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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:39:26 No.21284901 View View Reply Original Report

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>magma armour

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:40:27 No.21284916 Report

Quoted By: >>21284928

>wanting your fire type to get frozen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:41:31 No.21284928 Report

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>>21284916
>fire type is frozen
>immediately thaw with your Stab move

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:42:21 No.21284939 Report

Quoted By: >>21284954 >>21284957

Magma Armor really needs a buff.

How about it recovers HP when you're hit by a fire move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:43:57 No.21284954 Report

Quoted By: >>21284971

>>21284939
>immunity to a type every magma armour pokemon already resists

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:44:15 No.21284957 Report

Quoted By: >>21284971 >>21290515

>>21284939
Defense+1 if hit by fire move, hence "magma armor". But what do I know? I'm just an anon.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:45:31 No.21284971 Report

Quoted By: >>21284997

>>21284954
Yeah, and most pokemon with Water Absorb resist Water. And the same with Volt Absorb.

Idiot.

>>21284957
None of the other "Armor" abilities do this. Sounds kind of weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:47:37 No.21284997 Report

Quoted By: >>21285002 >>21285086

>>21284971
And those abilities are largely pointless as well. I mean, it's fine, it's a small modest buff with situational usage and also there's precedence for its function. But obviously it could be better.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:48:13 No.21285002 Report

Quoted By: >>21285024

>>21284997
I bet you think Heatran should have Levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:50:11 No.21285024 Report

Quoted By: >>21285037

>>21285002
No, Heatran is perfect as is, with an immunity to a type he's otherwise neutral to, providing a situational boost and a niche as the only fire resistant/immune steel.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:51:43 No.21285037 Report

Quoted By: >>21285050 >>21285075

>>21285024
Well, that's true.

But thematically, it makes sense for water-types to absorb water, etc. I don't know why Fire Absorb doesn't exist.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:53:05 No.21285050 Report

Quoted By: >>21285061 >>21285067

>>21285037
Because Flash Fire exists

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:54:03 No.21285061 Report

Quoted By: >>21289990

>>21285050
So? Water type has Storm Drain and Water Absorb.
Electric type has Lightningrod and Volt Absorb/

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:54:22 No.21285067 Report

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>>21285050
Does Flash Fire heal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:55:13 No.21285075 Report

Quoted By: >>21285106

>>21285037
Fair enough, but is it so wrong to want more than a totally useless ability to become a largely useless ability? Magcargo and Camerupt are basically the only relevant pokemon with magma armour (if you can call them "relevant), is it wrong to want something slightly better?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:56:10 No.21285086 Report

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>>21284997
>largely pointless
>Being immune and getting back free HP
Are you retarded?

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 02:57:41 No.21285106 Report

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>>21285075
It's already better than what they already have especially since both commonly run Lava Plume which thaws freeze anyways.

Why can't you just be happy with them getting improved abilities?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:16:59 No.21289990 Report

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>>21285061
and motor drive

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:18:35 No.21290001 Report

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I think the name was what sealed its fate. All you can give Magma Armor to is Fire-types, and they won't get frozen for long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:20:04 No.21290016 Report

Quoted By: >>21290100 >>21290114

>Illuminate
Extend Light Screen and Reflect when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:23:26 No.21290047 Report

Quoted By: >>21290114 >>21290215

>Damp
>Hyper Cutter
>Run Away

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:26:08 No.21290078 Report

Quoted By: >>21290114

>Stall
>Big Pecks
>Symbiosis
>Flower Veil

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:27:48 No.21290100 Report

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>>21290016
that's good stuff

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:29:09 No.21290114 Report

Quoted By: >>21290303 >>21290442

>>21290016
But not everything with Illuminate gets Reflect/Light Screen. I don't think there's ever been an ability that's 100% useless on some pokemon that have it but not others.

>>21290047
Damp should also make the user immune to getting Burned.
Hyper Cutter's okay as it is.
Run Away should make you escape from Arena Trap/Mean Look/Shadow Tag/etc.

