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Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 02:18:17 No.21219272 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21220980

Who'd win?

(>9000 hours in Paint)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 02:28:24 No.21219357 Report

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Kyogre.
Water Spout is no joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 07:06:51 No.21220952 Report

Quoted By: >>21221526 >>21223412

Kyogre. Scarf Modest Kyogre is just fast enough to outspeed and OHKO even Mega Metwo Y with Water Spout.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 07:12:24 No.21220980 Report

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>>21219272
Run the calcs nigga, scarfed Water Spout kills even Mewtwo Y if both are at 100% health.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 08:57:47 No.21221316 Report

Quoted By: >>21221446 >>21221450 >>21221464

Mewtwo is the ultimate Pokémon. One Psychic and boom, that poser whale is dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 09:33:30 No.21221446 Report

Quoted By: >>21221481

>>21221316
Psychic doesn't kill faggit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 09:34:31 No.21221450 Report

Quoted By: >>21221481 >>21221526

>>21221316
252 SpA Mewtwo Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 126-148 (36.8 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 09:37:11 No.21221464 Report

Quoted By: >>21221481

>>21221316
The ultimate pokémon made by Kantonians, plebs without a proper legendary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 09:41:35 No.21221481 Report

Quoted By: >>21221492 >>21221548

>>21221464
>>21221446
>>21221450
I don't care what you say, Mewtwo is the strongest Pokémon. The Pokédex says so.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 09:45:02 No.21221492 Report

Quoted By: >>21221498

>>21221481
we all know it is b8 but you need to be realy autistic to b8ing this whay

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 09:47:02 No.21221498 Report

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>>21221492
Stop raping my childhood

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Tue 07 Oct 2014 09:58:39 No.21221526 Report

Quoted By: >>21221552 >>21221607

>>21220952
scarf mewtwo is faster. add thunder and spout does nothing.

>>21221450
what about going psychocut with mega X?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:03:10 No.21221548 Report

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>>21221481
pokedex only mentions it's battle skills were raised to the ultimate level, nothing about it being the strongest pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:04:19 No.21221552 Report

Quoted By: >>21221559 >>21221586

>>21221526
252+ SpA Kyogre Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Mewtwo X in Rain: 271-319 (76.5 - 90.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

scarf outfasts, mega x can't ohko.

Same with Y.

Regular mewtwo can't kill it for shit either, and this is surf, not spout.

Ogre is was king of ubers for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:05:34 No.21221559 Report

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>>21221552
252+ SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Thunder vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 268-316 (78.3 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

proof of that

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:12:26 No.21221586 Report

Quoted By: >>21221602

>>21221552
how is regular mewtwo with scarf and thunder gonna fare?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:18:03 No.21221602 Report

Quoted By: >>21221626

>>21221586
252 SpA Mewtwo Thunder vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 204-242 (59.6 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

not terribly. inb4 accuracy, it's raining.

At any rate, none of the mewtwos can actually one shot it when they're going speedy. So ogre hypothetically always wins if it goes bulky and uses modest specs surf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:19:15 No.21221607 Report

Quoted By: >>21221636

>>21221526
>Scarf Mewtwo
kek

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:24:59 No.21221626 Report

Quoted By: >>21221651 >>21221662 >>21221721 >>21223741

>>21221602
what if mewtwo divides all evs it put into speed equally between hp and sp.def?
still scarfed, still thunder.
will it be faster than scarfed kyogre?
will it last long enough to ko bulky kyogre?

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:27:27 No.21221636 Report

Quoted By: >>21222137

>>21221607
if you ware a mewtwo, and you had to fight a kyogre (i dunno, maybe it kidnapped your sister) wouldn't you take a scarf into battle? i mean, water spout.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:30:50 No.21221651 Report

Quoted By: >>21221662 >>21221711

>>21221626
>will it last long enough
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Surf vs. 128 HP / 128 SpD Mewtwo in Rain: 385-454 (100 - 117.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

evenly dividing a dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:31:52 No.21221662 Report

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>>21221651
>>21221626
this is what bulky ogre would be using btw.

252 hp, 252 spa, 4 sdef specs

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:37:44 No.21221711 Report

Quoted By: >>21221717 >>21221728

>>21221651
>evenly dividing a dumb
so you mean if mewtwo had decided to put all evs to either sp.def or hp it would have better chance of surviving?

now i'm sure that there is build for mewtwo t counter choice specs kyogre. what i'm trying to find isn't a build that counter a specific other build, but any build kyogre would come with, which is kinda dumb i guess. so it all come down to which pokemon can out predict the other.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:38:52 No.21221717 Report

Quoted By: >>21221790

>>21221711
nah, same chance

which is silly, because if you just go all in HP you get physical as well.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:39:18 No.21221721 Report

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>>21221626
face it faggot mewtwo is shit compared with based king oger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:39:53 No.21221728 Report

Quoted By: >>21221758 >>21221790

>>21221711
oh there are definitely builds that will counter each specific kyogre, but every other ogre will assrape them.

Same can't be said for mewtwo though, so ogre > two

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:45:25 No.21221758 Report

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>>21221728
eg, assault vest mewtwo with the retard EV spread of 252 HP, 24 Sdef and 232 spa will perfectly 2hko bulky specs and outspeed.

232 SpA Mewtwo Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kyogre: 202-238 (50 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If you go modest it can be even more sdef and less spa.

But most other ogre sets will eat that for breakfast.

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:51:57 No.21221790 Report

Quoted By: >>21221807

>>21221717
>silly
not really
if you add 10 to 100 def you lower phys demage by 10%. but if you add 10 to 110 you only lower it by 9% or so
so to make the utmost of each ev it's better to balance hp and sp.def

theoreticlly.

>>21221728
not quite true, there is a reason why scarf was brought up- it enable waterspout to it's full extent.

anyway,
assuming no evs, (as they will probably go in bulk)
what is more fatal to kyogre
mega x with psychocut
or
mega y with thunder?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 10:54:43 No.21221807 Report

Quoted By: >>21221893

>>21221790
https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/

here u go.

It's thunder by the way.

by the way, the guy hyping up ogre is overlooking something huge.

252 Atk Mega Mewtwo X Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 572-674 (148.9 - 175.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Tue 07 Oct 2014 11:09:27 No.21221893 Report

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>>21221807
>low kick
forgot that move existed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 12:14:19 No.21222137 Report

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>>21221636
That's what I'm thinking too. If you just need a Mewtwo to counter a common Kyogre spread, outscarfing it is probably the way forward. Chances are it'll know it can outspeed and go for the Water Spout, then get caught off guard.
You're fucked either way if they're smart enough to play it safe and go for Surf though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 16:52:25 No.21223412 Report

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>>21220952
yep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 17:29:18 No.21223679 Report

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Forgive me, I'm not a meta game player, I remember about a year ago everyone was saying Mega Mewtwo Y would be outclassed by Life Orb Mewtwo. Is this true?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Oct 2014 17:36:14 No.21223741 Report

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>>21221626

If were talking about strict 1v1s, Mewtwo wins

Scarftwo outspeeds and hits him for +70% damage in which case Water Spout will hit like a Water Gun. Mewtwo will laugh it off and hit him with another 100% accurate Thunder.

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