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Want increased priority moves to be less impactful on the meta?

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:09:04 No.21285262 View View Reply Original Report

Just reduce the accuracy of all increased priority moves and add a decreased accuracy modifier to all abilities that increase priority.

Meta saved.

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:10:56 No.21285293 Report

Quoted By: >>21285320 >>21285347 >>21287890

Want OU pokemon to be less impactful on the meta? Just give them all Truant, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:11:33 No.21285302 Report

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Everything learns Protect

Few pokemon learn Feint.

Protect is centralizing the metagame!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:12:50 No.21285320 Report

Quoted By: >>21285335 >>21285353

>>21285293
Or stop putting all of the viable counters in Ubers and stop letting a group of twelve year olds make decisions for the whole community.

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:14:03 No.21285335 Report

Quoted By: >>21287890

>>21285320
You don't have to play Smogon tiers if you think it's that bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:14:40 No.21285347 Report

Quoted By: >>21285411 >>21286330

>>21285293
You don't even have a 3DS or friends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:15:04 No.21285353 Report

Quoted By: >>21285378

>>21285320
>It shouldn't be in ubers just because it counters 90% of pokemon

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:16:51 No.21285378 Report

Quoted By: >>21285411 >>21285445 >>21285456 >>21285923 >>21286356 >>21286367

>>21285353
Scarfed Mismagius works fine on Cartridge and can OHKO and outspeed M-Gengar before it can get its first sub up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:18:25 No.21285401 Report

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>>21285262
Reducing accuracy never stops something from being usable. It only injects risk into the equation, which is usually weighed lighter than you would think. Low accuracy hasn't stopped Hydro Pump and Fire Blast from being used. So unless you made Aqua Jet a 50% accurate move it would still be used.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:19:22 No.21285411 Report

Quoted By: >>21285435 >>21287890

>>21285347
Did you see my shoutout?
I hope you saw it!

>>21285378
What happens if the opponent sends in M-Gengar when Mismagius isn't out?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:21:33 No.21285435 Report

Quoted By: >>21285458 >>21285461

>>21285411
>What happens if the opponent sends in M-Gengar when Mismagius isn't out?
What is team preview? And before you feed be the bullshit "I shouldn't have to trade one of my mons to kill another mon" argument trading ONE mon to out your opponent's MEGA is more then a fair trade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:22:18 No.21285445 Report

Quoted By: >>21285464 >>21286415

>>21285378
And Scarfed Mismagius is absolute dogshit against literally anything that isn't Mega Gengar. Every broken mon can be KO'd somehow, but the expense in teambuilding, momentum (as in keeping ahead against that broken mon and not losing half your team), coverage, etc. is way too high. It's why people laughed when it was brought up that Arcanine and Weezing are decent walls to Mawile. Hooray it sits in front of Mawile for a few turns but it's still dead weight against everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:23:41 No.21285456 Report

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>>21285378
steelix destroys Zekrom. Its still ban worthy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:23:51 No.21285458 Report

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>>21285435
So you're telling me that to kill Gengar with Mismagius you need to let Gengar come in and kill one of your mons, thus doing its job as a trapper? Interesting. It's almost like Mismagius isn't even a counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:24:31 No.21285461 Report

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>>21285435
He doesn't play competitively, he's a troll. Ignore him and move on.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:24:51 No.21285464 Report

Quoted By: >>21285474 >>21285477 >>21285526

>>21285445
>Scarfed Mismagius is absolute dogshit against literally anything that isn't Mega Gengar
You have no idea what you're talking about. Mismagius has so much sweet coverage and enough special bulk to eat at least 1 non-SE hit to start sweeping it's hilarious.

It's like you people hate variety. Oh, wait, you do!

>Inb4 Smogon Ocelots meow for backup.
You are as bad as children because you ARE children.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:25:50 No.21285474 Report

Quoted By: >>21285508

>>21285464
>Sweeping
With that sweet 60 base power hp fighting
I used to be sub 1050.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:26:03 No.21285477 Report

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>>21285464
Wow the meows were felt much faster than I could have posted. Smogon babies can smell their own butthurt a mile away!

