Tyranitarfag complaining about powercreep that complains about another powercreep
You are even more hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 17:03:40 No.21143340 Report

Quoted By: >>21143382 >>21143439

>>21142481
>>21142096
>>21141982
Samefag Gen 4 Baby crying because his favourite over designed piece of shit is dead. Delicious

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 17:05:00 No.21143355 Report

Quoted By:

This thread is the biggest shit flinging contest ever. And for /vp/ that really is saying something

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 17:07:47 No.21143382 Report

Quoted By:

>>21143340
Garchomp was never really that broken. Sand Veil was what pushed him over the edge in Gen IV. It was really that + Gen V speed creep that brought it back down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 17:11:16 No.21143413 Report

Quoted By:

>>21141807
That's the same set I suggested 1 month ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 17:11:43 No.21143419 Report

Quoted By:

>>21142021
>>21142096
This has to be the baitest anon ever.
How is the sub 900 ladder going on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 17:14:55 No.21143439 Report

Quoted By:

>>21143340
>Falling for his bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:04:12 No.21143885 Report

Quoted By:

>>21143028
I think you meant Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:15:51 No.21144028 Report

Quoted By: >>21144066

>>21141998
>Charizard X
>Best Dragon

You've never taken a ride on the Kyurem train, have you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:19:13 No.21144055 Report

Quoted By: >>21144087 >>21144198 >>21144235 >>21145378

>>21142436
I could see it being part water. He already learns Surf, and "Hydra" means water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:20:06 No.21144066 Report

Quoted By: >>21144077

>>21144028
I did. in fifth gen. Shuffler set

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:20:49 No.21144077 Report

Quoted By: >>21144149

>>21144066
I dunno anon, I think Dragonite worked better as a shuffler in Gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:22:04 No.21144087 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144055
you mean "hydro"
nigga you stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:26:29 No.21144139 Report

Quoted By:

>>21143174
>"Give me 2 Australian divisions and I will conquer the world" - Erwin Rommel
Why are you such sick cunts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:27:14 No.21144149 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144077
Sub/roost/hone claws/Dtail ripped stall teams apart last gen on Kyube.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:29:11 No.21144169 Report

Quoted By: >>21144187

Tfw going to have to start running sound proof just to counter tutored hyper voices.

I lack an image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:30:36 No.21144187 Report

Quoted By: >>21144575 >>21145289

>>21144169
>>21144169
Soundproof banded Abomasnow with ice shard for Mence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:31:01 No.21144198 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144055
The hydra was a multi-headed serpent in Greek mythology.

Hydro means water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:34:49 No.21144235 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144055
>"Hydra" means water.

areyouaretard.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 18:56:33 No.21144445 Report

Quoted By:

>>21143296
The powercreep began with gen 4 you retard. Besides when was ttar ever broken?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:04:40 No.21144522 Report

Quoted By: >>21144531

>>21143296
>implying I was complaining
Powercreep is a glorious thing. The only 'mons that escape it are either broken beyond reason or else extremely good for non-standard reasons.
Garchomp raised the bar in Gen IV, but at the end of the day it was still yet another speedy Physical attacker. It was only a matter of time before it got shoved aside for the new hotness.
In the coming generations, I suspect even Tyranitar will succumb to the limits of its type and its stats and finally drop out of OU.
Que sera, sera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:05:57 No.21144531 Report

Quoted By: >>21144575 >>21144595

>>21144522
>In the coming generations, I suspect even Tyranitar will succumb to the limits of its type and its stats and finally drop out of OU.
TTar isn't dropping anytime soon unless there is a new Sand setter that outclasses it completely

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:10:37 No.21144575 Report

Quoted By: >>21144728

>>21144187
>Return
>30% chance of Quick Attack or better as an Egg move
>>21144531
It took two generations for Salamence to go from Uber to BL.
Mew and Wobbuffet made the same drop in one.
New or altered mechanics, moves, abilities, and Pokemon can shake things up in an instant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:12:22 No.21144595 Report

Quoted By: >>21144607

>>21144531

Too much broken
loooooooooool

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:13:36 No.21144607 Report

Quoted By: >>21144615 >>21144635 >>21144650 >>21144679 >>21144799 >>21144869

>>21144595
shit I failed. How do you guys do that black spoil thing ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:14:16 No.21144615 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144607
By becoming better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:16:24 No.21144635 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144607
you have to ___________:^)________

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:18:08 No.21144650 Report

Quoted By: >>21144729

>>21144607
Ctrl + S

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:21:08 No.21144679 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144607
you just have to git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:25:10 No.21144728 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144575
Mence fell because of speed creep + team preview in gen V, and he fell to BL in gen VI because Xzard straight up replaced him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:25:14 No.21144729 Report

Quoted By: >>21144809

>>21144650
[Ctrl+S]Like this?[/Ctrl-S]