>>21290078
Stall is a weird ability.
Big Pecks is okay as it is.
The other two abilities are used for doubles, moran.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:37:24 No.21290215 Report

Quoted By: >>21290424

>>21290047
>Damp
Add chance to extend Rain and/or cut Sunlight short
>Hyper Cutter
Increase power of slashing moves (I think most Pokemon who learn it get at least one)
>Run Away
Maybe increase speed if opponent switches? I don't know.
>Stall
Not sure.
>Big Pecks
Flying type Blaze/Torrent/Overgrow/Swarm
>Symbiosis
>Flower Veil
Not sure. I think Florges just needs a singles ability.
Natty cure would be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:44:39 No.21290303 Report

Quoted By: >>21290366

>>21290114
Chinchou and Lanturn don't get lift screen which is utterly bizarre considering Lanturn is the Light Pokemon, but everything else (Volbeat, Starmie and Watchog) does.
>I don't think there's ever been an ability that's 100% useless on some pokemon that have it but not others.
Limber Stunfisk. Wasn't useless in Gen V, now is. Levitate Rotom-F.
Hyper Cutter and Big Pecks are bad in that Clear Body exists. Maybe if they were one ability they'd be passable, but as it stands they're pretty shitty.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:53:09 No.21290366 Report

Quoted By: >>21290463 >>21290704

>>21290303
But Limber Stunfisk used to be useful, like you said.
Rotom-F is at least immune to Mold Breaker Earthquake.
Volbeat/Watchog don't learn Reflect.

Okay, how about Hyper Cutter increases Attack by 1.2x and Big Pecks increases Defense by 1.2x?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 16:59:39 No.21290424 Report

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>>21290215
>>Hyper Cutter
>Increase power of slashing moves (I think most Pokemon who learn it get at least one)
Like Sheer Force for increased Crit moves?
Removes the crit chance for a +50% damage bump, which effectively this gen means it always crits unless the opponent has defense buffs/user is Intimidated

Or a custom list that includes X-Scissor (Pinsir) but, then youre excluding Crabhammer. Cant think of a logical reason to boost Crabhammer AND X-Scissor, both of which are near-signature STABs of Hyper Cutter users - though competitively, Pinsir is going to be using Hyper Cutter as often as Heracross will use Guts, so just boosting Crit moves seems to work imo.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:00:58 No.21290442 Report

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>>21290114
>Stall is a weird ability.
>Sableye used Payback!

Literally its only purpose. Though Keen Eye is still heaps worse as spamming Payback 24/7 is at least a decent idea

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:03:13 No.21290463 Report

Quoted By: >>21290497

>>21290366
>Volbeat/Watchog don't learn Reflect.
But they do learn Light Screen.
That's like saying Darmanitan shouldn't get Sheer Force just because it doesn't learn every move with an added effect.
At the moment, Illuminate is useless. What I've suggested works flavour-wise and would be somewhat useful.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:07:24 No.21290497 Report

Quoted By: >>21290560

>>21290463
It's more like saying Darmanitan shouldn't get Sheer Force because only one move it learns has an added effect.

I'd prefer something like BrightPowder and making opponent's moves more likely to miss the pokemon.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:09:00 No.21290515 Report

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>>21284957
I could get behind this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:13:49 No.21290560 Report

Quoted By: >>21290599 >>21290623

>>21290497
All that would do is cause in game grief against wild Pokemon with Illuminate and cause Smogon to ban the ability.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:15:57 No.21290599 Report

Quoted By: >>21290623

>>21290560
Plus it doesn't make sense. Pokémon with Illuminate aren't flashing to lower accuracy, they are just illuminated. Bright. Attracting other Pokémon.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:18:43 No.21290623 Report

Quoted By: >>21290643

>>21290560
I don't think anybody grinds off of Watchogs/Volbeats/Staryus.

>>21290599
Anon, have you ever shined a Flashlight into your face?

How about it reveals the opponent's Item? yeah it's a frisk clone but still

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:20:48 No.21290643 Report

Quoted By: >>21290678

>>21290623
That would be flash, and what is implied bright powder does.
You ever turned on a light to see inside a dark room? That's illuminate.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:24:36 No.21290678 Report

Quoted By: >>21290725

>>21290643
It isn't that far of a stretch, anon.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:27:20 No.21290704 Report

Quoted By: >>21290716

>>21290366
>Rotom-F is at least immune to Mold Breaker Earthquake
It would still be immune to Earthquake, Mold Breaker or not, if it didn't have Levitate, so what's your point?

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:29:28 No.21290716 Report

Quoted By: >>21290741

>>21290704
Well, it'd be immune to Soak + Earthquake...?
It's not completely useless, is my point.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:30:26 No.21290725 Report

Quoted By: >>21290770

>>21290678
Your dick needs a stretch

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:31:47 No.21290741 Report

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>>21290716
But a light clay ability on a Pokémon that only gets one screen is?
Fuck you're retarded

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 17:36:08 No.21290770 Report

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>>21290725
#rekt

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