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:29:02 No.21285508 Report

Quoted By: >>21285539

>>21285474
>Implying
Good players drop Focus Miss at the 1500s. Stay pleb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:31:05 No.21285526 Report

Quoted By: >>21285557

>>21285464
I find it really funny you say Mismagius is great and has good coverage, when it had poor special attack, barely decent speed, and no bulk. 60/60/105 uninvested isn't good. Non-STAB Dazzling Gleam, Tbolt, and Energy ball aren't good when coming off base 105.

Want a good ghost mon that actually benefits from being scarfed? Run Chandelure. base 145 special attack is enough to get by, scarfed base 80 speed is respectable and is only commonly outsped by other scarfers, and Flash Fire allows it to switch in and gain a hefty boost to its STAB Fire Blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:32:23 No.21285539 Report

Quoted By: >>21285557

>>21285508
Mismagius has middling special attack and has to rely on a 60bp attack. Its shit. The only thing you're sweeping is a 20% hp slowbro.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:35:13 No.21285557 Report

Quoted By: >>21285574 >>21285611

>>21285526
>Missing the point of being able to outspeed M-Gengar entirely.
You think I'm Karen fagging Mismagius? I only scarfed it on cart to outspeed M-Gengar. Build your reading comprehension skills.

>>21285539
>Muh fite coverage
You can have other team members supplement that. The purpose is to OHKO M-Gengar that's it. I'm not advertising it as the best scarfer around. You smogonites only spew out the same rhetoric without paying attention to the purpose of the mon.

I bet you still use 2 max investments with 4 remainder in Hp/Speed as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:37:17 No.21285574 Report

Quoted By: >>21285601

>>21285557
> The purpose is to OHKO M-Gengar that's it.
A wasted team slot when your opponent doesn't have Mega Gengar.
Or even when he does because he'll just switch out.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:40:43 No.21285601 Report

Quoted By: >>21286392

>>21285574
>A wasted team slot when your opponent doesn't have Mega Gengar.
Try playing on cart. The game has advanced passed the 6v6 meta that you guys are still circle jerking around.

>Or even when he does because he'll just switch out.
Most retards are not aware that Mismagius can outspeed M-Gengar and you can just lock into Shadow Ball unless your opponent has a normal type in the back. Either way you're at the advantage especially if you've setup hazards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:42:04 No.21285611 Report

Quoted By: >>21285666

>>21285557
I'm not missing the point at all actually. Scarfed Chandelure reaches 426 speed while Mega Gengar tops out at 394 max. However, Chandelure has higher throughput than Mismagius, has more chances to switch in with Flash Fire and the resists its Fire typing gives it (significantly more than you would think), and better, stronger coverage. It's literally better than Mismagius in every way at the role you're stating.

In summation: git fucking gud

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:48:45 No.21285666 Report

Quoted By: >>21285701 >>21285713

>>21285611
>git fucking gud
Chandelure is susceptible to Sticky Web you moron Mismagius is not. Learn to levitate.

Smogon babies so retarded they don't even know about DIVERSE speed tiering outside of their bubble metas.

Casual as FUCK.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:53:19 No.21285701 Report

Quoted By: >>21285723

>>21285666
Is sticky web even a common thing on cart? Let along paired with mega-gengar when there are other pokemon who can abuse sticky web better?

You look like you're either furioously grasping at straw or just straight up rusing, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:54:13 No.21285713 Report

Quoted By: >>21285723

>>21285666
You're really grasping if you're acting like Sticky Web is relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 03:55:38 No.21285723 Report

Quoted By: >>21285813 >>21286528

>>21285701
>Is sticky web even a common thing on cart?
Bitch the Japanese will pull so many tricks on your ass you'll be searching google to remember that those moves were still in the game.

Yes, in cart people will use EVERYTHING.

>>21285713
>grasping at straws
Implying that people who use Mega Gangar competitively don't plan to be outsped? Sorry but people try hard on cart just like they do on simulators. My point still stands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:00:26 No.21285788 Report

Quoted By: >>21285815

>talonflame is broken so lets nerf all priority instead of just gale wings

you people are fucking stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:02:02 No.21285813 Report

Quoted By: >>21285846

>>21285723
Gengar is at such a high speed tier that doesn't require any speed support even on turn 1. You would use Sticky Web on a team with a win condition that is slower than average, not one that's significantly faster.