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:25:32 No.21144733 Report

Quoted By: >>21144892

>M-Salamence will be quick-banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:30:36 No.21144799 Report

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>>21144607
newfags can't spoiler

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:31:12 No.21144809 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144729
Adorable.

ebin

ebin Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:32:45 No.21144826 Report

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[censor]faggots[/censor]

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:36:18 No.21144869 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144607
Just close your eyes and whisper "spoil, spoil, spoil"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 19:38:41 No.21144892 Report

Quoted By: >>21145305

>>21144733
>Salamence but better plus dat double edge nuke
Of course it will

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:10:42 No.21145289 Report

Quoted By:

>>21144187
Tfw abombasnow isn't ORAS native and unusable for vgc 2015

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:12:09 No.21145305 Report

Quoted By: >>21145345

>>21144892
What's interesting is that makes Rotom-W or H basically mandatory on every team to stop that, but Mence just breaks through the standard OU set with 110 base 252ev spatk draco meteor anyways, and can do a lot on that side of things with hydropump/hypervoice/fireblast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:13:38 No.21145325 Report

Quoted By:

>>21143068
>implying that is split damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:16:21 No.21145345 Report

Quoted By: >>21145500

>>21145305
It makes Rotom-W mandatory, H is destroyed by aquatail/hydropump. Of course, Wash might eat a meteor instead and bite the dust.

Basically Mence is Genesect; the revenge. You're only going to know what it's running after you've lost 1 or 2 pokemon. Except this time there's no flawless counter like Rotom-H versus Genesect.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:18:15 No.21145361 Report

Quoted By: >>21145369

>>21142096

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:18:57 No.21145369 Report

Quoted By:

>>21145361
Flygon gets sand rush. Happy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:19:36 No.21145378 Report

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>>21144055
This is one of the most retarded post i have ever seen in my trip to /vp/, and that means a lot.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:22:39 No.21145414 Report

Quoted By: >>21145433

The closest thing this has to a counter (thats relevant in the meta) to all its sets is arguably Rotom-W.

The. Fucking. Washing. Machine.

>>21141807
Just give it aerilate with no item and stat boosts and it's still borderline broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:24:19 No.21145433 Report

Quoted By: >>21145488 >>21145500 >>21145530

>>21145414
Washing Machine is potentially insta-dead to a DM though.
>you thought Wash countered that Mixmence variant, but it was me Skarmory

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:29:55 No.21145488 Report

Quoted By: >>21145511

>>21145433
>le fire blast faec

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:31:03 No.21145500 Report

Quoted By: >>21145550

>>21145345
It's basically Salamence: The Revenge, actually. It's been doing this shit since Gen 4, only now it'll be even better at it. No hard counter switch in exists outside of Ubers, I believe, except for focus sash mamo or something, which is good exactly once, so you're fucked when it switches out.

>>21145433
>fire blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:31:44 No.21145511 Report

Quoted By: >>21145594

>>21145488
>implying DM/return/quake/DD has room for fire blast
Guess I should've specified DDmixmence. Regular Mixmence does have room for both though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:32:33 No.21145530 Report

Quoted By:

>>21145433
>salamence used fire blast!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:33:56 No.21145550 Report

Quoted By:

>>21145500
Really, Mence only came down from ubers because of speed creep making it more manageable. If it gets any faster it really will be gen IV all over again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:37:47 No.21145594 Report

Quoted By: >>21145624

>>21145511
Swap that draco meteor, and you are now countered by rotom-w instead. What, are you going to run 2 pokemon just to counter one set of one mon that has 4 potential sets at least right now, one of which fucks over both?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:39:59 No.21145624 Report

Quoted By: >>21145720

>>21145594
That was exactly my point anon. It only has 2 semi-counters, and each is dependent on the special move it's running. And half the time it could be running both and have no counters instead.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:47:21 No.21145720 Report

Quoted By: >>21145784

>>21145624
Ah I missed that, sorry. At this point I'm mostly interested in how it will stand up to the Uber mons.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 20:52:27 No.21145784 Report

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>>21145720
You know how people ran Salamence and Rayquaza alongside eachother in gen IV? Imagine that but you may be as fast as Latios.

I honestly feel Mence being banned will be entirely dependent on its speed increase. As it stands it feels like a Pinsir/CharX hybrid that would only need to be banned because of its mixed set throwing a wrench at its conventional counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 21:22:27 No.21146043 Report

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>>21143068
>0 SpA Klefki Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hydreigon: 124-148 (73.8 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

BTW, Hydreigon is faster
>252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Klefki: 177-211 (107.9 - 128.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

captcha: league fracco

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 21:31:00 No.21146107 Report

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Personally I'm going to be running a bulkyDD set with roost and Double Edge.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Sep 2014 21:50:58 No.21146321 Report

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>GF makes fairy type
>can't outrage2win anymore
>Megamence gets aerilate
>Thrash2win
Mence confirmed 1 true button.

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