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So, we now know moves and stats. How do the new guys measure up? Discuss.>Swampert:100/150/110/95/110/70 >Sceptile:70/110/75/145/85/145 >Sableye:50/85/125/85/115/20 >Altaria:75/110/110/110/105/80 >Gallade:68/165/95/65/115/110 >Audino:103/60/126/80/126/50 >Sharpedo:70/140/70/110/65/105 >Slowbro:95/75/180/130/80/30 >Steelix:75/125/230/55/95/30 >Pidgeot:83/80/80/135/80/121 >Glalie:80/120/80/120/80/100 >Diancie:50/160/110/160/110/110 >Metagross:80/145/150/105/110/110 >Kyogre:100/150/90/180/160/90 >Groudon:100/180/160/150/90/90 >Rayquaza:105/180/100/180/100/115 >Hoopa:80/160/60/170/130/80 >Camerupt:70/120/100/145/105/20 >Lopunny:65/136/94/54/96/135 >Salamence:95/145/130/120/90/120 >Beedrill:65/150/40/15/80/145
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So many of my favs on that list. Gallade, Lopunny, slowbro, swampert, and sableye but not my all time favorite flygon so sad.
Anonymous
Personally, I'm happy with Mega Pidgeot even though it's definitely a mixed bag. The utter lack of new moves is painful, but they pretty much aced the stats without minmaxing as hard as Beedrill, and the kiddos will want to use Fly on Pidge even with No Guard. It really is shockingly similar to Tornadus-T, which is slightly concerning because Torn doesn't use a Mega slot, has more moves, and better survivability with Regenerator. That said, I think the perfect accuracy of Hurricane really is a big help, and may be enough to differentiate them. There will be competition, but if the overall performance of Tornadus-T is any indication (banned from RU, considered a decent B+ in both UU and OU), Mega Pidgeot will be perfectly viable if you want to use it. It has a unique gimmick, Heat Wave is back, you can always fiddle around with Roost, Work Up, and U-turn, and it looks mighty fine. Especially that shiny.
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>>21332186 I've seen you around tonight Pidgebro and I share your excitement.
I feel pretty alone with the M-Camerupt hype though. Big fan of doubles and I can see this baby tearing a new hole in everything while under trick room. I still think the +20 in attack could have gone to its defences, but 100 def/105 sp.def is nothing to scoff at. 145 + Sheer Force and Heat Wave/Earth Power/Flash Cannon is going to make sure everyone is aware of it's presence on the battle field.
Overall, I'm happy that my Mega Bro is going to have some spotlight too. Maxie is one lucky guy.
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>>21332038 Mega Slowbro really does look good. Calm Mind, Slack Off, Scald, and all those other goodies with that bulk. Fun times ahead.
Anonymous
>>21332230 I really like how instead of making every mega min/maxed, they set niches for each one. M-Camerupt is the quintessential trick room team mega.
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>>21332230 I was always neutral about it, but I'm fucking impressed by Camerupt. Trick Room is definitely the path to victory, but it's got enough bulk, enough power, and a good suite of Sheer Force moves to put in work.
Us "ok" Mega bros gotta stick together. The obvious, top-tier powerhouses are fun and all but it's nice to see old, weaker mons get the boost and actually turn out acceptable. They don't need to be the best option, so long as they are a viable option. Makes me happy.
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>>21332038 >Beedrill:65/150/40/15/80/145 This golden, thanks GF.
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>>21332268 as a beedrill bro i can understand, my personal mega is the glass cannon from hell but camerupt is pretty good as well.
jesus.
Anonymous
>>21332038 they should have minmaxed sableye more by taking all its attack
i know it gets sucker punch but its hp is just so low that those defences won't save it
Anonymous
>Getting off Fell Stinger with Mega Beedrill
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>>21333909 >only 60bp after adaptability >only boosts if you kill them it's like a stab power up punch that won't actually raise you attack ever
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>>21333957 you'd be surprised. it ohkos greninja.
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>>21333987 post calc
mine is saying 2HKO
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>>21332260 that's not how you spell mawile
Anonymous
>>21333869 its shitty stats have been fine so far. It still does have an excellent typing after all
Anonymous
>>21334012 o you're right, it barely whiffs. but still. with adaptability the move has potential.