Also, any good player will be able to spot the sticky web setter and either force them out without getting web up or risk saccing after getting web up which makes it very easy to spin or defog away making that team slot even more worthless. Keep in mind the only users of Sticky Web are frail and weak, or bulky taunt and setup bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:02:09 No.21285814 Report

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Pokémon is 50 percent skill (pokémon, items, stats) and 50 percent prediction/luck. If you can't counter m-kang or m-gengar or aegislash because you're too dumb and/or lazy to research the common movesets and come up with viable counters, then you shouldn't be playing pokémon competitively.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:02:10 No.21285815 Report

Quoted By: >>21285925

>>21285788
that was far too obvious, anon.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:04:47 No.21285846 Report

Quoted By: >>21285892 >>21285975

>>21285813
>Gengar is at such a high speed tier that doesn't require any speed support even on turn 1.
Obviously not as there are plenty of mons that can OHKO it with a Scarf.

>Also, any good player will be able to spot the sticky web setter and either force them out without getting web up or risk saccing after getting web up which makes it very easy to spin or defog away making that team slot even more worthless. Keep in mind the only users of Sticky Web are frail and weak, or bulky taunt and setup bait.
With M-Gengar they can lead in free with their setters and then trap them with Destiny Bond. You have obviously not played much cart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:09:26 No.21285892 Report

Quoted By: >>21285923

>>21285846
so the only high speed tier is the one with deo-s?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:10:06 No.21285902 Report

Quoted By: >>21285923

is this a troll thread?

Am I seriously reading someone argue that scarf mismagius COUNTERS mega-gengar?

Why has no one said the definition of a counter yet? You have to switch in and be able to force your opponent out. Mismagius can't do that, not at all

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:12:07 No.21285923 Report

Quoted By: >>21286053

>>21285892
The tiers go as high as the stats can be boosted.
>>21285902
Read: >>21285378
Never stated to be a "Smogon Counter."

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:12:10 No.21285925 Report

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>>21285815

you're still a retard, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:18:18 No.21285975 Report

Quoted By: >>21285995

>>21285846
Using Sticky Web for the sole purpose of removing the ability to be revenge killed by scarfers is unbelievably dumb. Gengar is able to be revenge killed by plain old priority anyway, so if you're build your team correctly you'll have something specifically added to the team to take hits for Gengar. Considering most scarfers sacrifice throughput to get specific OHKOs, any decent pivot can be used to soak hits and threaten the scarfer out. And trust me on this one, almost anything decently bulky can take a hit from Mismagius.

Also, you seem to completely miss my point. Using a Sticky Web setter on a team with Mega Gengar is worthless, and unless every team on cart has a Mega Gengar, your situation wouldn't be applicable. Most Sticky Web setters are used as leads, which means it's a safe guess to lead with a mon that can taunt, threaten it out, or outright squash it. Considering Gengar doesn't like switching in on attacks because of its low defenses, you switching in Gengar to trap that mon that would attack your SW setter means Gengar is easily susceptible to priority and hazards later on if it isn't outright OHKO'd. If you lead with Gengar instead of your SW setter, you lose the benefit of getting SW up turn 1 and have to rely on free switches after losing a mon to get your SW setter in, making it an even worse addition to your team.

Are you buttscab ironically shitposting without the trip? I understand you're rusing as hard as possible, but you have to either be retarded or a professional ruseman to bait this hard.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:21:07 No.21285995 Report

Quoted By: >>21286003 >>21286029

>>21285975
>I don't know that competitive singles in cart is 3v3 and that changes everything.

Pleb PLEASE! Mismagius works fine as a quick scarfer that can eat a non-SE special hit and get a revenge kill. In 3v3 ranked singles you don't get the luxury of a full team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:22:09 No.21286003 Report

Quoted By: >>21286017

>>21285995
3v3 is a trash meta all on its own though

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:23:38 No.21286017 Report

Quoted By: >>21289056

>>21286003
>I still play 6v6 even though Game Freak is moving the game balance to 3v3 for singles.
Stay in your simulation circlejerk run by 12 year olds. The rest of us will be playing the game as intended.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:25:53 No.21286029 Report

Quoted By: >>21286065

>>21285995
In 3v3 Mismagius is even worse since its dead weight is even more pronounced when it requires one third of your team to be sacced to be able to come in and revenge kill M-Gengar. In 3v3 you need to either be bulky enough to actually take hits and set up or strong enough to get crucial OHKOs. Mismagius can do neither.

