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Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:35:46 No.21344854 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21344877 >>21344899 >>21344903 >>21344981 >>21347167 >>21348195 >>21348733 >>21349242

Reminder that Beedrill, Pidgeot, Steelix, Camerupt, Glalie, Audino and Lopunny will be BL3 by the end of the year.

There's not enough room in a tier for 6 megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:37:10 No.21344877 Report

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>>21344854
smogon sucks anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:38:30 No.21344899 Report

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>>21344854
>There's not enough room in a tier for 6 megas.
>OU has 12

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:38:44 No.21344903 Report

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>>21344854
If they don't get banned from a higher metagame of course

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:44:32 No.21344981 Report

Quoted By: >>21345153

>>21344854
Pidgeot is basically Tornadus-T with a few different pros and cons, and he's banned from RU. I could definitely see Pidgeot following a similar trajectory, and UU could really use more answers to Fighting types. With Hurricane and Heat Wave it's basically a non-suicidal Talonflame minus the priority. Defog is decent for hazard control, U-turn could find a spot, Roost is reliable recovery, and if you really want you can even bring up Work Up from Gen V. It's plenty usable, in spite of the pain of no new moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:55:47 No.21345153 Report

Quoted By: >>21345187

>>21344981
Tornadus-T learns Focus Blast though.

lol fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:58:01 No.21345187 Report

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>>21345153
And has Regenerator, yes, but Pidgeot has perfect accuracy outside rain and can support with Defog. Both have merits.

It still hurts, though...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2014 23:59:57 No.21345215 Report

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>150 atk
>adaptability
>BL3

good one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:04:18 No.21345278 Report

Quoted By: >>21345345 >>21345384 >>21345392 >>21345427

Ubers
>Lati@s
>Slowbro
OU
>Salamence
>Metagross
>Diancie
>Beedrill
>Sceptile
>Swampert
>Sableye
>Altaria
>Gallade
UU
>Lopunny
>Sharpedo
>Steelix
>Camerupt
>Glalie
Shit
>Pidgeot
>Lopunny

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:07:34 No.21345345 Report

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>>21345278
Lopunny should be much higher (UU/BL)
Gallie could be lower
Beedril could be BL
Slowbro should be OU at best
Last 3 of OU could be BL

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:09:58 No.21345384 Report

Quoted By: >>21348775 >>21348815

>>21345278
>OU
>Beedrill
>Sceptile
>Altaria
>Sableye
>Fucking Glalie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:10:23 No.21345392 Report

Quoted By: >>21345428

>>21345278
Pidgeot is not the worst of the new Megas. That's Audino. Not sure how Steelix is gonna fare either.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:12:59 No.21345427 Report

Quoted By: >>21345515

>>21345278
>252+ Atk Lopunny Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Salamence: 248-292 (74.9 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252+ Atk Lopunny Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 296-352 (89.4 - 106.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
>252+ Atk Lopunny Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 392-464 (120.9 - 143.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 338-402 (104.3 - 124%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kangaskhan: 578-684 (164.6 - 194.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:13:02 No.21345428 Report

Quoted By: >>21345589 >>21345602

>>21345392
No audino is good dont judge a pokemon by its shit ability
steelix can utilize both stabs with sand force itll be mega aggron 2.0

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:18:22 No.21345515 Report

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>>21345427
Pidgeot OHKOes it with HP Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:23:21 No.21345589 Report

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>>21345428
IT really screams support, but is outclassed at stalling/wish passing by a lot of other mons.
It'll be like hitmontop, low tier in singles, but high tier in doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:24:05 No.21345602 Report

Quoted By: >>21348349

>>21345428
Fair points. I just don't think Pidgeot is a completely lost cause either. Totally looks capable for UU, this is no Abomasnow.

Damn though, if it got additional moves it would be so much better. The stats and ability laid a great foundation but the moveset failed to deliver anything beyond "usable". It was painfully close.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:24:36 No.21345611 Report

Quoted By: >>21345637 >>21345795 >>21349052

>PU tier
Audino
>It sucks tier
Sableye
Altaria
Glalie
Camerupt
Pidgeot
>meh tier
Sharpedo
Steelix
Beedrill
Sceptile
>bretty gud tier
Slowbro
Diancie
Swampert
Lopunny
Metagross
Lati@s
>oh god get it away from me tier
Salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:26:39 No.21345637 Report

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>>21345611
switch pidgeot and steelix and you got a proper list.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 00:37:24 No.21345795 Report

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>>21345611
>altaria sucks
>altaria lower than Steelix
>Lopunny in bretty gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 02:00:57 No.21347167 Report

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>>21344854

>not know how tiers work

The non megas will be in the same places as before.

The mega stones will just be banned in that tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 03:08:59 No.21348195 Report

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>>21344854

But Beedrill's gonna be UU, where we call him Two-Way. with all those U-Turns he's gonna be making

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 03:19:02 No.21348349 Report

Quoted By: >>21348689

>>21345602
Goddddd it hurts.

