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Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:17:34 No.21262697 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21262741 >>21262766 >>21262838 >>21262869 >>21263853 >>21267867 >>21267926

Explain to me the practical differences between sturdy and multiscale

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:21:26 No.21262729 Report

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Multiscale reduces all incoming damage at full, rather than simply guaranteeing you survive at full.

This means that you're likely going to live, very few things are going to do 200% damage to you, while also not being brought down to 1 hp. It's pretty much a superior sturdy with the exception of Super stronk attackers who can KO you straight through it, and sturdy-custap users.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:22:18 No.21262741 Report

Quoted By: >>21262752

>>21262697
Sturdy will leave your mon alive, (with atleast 1hp) if your pokemon got hit.

Example: Golem gets hit by surf => 1hp left due sturdy.

Doesn't work with multi hit moves.

Multiscale reduces the damage by 50% when full hp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:24:11 No.21262752 Report

Quoted By: >>21262797

>>21262741
>ask for practical differences
>give functional differences

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:25:42 No.21262758 Report

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Fucking ur mum

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:26:50 No.21262766 Report

Quoted By: >>21263846

>>21262697
Multiscale keeps you with more than 1 HP, meaning if your opponent hits you with an attack that wouldn't have OHKO'd you you can recover back to full with one recovery move

all pokemon with multiscale have recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:30:43 No.21262797 Report

Quoted By: >>21263828

>>21262752
Practical = Functional
Or did you mean theoretical.

Are you cynical?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:35:35 No.21262838 Report

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>>21262697
Only two pokemon get multiscale, and those pokemon are pretty bulky. Reducing the first hit by 50% give you a free turn to set up, and still have a fair amount of hp left.

Good for bulky set mons.

A lot of sturdy users have shit defenses to start with and are easily brought down to sturdy. Meaning the next turn, literally any priorty, status,weather, or hazard will KO you.

good for suicide leads, or frail fast sweepers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 05:38:51 No.21262869 Report

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>>21262697
Sturdy better serves pokemon that are frail, have a lot of weaknesses or thrive in dangerous situations.

Multiscale caters to to pokemon with workable or great bulk, reliable recovery and/or use boosting moves like Coil or Quiver Dance.

Sturdy on Dugtrio, Masquerain or Deoxys-A would get them farther than Multiscale because they take massive damage from nearly all moves. Multiscale on Milotic, Zygarde and Venusaur would get them farther than Sturdy because they are very rarely hit that hard from full HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 08:31:25 No.21263828 Report

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>>21262797
que water trumpets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 08:39:54 No.21263846 Report

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>>21262766
You're a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 08:40:58 No.21263853 Report

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>>21262697
If you have sturdy, your mon can't take another hit.

Multiscale can leave you intact with lots of health, which can save you if your opponent happens to not have another mon that can damage your multiscaler enough to be threat.
Whereas with sturdy, you're GURANTEED to survive one turn, but something just has to sneeze on you with fakeout or a normal entry hazard and you're ded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 13:00:05 No.21265068 Report

Quoted By: >>21265129

Multiscale + Roost on Dragonite is a great combination. You can even PP stall if you throw in Substitute.

Against slower mons, Roosting back up to 100% removes Dragonite's 4x Ice weakness (loss of Flying type). With Substitute, you can PP stall until the opponent has run out of Ice Beams.

Substitute, Roost, Dragon Claw, Dragon Dance/Earthquake is such a fun set, and really showcases how pants-on-head-retarded Multiscale can be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 13:13:45 No.21265129 Report

Quoted By: >>21265145

>>21265068

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 36+ SpD Roosting Multiscale Dragonite: 142-169 (36.8 - 43.8%)

Looks pretty good.

I used a 248 HP, 36 SpDef, 224 Spe Careful spread. This gives it enough Speed to outrun Greninja at +1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 13:17:13 No.21265140 Report

Quoted By: >>21265292

Generally, there are VERY few things that can one shot mons with multiscale. As far as I know, literally Zekrom and Kyurem W are the only things that can one shot Lugia, and they need to be banded/specs to do it.

Likewise with Dragonite, Specs Glaceon and Kyurem W are the only mons that can OHKO a Dragonite 100% of the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 13:19:10 No.21265145 Report

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>>21265129
I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to just kill the greninja at that point though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 13:44:23 No.21265292 Report

Quoted By: >>21265388

>>21265140
Uh no

greninja without any item can one shot dragonite with ice beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 14:02:11 No.21265388 Report

Quoted By: >>21265604

>>21265292
Modest Greninja can, I guess.
Timid needs at least Nevermeltice/expert belt to do so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 14:55:34 No.21265604 Report

Quoted By: >>21265612

>>21265388
Greninja literally always carries a Life Orb unless you're battling a shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 14:56:51 No.21265612 Report

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>>21265604
Are the usage stats like, 99.97% LO .03% other?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 15:00:27 No.21265633 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 15:03:11 No.21265651 Report

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>>21265633
on any other pokemon E-belt is used for surprise kills, since you fake being locked in with a choice item. I'd say that's what they're doing with greninja, but sash is more common than choice items, so faking a choice doesn't really work.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 15:08:41 No.21265685 Report

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Multiscale is like backwards sturdy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 18:50:45 No.21267867 Report

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>>21262697
Multiscale Dragonite. Try it and you'll love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztJ5-XUSJmQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 18:55:28 No.21267905 Report

Quoted By: >>21267912

Multiscale is like Sturdy if Sturdy wasn't a shitty gimmick that only works well on niches like Sturdy Aron with Quick Attack, Endeavor and Shell Bell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 18:56:54 No.21267912 Report

Quoted By: >>21268161

>>21267905
>implying sturdy isn't great on skarmory

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 18:58:18 No.21267926 Report

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>>21262697
Multiscale can be killed by OHKO-moves. Not a particularly relevant difference, but a difference indeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:10:30 No.21268012 Report

Quoted By: >>21268017 >>21268066

Sturdy at 100% cannot die from 1 move
Multiscale at 100% can die from 1 move, but it has to be one hell of an attack to do it. Like +6 crit Freeze Shock from KyuB

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:11:19 No.21268017 Report

Quoted By: >>21268051

>>21268012
Kyube ignores multiscale. He can kill Dnite with ice beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:16:12 No.21268051 Report

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>>21268017
But Turbovolt doesn't allow fun calcs like

+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Kyurem-B Freeze Shock vs. -6 0 HP / 0- Def Dragonite on a critical hit: 5203528-6121800 (40027138.4 - 47090769.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:17:48 No.21268066 Report

Quoted By: >>21268122 >>21268167 >>21268262

>>21268012
Actually LO Greninja can kill Dragonite through Multiscale

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:24:29 No.21268122 Report

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>>21268066
252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 216 HP / 228 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 289-343 (76.6 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:29:16 No.21268161 Report

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>>21267912
Multiscale would be better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:30:02 No.21268167 Report

Quoted By: >>21268242

>>21268066
This is the dumbest post on /vp/ right now.
Even dumber than the whole Sing M Pidgeot bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:38:38 No.21268242 Report

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>>21268167
Actually its not... Anon used the EV Spread for the Bulky Roost Set.

But you're basically right... LO Greninja can OHKO Choice Band/Dragon Dance Dragonite with Multiscale

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:42:49 No.21268262 Report

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>>21268066
+6 252 Atk Choice Band Refrigerate Happiny Helping Hand Constrict vs. +6 252 HP / 252 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 1002-1182 (7707.6 - 9092.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

so can Happiny

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