And I'll repeat this again: uninvested 60/60/105 is NOT bulky at all, especially with such a shit typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:27:14 No.21286044 Report

Quoted By: >>21286070

>priority moves only makes the attack twice as fast rather than place it at +X priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:28:29 No.21286053 Report

Quoted By: >>21286065

>>21285923
>smogon counter

what the fuck does that even mean

counter only has one meaning

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:30:38 No.21286065 Report

Quoted By: >>21286121

>>21286029
>In 3v3 Mismagius is even worse since its dead weight is even more pronounced when it requires one third of your team to be sacced to be able to come in and revenge kill M-Gengar.
Unless you have team members that can still fuck Mega Gengar. Even then when bringing Mismagius isn't useful you don't.

> In 3v3 you need to either be bulky enough to actually take hits and set up or strong enough to get crucial OHKOs.
In 3v3 you just need to be able to deal with whatever your opponent brought in. There is no other requirement for victory.

>And I'll repeat this again: uninvested 60/60/105 is NOT bulky at all, especially with such a shit typing.
I never called it "bulky" you faggot and pure Ghost with Levitate is amazing. Who's rusing who now?

>>21286053
Smogon changes that definition every suspect thread depending on the "celeb's" desires. The most consistent view is "anything that can combine in WITH SR and survive a +2 and still OHKO back." These are facts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:31:16 No.21286070 Report

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>>21286044
That doesn't fix anything since most priority users are fast already. The only mons I can think of off the top of my head that would be affected would be Azumarril and Conkeldurr. I say this because a lot of the strong priority users are in OU. The lower tiers wouldn't be affected all that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:38:44 No.21286121 Report

Quoted By: >>21286178

>>21286065
If you have other team members that can "fuck Mega Gengar", Mismagius is even worse.

And to deal with whatever your opponent brings in, you need to what? Oh that's right, be bulky enough to actually take hits and set up or be strong enough to OHKO. Since you apparently don't like the term 'bulky' and are acting like Mismagius is a counter, I'm assuming you don't care much for pivots. Though it's not like you can actually use them against Mega Gengar, it being a trapper and all.

Mono Ghost with Levitate is dogshit.You're immune to Normal and Fighting (which sounds good on cart considering Mega Kang, too bad it can just Sucker Punch you for SE damage) and Ground while resisting the extremely threatening Bug and Poison.

Seriously mate, you aren't even trying anymore.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:45:57 No.21286178 Report

Quoted By: >>21286259 >>21286345

>>21286121
>If you have other team members that can "fuck Mega Gengar", Mismagius is even worse.
Implying that being able to survive and break its subs but not being able to survive a Perish Trapping is better than being able to OHKO? You are retarded.

>And to deal with whatever your opponent brings in, you need to what? Oh that's right, be bulky enough to actually take hits and set up or be strong enough to OHKO. Since you apparently don't like the term 'bulky' and are acting like Mismagius is a counter, I'm assuming you don't care much for pivots. Though it's not like you can actually use them against Mega Gengar, it being a trapper and all.
You've made my point for me as this entire argument is over 1 mon used on cart to deal with potential M-Gengar threats. It's a niche mon that your jimmies cant handle the idea of someone using.

>Mono Ghost with Levitate is dogshit.You're immune to Normal and Fighting (which sounds good on cart considering Mega Kang, too bad it can just Sucker Punch you for SE damage) and Ground while resisting the extremely threatening Bug and Poison.
Sorry m8 but being able to switch into any earthquake and avoiding floor hazards is great. Staying in on Mega Kang with ANYTHING that's SE weak to Sucker Punch is STUPID and a poor argument. Ghost doesn't resist ground otherwise Gengar would be neutral to Mold Breaker Earthquakes. Bug/Poison resists rarely come into to play but most other non-high BP STAB special attacks can be lived through most of the time at full health and at minimum deliver 1 decent hit back. Physical defenses do not exist but you're smart enough to not even bother mentioning them but I'm getting it out of the way before it is brought up.

