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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:15:05 No.21377315 View View Reply Original Report

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Adamant or Jolly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:17:18 No.21377336 Report

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I think the better question is - now that it has speed, is it still a good idea to run it bulky or will maxing speed be better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:17:32 No.21377338 Report

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>>21377315
depends on evs/moveset and what you wanna do with it, this question is stupid anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:18:08 No.21377347 Report

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>>21377315
It's probably made out of adamantium. Not sure what a jollyite is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:18:26 No.21377349 Report

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>>21377338

Not running agility

Bullet Punch
MM
EQ
Coverage Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:19:01 No.21377353 Report

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>>21377315
Bulky Adamant if Rock Polish or Jolly if not boosting

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:24:16 No.21377398 Report

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adamant

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:26:06 No.21377415 Report

Quoted By: >>21377437 >>21377810 >>21378853

Jolly with a Hone Claws set.

Hone Claws
Meteor Mash
EQ
Zen Headbutt/Ice Punch

Set up on Lati@s or even fucking Salamence and you're good to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:29:17 No.21377437 Report

Quoted By: >>21377788 >>21382697

>>21377415
Does it even learn hone claws? Fuck, if only it had fire punch you could run meteor mash, ice punch and fire punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 04:30:04 No.21377445 Report

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jolly
meteor mash is a must
bullet punch
ice punch + eq?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 05:15:47 No.21377788 Report

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>>21377437
>Does it even learn hone claws?
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 05:16:43 No.21377797 Report

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 05:17:41 No.21377805 Report

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>>21377349
That four move syndrome man.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 05:18:01 No.21377810 Report

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>>21377415
>hone claws
>Zen headbutt

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 07:03:52 No.21378692 Report

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Bamp

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 07:06:47 No.21378708 Report

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>>21377315
My votes Adamant. Its got both Agility and Bullet Punch to patch up Speed, and it speed ties with way too many nigs already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 07:34:07 No.21378853 Report

Quoted By: >>21378870 >>21380784

Depends on if you want to use Hone Claws/no boosting move, or Agility.

>>21377415
Steel/Ice/Ground provides perfect coverage, swapping out Ice for Thunderpunch also works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 07:37:02 No.21378870 Report

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>>21378853
>steel/ice/ground
>perfect coverage
>what is rotom
Perfect neutral coverage doesn't matter much anyway, since neutral ice punch hits like a light slap and he's walled by a shit ton of things anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 07:42:43 No.21378895 Report

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>>21378870
It'll be a little more than a slap off both Tough Claws and 145 base attack. And possibly +1 due to Meteor Mash.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 07:47:11 No.21378911 Report

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>>21377315
not sure if you are aware but dark and fire types exist.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 07:48:13 No.21378916 Report

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>>21378895
Considering base 145 TC is weaker than base 135 CB and just barely stronger than base 135 LO Metagross still has the exact same problems it's always had. EQ doesn't even get the TC boost.

I think it's absolutely criminal he got fucking +10 attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:45:51 No.21380784 Report

Quoted By: >>21380803

>>21378853
>rotom
>zapdos
>siczor
>talon
>charizardY

perfect coverage hahahaha Metagross can't coverage everything because gamefreak sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:46:47 No.21380794 Report

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>>21377315
Adamant for Agility sets, Jolly for everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:47:46 No.21380803 Report

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>>21380784
Earthquake deals neutral on Scizor. Thunderpunch hits Talonflame and CharY.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:48:58 No.21380811 Report

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Jolly+Hone Claws, Agility alone is far too weak.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:50:51 No.21380831 Report

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>>21378916
thats why I say metagros still sucks, BL/OU not more but /vp/ scrubs say its broken or too strong. hahaha
miss the time where I wrecked everythign with metagross back in gen3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:52:30 No.21380852 Report

Quoted By: >>21380927 >>21381022 >>21382409

>>21378916
>equivalent of 209 attack when using a contact move
>higher than average speed
>monstrous bulk
>decent defensive type
>usable movepool
What the absolute fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:02:36 No.21380927 Report

Quoted By: >>21380962 >>21380968

>>21380852
>decent bulk / defensive typing
weakness against dark,ghost,fire,ground (thx GF)
>usable movepool
the movepool actually sucks ass

>2009 attack with muh shit ability
intimidate,burn, walled by everything whats tanky

why talk about this shitmon if there is godlike salamence who can fuck up rayquaza M

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:04:43 No.21380962 Report

Quoted By: >>21380980 >>21381011

>>21380927
>i-if it's not stupidly broken like m-salamence it's not g-good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:05:22 No.21380968 Report

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>>21380927
because I like his design ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:06:25 No.21380980 Report

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>>21380962
thats not what I mean, but its not good. there are way better tanky offensive pokemon without wasting your mega slot .

