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Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:37:48 No.21164358 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21164368 >>21164375 >>21164394 >>21164395 >>21164576 >>21164615 >>21165986 >>21170648 >>21170728 >>21171029 >>21171241 >>21172059 >>21172886

Gentlemen, how do we fix Ledian? Poor thing has nothing going for it.

Pic unrelated, just attempting to put a hat on a Chesnaught.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:39:05 No.21164368 Report

Quoted By: >>21164374

>>21164358
why do we need to fix it? it a shitmon and we can't do anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:39:50 No.21164374 Report

Quoted By: >>21164558

>>21164368
Give it a signature move that dramatically boosts all of its stats, twice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:40:12 No.21164375 Report

Quoted By: >>21164380 >>21166122 >>21172624

>>21164358
You don't. Shitmons are supposed to exist.

Almost every early-route shitbuge from every gen is like this. Only Vivillon is worth anything competitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:41:22 No.21164380 Report

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>>21164375
>vivillon
>worth anything beside collecting patterns

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:46:34 No.21164394 Report

Quoted By: >>21164484 >>21166256

>>21164358
It needs an evolution, and then a mega. Its stats are just too poor to be saved with a mere hold item unfortunately

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:46:40 No.21164395 Report

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>>21164358
>That pic

Well done

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:51:11 No.21164419 Report

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Give it electric attacks including Volt Tackle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 14:57:07 No.21164450 Report

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Change its name to Shittybeetle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:06:23 No.21164484 Report

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>>21164394
this

40% !//v.13zk5M

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40% !//v.13zk5M Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:20:54 No.21164544 Report

Quoted By: >>21164910

Mega-Ledian, Bug/Ground

55 / 35 / 70 / 115 / 110 / 115

+20 Def
+60 Sp. Att
+20 Speed

Ability: Mirror Wings (Removes entry hazards and places them on the opponents side instead)

Give it Quiver Dance and Earth Power.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:22:33 No.21164558 Report

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>>21164374
It's got Baton Pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:25:54 No.21164576 Report

Quoted By: >>21164900 >>21165878

>>21164358
Give it a Mega with some sort of ability like "Fair Fight" where the adjacent opponent's stats change into the same as Mega Ledian's. Give Ledian some sort of move that makes it excellent at fighting something with the same stats as itself.

If it's gonna be a shitmon, it's gonna pull it's opponents into its grave with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:26:37 No.21164579 Report

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Give it a legitimate evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:32:57 No.21164608 Report

Quoted By: >>21164844 >>21164847

Don't fix it. He's an early game bug; he's meant to be shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:33:55 No.21164615 Report

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>>21164358
give it an ability that boosts its stats depending on how many fainted pokemon you have in your party

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 15:41:01 No.21164658 Report

Quoted By: >>21164876 >>21166199

Give it a mega evolution

>Mega Ledian
> Bug/Fairy
> Ability: Simple
> Stats
> Atk - 55 (+20)
> Def - 100 (+50)
> Sp.atk - 65 (+10)
> Sp.def - 130 (+20)
> Spe - 95 (+10)

Would make it a great utility/baton pass support

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 16:09:01 No.21164844 Report

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>>21164608
Vivillon would like a word with you anon?

At least most early game bugs can be useful in game and worthwhile. Ledian has nothing going for it outside of a Gen 2 game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 16:09:56 No.21164847 Report

Quoted By: >>21164918 >>21164920

>>21164608
It would be going against the spirit of pokemon for any pokemon to be shit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 16:14:45 No.21164876 Report

Quoted By: >>21165657

>>21164658

>a creative solution to Mega Ledian that isn't Huge Power
>actually works
>isn't OP as shit

poffins for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 16:18:14 No.21164900 Report

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>>21164576
I actually really like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 16:19:57 No.21164910 Report

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>>21164544

Ground makes no sense on a ladybug. Make it Fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 16:21:03 No.21164918 Report

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>>21164847

Why is Unown irredeemably shit then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 16:21:38 No.21164920 Report