>Seriously mate, you aren't even trying anymore.
Yet you're still here trying to prove yourself right and failing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:47:37 No.21286189 Report

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singles aren't designed to be balanced

play the correct format, and get quick guard

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:53:58 No.21286239 Report

Quoted By: >>21286264

So many people baited. Good job sonny

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:57:08 No.21286259 Report

Quoted By: >>21286272

>>21286178
Mismagus for Mega Gengar. When you can just use scarf gengar :^)

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:57:27 No.21286264 Report

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>>21286239

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 04:58:45 No.21286272 Report

Quoted By: >>21286289 >>21286306 >>21286359

>>21286259
Gengar doesn't get Power Gem that also OHKO's Char-Y and severely if not OHKO Char-X.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:00:17 No.21286289 Report

Quoted By: >>21286317

>>21286272
>power gem
>wanting to be locked into a rock move

Come on, you're not even trying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:01:30 No.21286306 Report

Quoted By: >>21286329

>>21286272
And power gem defeats the purpose of it defeating mega Gengar

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:01:53 No.21286317 Report

Quoted By: >>21286331

>>21286289
>Implying Rock isn't the best Coverage in game.
YOU'RE not trying.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:03:00 No.21286329 Report

Quoted By: >>21286339

>>21286306
>Implying you should have a scarfed Mismagius with ONLY Power Gem.
Tippity Top Kek.

BME !wp8LJJh.fs

BME !wp8LJJh.fs Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:03:02 No.21286330 Report

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>>21285347
I wish I was friends with buttscab

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:03:04 No.21286331 Report

Quoted By: >>21286386

>>21286317
>implying rock is
>fighting, ground, steel, rock resists

Pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:04:09 No.21286339 Report

Quoted By: >>21286386

>>21286329
>implying Scarf doesnt lock you into one move
>muh ebin coverage :^)

Nice waifu BTW

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:04:42 No.21286345 Report

Quoted By: >>21286378 >>21286386

>>21286178
You've yet to respond to my assessment that Chandelure would be a direct upgrade from Mismagius after deflecting with an absolutely retarded Sticky Web argument. You can use whatever you want, but I'm sure as hell not going to let you act like Mismagius is worth using when its directly outclassed.

Also, on the topic of surviving hits, here is a list of calcs for common special attackers and how Mismagius responds.

>Latios
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mismagius: 265-313 (101.5 - 119.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mismagius: 255-302 (97.7 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Mismagius Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 210-248 (69.5 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>Mega Gardevoir
232 SpA Mega Gardevoir Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mismagius: 232-274 (88.8 - 104.9%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Mismagius Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gardevoir: 174-206 (62.8 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>Keldeo
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mismagius: 256-303 (98 - 116%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Mismagius Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 184-218 (56.9 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>Mega Char Y
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mismagius in Sun: 301-355 (115.3 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Mismagius Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 150-178 (50.5 - 59.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Now consider the fact that most commonly used offensive mons are physical, and that a scarf makes Mismagius unwieldy and a momentum sink.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:06:19 No.21286356 Report

Quoted By: >>21286386

>>21285378
Shedinja hard walls every common Kyogre set, why is Kyogre banned again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:06:41 No.21286359 Report

Quoted By: >>21286386

>>21286272
252 SpA Mismagius Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 140-168 (91.5 - 109.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:07:49 No.21286367 Report

Quoted By: >>21286386

>>21285378
>252 SpA Mismagius Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 236-278 (72.8 - 85.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:08:55 No.21286378 Report

Quoted By: >>21286415 >>21286543

>>21286345
My God, you're a fucking retard. I don't think his point was that Mismagius was the best option; his point was that Mismagius, even though it is a complete shitmon, can deal with M-Gengar. It was one example of one pokemon that can deal with M-Gengar. He was merely demonstrating that M-Gengar isn't as OP and un-counterable as smogonfags think.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:09:49 No.21286386 Report

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>>21286331
Did you know that if there was a pokemon with all types combined it would STILL be weak to Rock?