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>>21333909 >not running 120-250missle >not running Pursuit >not running Poison Jab >nor running Drill Run Anonymous
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>>21334037 it needs to be boosted to 50bp to be worth running imo, even with adaptability considered
>>21334031 >priority burn >priority recover >leftovers all unused by the mega
i'll try a calm mind set though
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>>21332230 Altough I feel pretty hyped for the destroyer of worlds and the minmaxing to the limit bug,
this one is the one I want to use more then anyone else
Anonymous
What I really like about these Megas as that basically none of them seem completely useless and most of them have a unique, defined niche. Glalie looks a bit lackluster, but still has Refrigerate Return and explosion. The starters turned out fairly solid. Altaria has no extreme stat but is incredibly versatile thanks to it's movepool, type, and well-rounded build. Pidgeot is very similar to Tornadus-T but gets full-accuracy Hurricane. Overall not too bad.
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>>21332186 i think Hasty/timid with
U turn hurricane heat wave hidden power will be the norm i guess for it
ive always liked pidgeot but even more so thanks to the mega,it helped alot
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>>21335655 audino be pretty good its got the bulk,Recovery only 2 weakness
its just really the healer abilty that annoys everyone
>muh singles useless Anonymous
>>21332038 Well I'm happy about how Mega Diancie turned out now that it has some of the needed moves. Will be using her alot.
Slowbro is the most surprising to me though, never expected that thing to take hits that well.
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>>21335722 I just wish there was a little something more to make it different/better than Tornadus. I think my biggest concern right now is that he simply won't stand out enough to avoid being "outclassed".
I've seen a lot of people posting "non new moves, still route 1 trash" and being disappointed in the lack of movepool upgrades, but I don't think they realize that while it could've been greater it's still pretty good. It'll definitely be capable of putting in work.
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>>21335778 MDiancie is fucking scary.
Anonymous
>>21335805 Look at it this way.
Don't think "Damn, it sucks that Pidgeot didn't get Focus Blast/Blizzard/Thunder/Sing/Boomburst, that would have made it better in OU"
Realize that "Pidgeot is looking pretty similar to Tornadus-T, let's see how it distinguishes itself" is a huge fucking upgrade for the original bird. Tornadus-T is a good fucking Pokemon. It's banned from RU and effective in UU AND OU. If Pidgeot is looking at all similar, it is solid. Perfectly accurate Hurricane with those stats is sweet, Heat Wave means its coverage isn't totally doomed, and then you have Hidden Power, Roost, and U-turn to round it all out. Hell, go for Feather Dance if you wanna be crazy. Even if it does end up slightly outclassed, Pidgeot is good now. Don't stress about what could've been, be thankful that you can actually use Pidgeot competitively now.
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>pidgeot >ym94 >rock smash likely to be an hm again
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>>21336116 Asking for a single move isn't too much. It could have easily been far better. That's the issue. Pidgeot existed at least a decade before Tornadus. It's been on many childhood pokemon teams. It deserved better.
Anonymous
>>21332038 Lopunny gets Jump Kick, not HJK
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>>21336398 Secret Power
>>21337552 It wasn't asking much, and it certainly would've been better, but the point is that what we got is good. Moves can one any time, stats and ability are much more important. It got a solid foundation sadly without many frills, but it can function now.
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>>21337657 Now it learns HJK by level up, we've known this since it's reveal.
Anonymous
Can someone do some calculations for Mega Steelix (or tell me how to do them myself)?
Anonymous
>>21333909 Beedrill moveset:
Fellstinger
poison jab
quick attack
???
Anonymous
>>21337753 Pair it with Tyranitar.
Sand Force works with rock, steel and ground type attacks, giving them a 30% boost.
Steelix gets stab on 2 of those for an extra 50%. Also, those three type have near perfect coverage. With an adamant nature, it can put a serious dent in things with that 125 attack. EQ has 195 power during a sandstorm. Iron Head becomes 156 and Stone Edge becomes 130.
It's gonna be slow as fuck, but whatever. It's got great bulk and defensive typing. Throw evs in attack and hp.
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>>21337552 Mega Pidgeot could be pretty solid as a fast, offensive Defogger. Hurricane spam on it's own is also pretty fantastic, and Heat Wave is decent. It has enough tools to be effective, if not flashy, new, powerful options.