Quoted By: >>21172442

>>21164847
Are you saying that Magikarp should be just as strong as Gyarados?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 17:47:45 No.21165657 Report

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>>21164876

Thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:14:24 No.21165878 Report

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>>21164576
or have its own stats boosted to that of its opponents

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:20:20 No.21165958 Report

Quoted By: >>21166014 >>21170735

Iron Fist -> Star Fist

Punch moves now are boosted by 4x

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:24:08 No.21165986 Report

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>>21164358
Raise its bst by 200 and change its flying typing to steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:27:38 No.21166014 Report

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>>21165958
>two punch moves

Why not just give it an ability that boosts both it's STABs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:41:03 No.21166122 Report

Quoted By: >>21171030 >>21172567

>>21164375
Except it's not an early-route bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:47:48 No.21166199 Report

Quoted By: >>21166251

>>21164658
You're 10 points too many m88.8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:52:17 No.21166251 Report

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>>21166199

Okay remove 10 points from defense or sp.defense improvements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Oct 2014 18:52:29 No.21166256 Report

Quoted By: >>21170707

>>21164394
>HA is iron fist
>learns many punching moves
>even less attack than Onix

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:01:49 No.21170648 Report

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>>21164358
>ledian
>good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:06:53 No.21170707 Report

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>>21166256
>joltik STILL has more atk than onix

I mad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:09:01 No.21170728 Report

Quoted By: >>21170977

>>21164358
MEGA LEDIAN

BUG/STEEL
WONDER GUARD
NEW MOVES:
WATER SPORT
QUIVER DANCE
BULK UP
MINIMISE

NO STATS NEEDED, YOU'RE A WELCOME.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:09:43 No.21170735 Report

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>>21165958
Or maybe
>punch moves hit 4 times

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:31:38 No.21170977 Report

Quoted By: >>21170981

>>21170728
How the fuck it's supposed to attack, nerd?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:32:41 No.21170981 Report

Quoted By: >>21170998

>>21170977
it isn't.

Bulk up
Quiver dance
Baton pass
kek for days

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:35:24 No.21170998 Report

Quoted By: >>21171013

>>21170981
I'm not going to use a Mega just for Batton Passing.
Into the trash it goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:37:14 No.21171013 Report

Quoted By: >>21172177

>>21170998
literally nothing can stop it from doing it.

you could sweep with a skitty

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:39:46 No.21171029 Report

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>>21164358
He looks annoyed his hat isn't on right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:39:51 No.21171030 Report

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>>21166122
Just the second place in the entire game you can catch Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:52:46 No.21171172 Report

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give it an evolution, then a mega if it's still shitty

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 02:58:40 No.21171241 Report

Quoted By: >>21171343

>>21164358
You can't fix a shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 03:09:09 No.21171343 Report

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>>21171241
mawile

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 04:12:55 No.21171940 Report

Quoted By: >>21172648 >>21173151

It's a good pokemon actually. it just can do neither walling or attacking.

it's an utility pokemon that with baton pass, stat ups and wals can be viable in many team builds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 04:25:41 No.21172059 Report

Quoted By: >>21172179 >>21172196

>>21164358
Mega Ledian
Bug/Fighting
HP: 55
Atk: 35 > 65 (+30)
Def: 50 > 80 (+30)
SpA: 55
SpD: 110 > 120 (+10)
Spe: 85 > 115 (+30)

There.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 04:43:53 No.21172177 Report

Quoted By: >>21172201

>>21171013
>2014
>Not knowing about taunt

thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5

thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 04:44:53 No.21172179 Report

Quoted By: >>21173151

>>21172059
Ability?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 04:47:53 No.21172196 Report

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>>21172059
>65 atk

we are trying to fix it, not ruin it forever

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 04:48:37 No.21172201 Report

Quoted By: >>21172411

>>21172177
>get taunted
>opponent can still do nothing

tip kok

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:18:57 No.21172411 Report

Quoted By: >>21172455 >>21173151

>>21172201
i think the point is ladian get taunted before setting up anything. or just after 1-2 turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:24:39 No.21172442 Report