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:09:08 No.21381011 Report

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>>21380962
dude Metagross is my fav pokemon since gen3 release but it seriously sucks. the steel nerf against dark type was fucking shit.
and still no fucking boost move besides agility crap is pretty anoying, I still hope that there are more tutors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:09:55 No.21381022 Report

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>>21380852
Okay. TC gives a boost equivalent to Life Orb. Before his Mega Evolution Metagross commonly ran either life orb agility or choice band. You say Mega Metagross is powerful, but it's just barely stronger than its base form because of no item.

It got practically no attack, which is criminal. Mega Metagross is nearly exactly the same as ordinary gross and has solved none of his problems.

I foresee defensive mega metagross being the most prevalent set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:10:50 No.21381039 Report

Quoted By: >>21381047 >>21381081

>>21381011
>what is hone claws

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:11:37 No.21381047 Report

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>>21381039
Garbage.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:12:04 No.21381054 Report

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>try to breed for beldum
>don't have a jolly ditto, so i just go until i get a jolly one
>second egg is jolly
>take it to the IV guy
>5 IVs
>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:13:11 No.21381065 Report

Quoted By: >>21381097 >>21381098

>>21380831
Its problem was aegislash and knock off
no aegi in Ou
knoci off half the power itll be great pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:14:35 No.21381081 Report

Quoted By: >>21381090

>>21381039
idiot
>>21381047
^this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:15:20 No.21381090 Report

Quoted By: >>21381117 >>21381118

>>21381047
>>21381081
what boosting move would make sense on it then? hone claws boosts attack, and makes meteor mash more accurate which can also further boost its attack. it's in a decent speed tier now as a result of the mega and has the defensive stats to balk hits regardless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:15:59 No.21381097 Report

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>>21381065
>it's problem was Aegislash
It's problem was Metagross is easily walled and weak as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:16:24 No.21381098 Report

Quoted By: >>21381119 >>21381146

>>21381065
>implying only smogon exist
you fuqing dumbass
>implying aegislash will not be OU in oRaS.
*what is VGC
*what is WiFi
*what is official
*what is offline tournaments
kill yourself smogonshit crap tard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:18:21 No.21381117 Report

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>>21381090
It'd appreciate both swords dance and bulk up with its new speed tier and defence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:18:26 No.21381118 Report

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>>21381090
Swords Dance
Bulk Up
Dragon Dance
SHIFT GEAR !!!
srsly even calm mind would be better.

I love Metagross but he is so fucking overrated by game freak...they don't know there own games. pretty sad if you ask me

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:18:33 No.21381119 Report

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>>21381098

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:21:53 No.21381146 Report

Quoted By: >>21381163 >>21381211

>>21381098
>*what is offline tournaments
Some of these use Smogon rules.

Even more annoying when they call them "standard Smogon rules".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:21:54 No.21381147 Report

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>>21381119
dude I play competitive since there was GS Simulator before netbattle exists so don't try to be cool. All I say is smogon is not the only way to play competitive, there is a thing called 3ds where you can play pokemon with you know?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:24:04 No.21381163 Report

Quoted By: >>21381617 >>21381638

>>21381146
actually me and my guys (about 30 people) we play with clauses if we play singles, but we don't bann fucking everything except kanga,gengar and blaziken. smogons tier list is retarded and everyone who say "m-muh smogon rules, b-but my kyuremb, my keldeo,i cant handle aegislash because no brain" is just a stupid moron without life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:28:12 No.21381211 Report

Quoted By: >>21381224 >>21381233

>>21381146
It's most funny in that offline torunaments ussually take some time to organize. In most cases, the standard smogon rulesets changes twice between the announcement andthe actual tournament, ensurung maximum confusion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:29:22 No.21381217 Report

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>>21381147
muh nigger

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:30:33 No.21381224 Report

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>>21381211
How drunk was I when I typed this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:31:13 No.21381232 Report

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At least Knock Off won't really bother Metagross too much now if it's holding a Metagrossite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:31:21 No.21381233 Report

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>>21381211
A tournament should be using different rules anyway. Smogon's rules (there bans especially) are intended for a laddering environment, like on showdown. An environment where you could play 11 or 12 games in a very short time. Hence why they're against centralizing pokemon.