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>>21337910 Protect/Uturn or X Scissor/Poison Jab/Drill Run or Knock Off
Definition of hit and run.
Anonymous
Wait what new moves did M - Sceptile get? Did its special movepool get any better?
Anonymous
>>21337945 >not gyro ballin' out of control Anonymous
>>21338148 I've always preferred moves with fixed attack damage.
But Gyro Ball would work just as well with a brave nature (+attack, -speed). Doesn't it have 150 max power? That's 292 power in sandstorm.
Anonymous
>>21338037 Special movepool got LITERALLY NOTHING. Fuck Game Freak.
If anything, its physical movepool got slightly better. Oh, and it gets Quick Guard, great for fucking over Talonflame in doubles.
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Hyped for world destroying Salamence. Somebody give me a moveset.
Anonymous
>>21332186 I need to see it's shiny.
Anonymous
>>21340833 Glorious gold like the original, with the new blue tips. It's perfect.
Anonymous
Diancie might go to Ubers imho. We haven't had a Fairy with that combination of speed and power yet.
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>>21340886 Sauce?
I'm serious, I've been looking around and I can't seem to get a good image on it.
Anonymous
>>21333909 Wouldn't it be better to just use SD?
Anonymous
>>21340921 The deer still has more HP and access to Herb Geomancy while MGarde has Pixilate Hyper voice shooting off of 165 spa.
Anonymous
So Mence and Diancie are probably ubers. What about the rest? Hard to tell what will happen with that kind of speed creeping
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>baton'ing a swords dance into M-Beedrill
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>>21340981 The Deer speaks for itself is is Uber.
Diancie hits 110 Speed while still having insane offense and has more bulk than Garde. Moonblast and Diamondstorm compound the bulk issue.
Anonymous
>>21341001 If the Hoopa there is a alternate form it's gonna get fun.
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>>21341039 Not saying MDiancie is bad, I just ain't sure if it's Uber worthy.
Anonymous
The quickest quickban in history.
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>>21337657 lopunny learns every fucking fighting move in the book
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>>21338209 at 30 speed with brave it will fucking wreck everything you would use it against
>>21340100 special movepool got dragon pulse back
Anonymous
>>21341119 >King of dragons. Wait for dragonite's mega.
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>>21341317 without multiscale it will be shit
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>>21341347 Instead it will have Regenerate. Prepare your anus.
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Wow, I am more than happy with mega beedrill considering how shit it is to begin with. They really saved my shitmon bro. Thanks GF
Anonymous
>>21341041 It's an alt.
The fact that regular Hoopa picked up Nasty Plot and a physical movepool could send both of them to Ubers. Dark Hoopa is a terror, but Mirage Hoopa looks pretty savage in its own right.
Just to be clear, everyone got a "true final boss" vibe from Hoopa when it was first leaked, right?
Anonymous
>>21341347 It'll have an enhanced multi scale, that applies even without full hp.
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>>21341476 That and a dragon/fairy typing
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>>21341409 >Just to be clear, everyone got a "true final boss" vibe from Hoopa when it was first leaked, right? Yep. I had that thought come to my head.
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>>21341409 Not at first, but now that you mention it... I'm getting Marx flashbacks now.
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>>21332038 It's going to be mandatory to put protect on all m-beedrill to ensure you outspeed things
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>>21341409 That vibe also comes because it's HUEG
>Hoopa Forme 21'04" 1080.3 lbs. Anonymous
So : Why is Mega Salamence good?
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>>21347969 Dragon Dance & Aerilate
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Guessing Sableye could wait a few turns before Mega Evolving ? Maybe ? Still sounds tbh.
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>>21341409 It won't be able to take advantage of these attacking stats with that speed, sadly.
I'm guessing this is Kyurem-B syndrom. (Or Thundurus-T)
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>>21347969 you're kind of dumb aren't you
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>>21340965 >Sword Dance >On something that frail Anonymous
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>>21347969 Are you retarded?
>95/130/90 bulk >base speed of 120 >aerilate > dat moveset >can run a better Bulky DD than Charizard X Anonymous
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>>21341317 >Liking Dragonite unironically. Underrage confirmed, bet you are the one spaming Mega Flygon in every threads.
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>>21341119 >Smogon ban MegaMence thas when i start VGC