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>>21164920

Any fully evolved Pokemon then. As of recent gens they seem to be designing a lot of stuff with the metagame in mind, even early route mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:26:22 No.21172455 Report

Quoted By: >>21172491

>>21172411
it then just sits out the taunt while the opponent wonders why this shit is allowed.

thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5

thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:32:20 No.21172491 Report

Quoted By: >>21172510 >>21173151

>>21172455
>sits out
ledian is too fragile for that
with no hp or def, without boosts even as bug/steel it won't survive long

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:33:10 No.21172499 Report

Quoted By: >>21172512 >>21172625

So while we're on the subject of bug Pokemon, why is this guy still Bug/Flying and not Bug/Water? There's literally no reason when Volcarona is Bug/Fire despite flying and having wings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:34:47 No.21172510 Report

Quoted By: >>21172614 >>21172734

>>21172491
>wonder guard
>wonder
>guard
>water sport

nigger are you real

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:35:14 No.21172512 Report

Quoted By: >>21173154

>>21172499

Forgot my pic but you knew who I meant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:42:13 No.21172567 Report

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>>21166122
Ledyba is Route 2 in SS and Route 4 in XY.
Scatterbug is Route 2 and the forest in XY.
Both are early game.

thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5

thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:50:28 No.21172614 Report

Quoted By: >>21173151

>>21172510
oh right, forgot that part

you do have healing moves right? WOW is a thing you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:51:44 No.21172624 Report

Quoted By: >>21172635

>>21164375
I think people resent Ledian's cruddiness particularly, because at least compared to most other early-game bugs, it's very sleek and dangerous looking, and its stat spread is so jarring with that in mind.

It looks like a blazing-fast, moderately powerful physical attacker, but instead it's a special wall with terrible power and mediocre speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:51:47 No.21172625 Report

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>>21172499
>There's literally no reason when Volcarona is Bug/Fire despite flying and having wings.

Moths are attracted to fire. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "Like a moth drawn to flame?" It's also inspired by Mothra from Godzilla who is related to the sun or something.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:53:47 No.21172635 Report

Quoted By: >>21172644

>>21172624

I get what you're saying. There's a lot of non battling bug Pokemon that are fun to collect. They look like something you'd actually catalogue. Shedinja is one of my favourite Pokemon but well, it has 1 HP. Ledian reminds me of Pulse Man. She looks like some sort of superhero.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:55:16 No.21172644 Report

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>>21172635
Another good example is Vivilion, which many people really do collect due to the different pattern thing.

Incidentally I always felt like Bisharp looks like an evil Pulseman, and IIRC there is an evil pulseman in that game somewhere. So...we have two Pokemon that look like Pulseman but one is shit and the other is a badass fighter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 05:56:44 No.21172648 Report

Quoted By: >>21172736

>>21171940
>It's a good pokemon actually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:11:56 No.21172734 Report

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>>21172510
It is still gonna get rekt by any fire move from a decent physical attacker. Water sport reduces power of fire moves by 67% but still bug/steel is 4 times weak against it.
>0 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ledian: 328-388 (104.4 - 123.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Flare bliz power is reduced to 40, Ledian's typing is bug/steel

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:12:11 No.21172736 Report

Quoted By: >>21172801 >>21173151

>>21172648
it's an utility pokemon that relies on a trainer prowess at team synergy.

hers my preffered build for it

Ledian@Light clay
Ability: Swarm
Evs: 252hp/4sdef/252spd
Jolly nature
-U turn
-Safeguard
-reflect
-Light Screen

however, it can also be a baton passer, with various stat raising moves from based agility to tricky silver wind. it needs skill and it isn't standalone, but is usefull.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:27:38 No.21172801 Report

Quoted By: >>21172842

>>21172736
Too frail and slow to setup, baton pass is a given because you can fucking baton pass anything +6 stats.
This thing is a POS and is nowhere near useful on it's own merits. It's at best 3rd rate in everything it could possibly do.