It's SO CLOSE. Focus Blast ALONE would have made it respectable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 03:43:29 No.21348689 Report

Quoted By: >>21348914

>>21348349
I'm really bummed out, actually. It's such an improvement over Pidgeot, but the disappointment of what could've been is starting to drown out the fun of no-miss Hurricane spam. I'd even be happy if it found a place in UU dealing with the numerous Fighting and Grass types, but with all the new powerhouses and tier shifts I'm worried about its chances even there. Frankly, it's a pretty decent Pokemon overall, it's just iffy as a Mega.

Damnit, GameFreak. Aced the design, aced the stats, aced the base niche, teased us all so hard, and then fell just short with the movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 03:47:55 No.21348733 Report

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>>21344854
Reminder than Mega Banette and Obama made it to RU and that Mega Absol is excellent in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 03:51:39 No.21348775 Report

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>>21345384
>Altaria
But that's actually correct. Run some calcs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 03:55:20 No.21348815 Report

Quoted By: >>21348957

>>21348775
>775▶
>>>21345384
I saw a few. It looked pretty scary with a Dragon Dance boost, which it has plenty of opportunities to pull thanks to its typing and bulk. Plus it can pull support cleric sets with mono-attack Return or Hyper Voice. Even Agility and Cotton Guard are options. Fairly versatile mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:03:51 No.21348914 Report

Quoted By: >>21348964

>>21348689
I feel you anon, there where so many moves they could have give it

>Focus Blast
>Boomburst
>Blizard

Any of those would have been pretty good, two or even the three of them would have been fantastic.

there's really no hope for it, is it? No eggmoves nor TM?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:07:20 No.21348957 Report

Quoted By: >>21348987

>>21348815
What's the source of this art? I've seen a few but I want to see more

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:07:45 No.21348964 Report

Quoted By: >>21348999 >>21349075

>>21348914
Not in this game. Maybe some day. The stats and ability are solid enough, allowing room for eventual improvement. Even now, I think the thing is Mega Absol/Ampharos/Blastoise tier. High-powered STAB, confusion hax, a coverage combo that works for Talonflame, fast Defog, Roost, and even U-turn.

It could've been better, but it certainly could've been a lot worse. I only hope it makes a name for itself somehow. It's got a shot in UU.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:09:01 No.21348987 Report

Quoted By: >>21349075

>>21348957
http://ishmam.deviantart.com/gallery/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:09:49 No.21348999 Report

Quoted By: >>21349047 >>21349082 >>21350048

>>21348964
Eh, the tutors are probably unfinished.
>Dark Pulse and Sleep Talk are TMs
>they're still listed as Move Tutors
>Blastoise and Deoxys STILL aren't compatible with the Dark Pulse Tutor despite learning it from the TM
Not even Game Freak is this sloppy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:11:32 No.21349026 Report

Quoted By: >>21349115

>Caring about Smogon
>Caring about Simulators
Dogars 4 lyfe

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:13:02 No.21349047 Report

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>>21348999
Still, GameFreak seems to have some sort of pathological issue with giving birds more than a few crumbs of non-STAB. Even if the demo info was incomplete on the tutors, I don't know what could possibly change for Pidgeot. Not getting my hopes up, just working on accepting what we got and finding ways to make it work. At least we're better off than some Megabros. No Guard Hurricane off 135/121 offense is SOMETHING.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:13:14 No.21349052 Report

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>>21345611
You forgot Gallade m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:14:36 No.21349075 Report

Quoted By: >>21349119 >>21349523

>>21348964
I know, it feels like it has a lot of unexploited potential. Hopefully in the near future we can use this bad guy properly.

>>21348987
Thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:15:15 No.21349082 Report

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>>21348999
>Not even Game Freak is this sloppy.
I feel like there are several Bulbapedia tier trivia entries about learnsets I could reference. But maybe not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:17:25 No.21349115 Report

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>>21349026
Boy I'll sure enjoy trying to use Steelix in VGC!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:17:33 No.21349119 Report

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>>21349075
I'm hoping for Mega Pidgeot to be a sleeper hit. The ability/stat combo is such that it could get a move in a new game or generation and suddenly become markedly more powerful. In the meantime it has just enough tools to get by, could end up as a decent UU bird. It's got the makings of a solid pivot and cleaner with a fast hazard control option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:29:30 No.21349242 Report

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>>21344854
Almost all of them CAN be useful, but they aren't necessarily worth it over the other powerhouse Megas apart from favoritism.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 04:59:30 No.21349523 Report

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>>21349075
The folks in the UU forums at Smogon seem pretty excited for Pidgeot as a revenge killer/cleaner and offensive defogger.

Nobody here seems to be able to look past "NO MOVES" and "LOL STONE EDGE", and the OU-only crowd has greeted it as Tornadus-T that takes a Mega Slot, but the players who are UU regulars seem to think it will fare quite well there. That gives me some hope for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 05:12:17 No.21349620 Report

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>>21344899
But OU is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2014 06:05:18 No.21350048 Report

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>>21348999
Elgyem and Beeheeyem learn Steel Wing by tm (Ally Switch in gen 5).

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