>>21286339
>Staying in while locked into a move that won't allow sweeping when you can switch and change moves.
Retard. Again, you can play the "Karen" card all you want but Mismagius is just one mon I keep a scarf set for when I feel like using it. I don't fap to Pokemon unlike you.

>>21286345
>Sticky Web doesn't exist on cart you didn't tell me that people use it even though I don't play on cart now read my wall of stat texts about muh waifu Chandelure isn't its fire so purty?
Dude, it's over. The mon has a specific purpose of SPEED and Chandelure is susceptible to a common hazard that HINDERS said speed. Let it go.

>>21286356
Box legendary as per cart pleb.

>>21286359
50% is pretty nice for a shitty scarfer.

>>21286367
>252 HP Mega Gengar
Trapper sets don't carry Shadow Ball pleb and I will get my vital hit in.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:10:41 No.21286392 Report

Quoted By: >>21286409

>>21285601
>playing on cart
>hazards

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:12:22 No.21286409 Report

Quoted By: >>21286556

>>21286392
>Never played cart.
>Implies people don't use everything.
Pic related: yfw you play against your first japs in cart ranked. The Koreans ain't pushovers either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:12:57 No.21286415 Report

Quoted By: >>21286430 >>21286433

>>21286378
I addressed this point earlier. See >>21285445

And Mismagius can only deal with M-Gengar as well as every other scarfer. It needs to come in to revenge kill, which means M-Gengar did its job by picking something off. Also, M-Gengar can just switch out to a bulky team mate anyway, meaning Mismagius didn't do much of anything after all since Gengar is still alive and one of your mons had to be sacced to get it in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:14:29 No.21286430 Report

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>>21286415
No pleb. If it's a trap set they will most likely consider you to be a Nasty Plot set and try to setup on you. If it's Offensive Mega gengar then you OHKO it before it touches you.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:15:05 No.21286433 Report

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>>21286415
So what you're saying is: Mega Gengar is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:22:06 No.21286515 Report

Quoted By: >>21286538

>That feeling when your venomoth solos an entire team of ubers clearly used by some kid that just random challenged you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:23:21 No.21286528 Report

Quoted By: >>21286557 >>21286570

>>21285723
Holy shit, THIS. Smogon kids are tutorial level compared to Battle Spot Japs.

Motherfuckers waxed my Blaziken with a non Mega Mawile and gave no fucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:23:57 No.21286538 Report

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>>21286515
If they don't try to get better after pulling that sort of shit then they'll probably grow up to be a whiny loser who wonders why they can't succeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:24:12 No.21286543 Report

Quoted By: >>21286557

>>21286378
Mismagius doesn't counter M-Gengar

It checks it, and only under really specific circumstances that depends on the M-Gengar user being really, really dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:24:44 No.21286551 Report

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Quick and Wide Guard should last three turns and only work on the turn the Pokemon is sent out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:25:43 No.21286556 Report

Quoted By: >>21286592

>>21286409
People use everything because you're at the fucking bottom of the ladder. Top-rank players are worse than smogon when it comes to unoriginality

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:25:49 No.21286557 Report

Quoted By: >>21286579 >>21286583

>>21286543
We're talking about cart not simulator.

>>21286528
Wide Lens Sheer Cold Lapras got me. That bulk. Can't crit through the Shell Armor. ;-:7

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:26:45 No.21286570 Report

Quoted By: >>21286592 >>21286748

>>21286528
>Motherfuckers waxed my Blaziken with a non Mega Mawile and gave no fucks

All this is saying to me is that you're really bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:27:49 No.21286579 Report

Quoted By: >>21286592

>>21286557
>We're talking about cart not simulator.

That doesn't make Mismagius a counter. It still can't switch in, take a hit from M-Gengar and KO back

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:28:03 No.21286583 Report

Quoted By: >>21286592

>>21286557
Wide lens has no sway on OHKO moves, they have fixed accuracy determined by level differentiation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:30:38 No.21286592 Report

Quoted By: >>21286623

>>21286556
>People use everything because you're at the fucking bottom of the ladder.
Implying they care about your fucking ladder made by the 12 year old pokemon council with le edgy world leaders maymay profile pics.