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:34:15 No.21172842 Report

Quoted By: >>21172848 >>21173151

>>21172801
it isn't that slow, and barriers make up for fraility

i took u turn over baton pass because
1. can u-turn while taunted
2. u turn delas some damage (even toug it's very light)
3. walls don't care about baton pass
4. baton pass pass on stats down, for example due to intimidate, as well as various bad effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:36:25 No.21172848 Report

Quoted By: >>21172877

>>21172842
85 is shit m8.

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:42:43 No.21172877 Report

Quoted By: >>21172898 >>21173151

>>21172848
it's true that ledian have troubles against glass canons, but it can move before mons that didn't focus their evs on speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:45:33 No.21172886 Report

Quoted By: >>21172890 >>21172897

>>21164358
How about an ability that guarantees the effects of stat boosting effects? Then give it shit like Charge Beam and Meteor Mash. And Ancient Power if you want top tears.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:46:41 No.21172890 Report

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>>21172886
*Stat boosting attacks; damnit.

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:48:03 No.21172897 Report

Quoted By: >>21173151

>>21172886
it got silver wind, the bufg version of ancient power

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:48:13 No.21172898 Report

Quoted By: >>21172915

>>21172877
glass cannons like garchomp amirite. Frail as fuck those pokemon with more than 85 speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:51:03 No.21172911 Report

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M-Ledian Bug/Fighting

Ability : Iron Fist

Atk: 35--> 115 (+80)
Def: 50-->50
SpA: 55-->35 (-20)
SpD: 110-->120 (+10)
Spe: 85-->115 (+30)

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 06:51:46 No.21172915 Report

Quoted By: >>21172961 >>21173151

>>21172898
jolly ledian with 252 speed evs is faster than garchomp with no speed evs.
garchomp with speed evs will have less evs on other things.

and finally, many pokemons have problems dealing with garchomp. that doesn't make them shit. if you had to bring a pokemon on garcomp level to prove a pokemon is weak than you are doing the opposite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 07:05:33 No.21172961 Report

Quoted By: >>21173010

>>21172915
it isn't even usable in PU.

there is such a thing as a shitmon, this is one of them. Given it's absolutely fucking incredible 55/50/110 bulk (for good measure weaville has more bulk) blistering 85 speed (not enough to outspeed the better things in PU like chatot, which it can't even fucking bulk on its good stat) and non existent offence.

Everything it does, something else does better. Why even fucking bother with u turn when it will do jack shit anyway, just use a better pokemon with dual screens.

Please stop being silly.

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 07:17:40 No.21173010 Report

Quoted By: >>21173037 >>21173130 >>21173151

>>21172961
>it isn't even usable in PU.
neither is megamom, as it is banned from there.

it is neither a wall not an attacker but an utility and should be used as such. shitmons won't be even good as utilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 07:24:30 No.21173037 Report

Quoted By: >>21173123

>>21173010
it's shit at utility you dickhead. Use musharna if you want a shitmon with utility.

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 07:53:28 No.21173123 Report

Quoted By: >>21173130 >>21173151

>>21173037
>musharna
isn't for putting walls, even tough it can learn them. its speed means that even with evs it will move after most mons so it won't be able to put on a wall before them. it also can't learn u turn, hich may prove problamatic when passing the walls to the rest of your team.

musharna can't replace ledian in the role i given it. im sure it has it's own merits tough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 07:55:41 No.21173130 Report

Quoted By: >>21173197

>>21173123
>>21173010
you are literally retarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 08:02:39 No.21173151 Report

Quoted By: >>21173197

>>21173123
>>21173010
>>21172915
>>21172897
>>21172877
>>21172842
>>21172736
>>21172614
>>21172491
>>21172411
>>21172179
>>21171940

Please stop posting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2014 08:02:59 No.21173154 Report

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>>21172512
Because following real life metamorphosis it leaves the water to become a flying bug for mating.

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Thu 02 Oct 2014 08:13:13 No.21173197 Report

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>>21173130
nice argument.

>>21173151
I did and than you came. by 'i did' i mean 'i'm only posting when i'm posting'.

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