>Top-rank players are worse than smogon when it comes to unoriginality.
You're just asking for the Sejun fanboys to prove you wrong. Watch some more VGC faggot.

>>21286570
>Thinks Blaziken deserved to go to Ubers.
kek.

>>21286579
>Using Smogon definitions and a retardedly obvious poor choice of switch in to make the worst point that has been refuted several times earlier.
If you don't catch Gengar early then you scout its set with the mon that gets trapped. Do as much damage as you can as well. After that you snipe it. It's a Mega after all and if it was shit then it wouldn't be used. Megas aren't easy to kill in most cases that's why they're fucking megas.

>>21286583
Either way I got hit with Sheer Cold while trying to muscle my way through its health and defenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:35:45 No.21286623 Report

Quoted By: >>21286642

>>21286592
OP, admit it, Cart is worse than showdown

why don't you try to create a decent system faggot ?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:38:48 No.21286642 Report

Quoted By: >>21286677 >>21286695

>>21286623
Cart is way better fuck Showdowns limited bullshit and kiddies sucking "showdown celeb" cock.

As far as making my own system I think Smogon isn't entirely wrong with the idea of tiering but I think that a battle search system with a specific "clause list" would work better like for example: "No Legendary Trio Clause" or "No Auxiliary non-box legendary Clause." It would let Genie and Genesect fags battle to their hearts content as well as those who would rather use no legends have their fun. You could do the same with Mega Stones. Let the battlers decide what they wanna face.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:45:29 No.21286677 Report

Quoted By: >>21286693

>>21286642
>No legnedary trio clause
Do you honest to god think that pokemon like articuno, mesprit, coballion, or ANY of the regis need to be banned from competitive play?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:46:12 No.21286682 Report

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Done for the night guys thanks for the fun. Remember to ask Smogon for more search options and maybe people wouldn't have such a shitty opinion over simulators. Let the community decide and not the "elites."

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:48:21 No.21286693 Report

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>>21286677
Use your double dubs to think about the option to leave shitty legends in and others out (hack a checklist option of all the trio legendaries and allow the ones you'd consider fine to play against).

Also: Checked 'em.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:48:49 No.21286695 Report

Quoted By: >>21286705

>>21286642
>kiddies sucking "showdown celeb" cock.
You mean like Marriland?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:50:04 No.21286705 Report

Quoted By: >>21286718

>>21286695
Add in anyone who had to give a "Youtube apology video" for using stuff that later got banned. Hilariously sad and shows how little scrotum power these "competitive" players have.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:51:09 No.21286714 Report

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Anyway, gone for good this time. Shit/fun post at your leisure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:51:52 No.21286718 Report

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>>21286705
I don't know what you mean. There aren't that many showdown celebs, some of the mods/drivers/room owners get a little circle jerky, but very few internet celebs.
Unless you mean showderp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:53:25 No.21286729 Report

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>battle plz, no nasty plot, or sword dance, or dragon dance, and u HAVE TO LET me set up bellyzard, and no taunt, or heracross, and NO WEAVILLE, and no substitute, unless I have it. And dont use that many attacks and NO ROAR, or WHIRLWIND, AND IF IM GOING TO LOSE, then quit the fight

This is what people who suggest being able to choose your own clauses sound like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 05:57:29 No.21286748 Report

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>>21286570
Focus sashed metal burst m8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 06:26:40 No.21286957 Report

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>>21285262
Here's a better way to save the meta from priority.

Priority is no longer a bracket system, but instead increases your speed by 50% multiplicatively for each stage of priority. There are still a few true "brackets" for switching out Pokemon, using pursuit/protect/etc. and other things that NEED brackets but otherwise, Extremespeed just boosts your speed stat for that move by 225%, so you're probably not going to outspeed that scarfed tailwind Deoxys-S by using Extremespeed Dragonite or anything like that.

There, much better solution.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 09:38:53 No.21287890 Report

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>>21285293
>>21285335
>>21285411

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 09:41:58 No.21287901 Report

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>more RNG
No thanks shitlord

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2014 14:02:43 No.21289056 Report

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>>21286017
If anything, stuff that's overpowered in 6v6 are even more so in 3v3. The only real difference is people don't tend to set up hazards as much in 3v3

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