But that doesn't happen with tournaments. Just lay down some basics and go to town.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:38:08 No.21381292 Report

Quoted By: >>21381306 >>21381328

Daily reminder that the only thing the mega did for Gross was give him +40 speed, he still has 4 MSSyndrome, still has no good boosting move, still gets walled by everything under the sun except now it takes up a slot that could be used by a mega that's actually good. Gross is still thrash and will continue being thrash until GF pulls their heads out of their asses and decide to give the fucking thing good moves to work with because what it has now simply isn't enough for it to do its job properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:39:32 No.21381306 Report

Quoted By: >>21381310 >>21381336

>>21381292
They gave him defences, why not use him defensively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:40:09 No.21381310 Report

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>>21381306
Because you could just use MSlowbro instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:42:36 No.21381328 Report

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>>21381292
The speed matters a lot though. Now, Meatgross is the bulkiest thing in the higher speed bracket. It has a niche at least.
And if VGC really is Hoenn only, it will be one of the premier M-Mence counters (next to Milotic). So I really guess it will have some relevance next season.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:43:57 No.21381336 Report

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>>21381306
no recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:46:55 No.21381368 Report

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>>21381328
Salamence could just start running Fire Blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 14:47:41 No.21381375 Report

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>>21381368
>implying Metagross gives as shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:04:42 No.21381522 Report

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>>21381375
>0 SpA Salamence Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 170-202 (56.4 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 Atk Tough Claws Metagross Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 316-376 (95.4 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Both with no EVs with neutral natures. Stats set to the stats their megas have.

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:10:40 No.21381565 Report

Quoted By: >>21381590 >>21381663 >>21381695

You know, for people who claim to "like" Metagross, you guys sure seem stubborn in saying that he's shit.

At least others are coming up with movesets and ideas for using him instead of going "IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT MUH BRO".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:13:19 No.21381590 Report

Quoted By: >>21381673

>>21381565
Being a realist.

I want him to stay in UU where he's actually good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:17:42 No.21381617 Report

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>>21381163
What about Ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:20:17 No.21381638 Report

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>>21381163
I hope you aren't Implying Kyurem-B should be uber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:22:35 No.21381652 Report

Quoted By: >>21381681

you guys should know by now, anything over 101 speed should ALWAYS be +speed nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:23:54 No.21381663 Report

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>>21381565
Because GF fixed exactly zero of the problems Gross has, the mega might as well not exist since all the mega does is give it increased speed+bulk and a conditional LO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:23:59 No.21381664 Report

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>>21377315
Jolly

Metagross @Metagrossite
Clear Body --- Tough Claws

Meteor Mash / Bullet Punch
Zen Headbutt
Brick Break
Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:25:16 No.21381673 Report

Quoted By: >>21381700 >>21382773

>>21381590
Metagross is liquid garbage in UU right now. It's one of those mons that immediately tells you how bad the opponent is.

That said, Megagross will be WAY too strong for UU. I don't think for a second it will stay UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:26:05 No.21381681 Report

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>>21381652
Only if you're running 252 speed to begin with.

If Metagross opts to run agility you can run less than 100 speed EVs and an adamant nature yet outspeed scarf lati@s after setting up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:27:27 No.21381695 Report

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>>21381565
Liking something means accepting that that something is competitively utter garbage and is only used because of nostalgia and karen-faggotry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:28:02 No.21381700 Report

Quoted By: >>21381721 >>21381723 >>21381733 >>21381834

>>21381673
>too strong
But Megagross is barely stronger than basegross. It's much faster and bulkier however. If anything it has a small niche as a speedy tank like Lati@s

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:30:45 No.21381721 Report

Quoted By: >>21381748

>>21381700
It's weaker than Band gross and like 3/4% stronger than LO gross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:31:05 No.21381723 Report

Quoted By: >>21381768

>>21381700
tough claws and the massive speed boost are big deals

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:32:10 No.21381733 Report

Quoted By: >>21381768

>>21381700
Tough Claws and a higher attack stat without the drawback of LO damage doesn't make it barely stronger. It makes it purely stronger. And the speed/defenses is really what's going to break it in UU. It won't be S rank OU any time soon, but at worst it will be BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:33:52 No.21381748 Report

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>>21381721
Exactly. It's bulky as well as incredibly fast, but weak. Just like Mega Swampert it's only real niche is against Offensive teams that lack a strong defensive core to handle its attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:35:41 No.21381768 Report

Quoted By: >>21381780

>>21381723
>>21381733
Tough claws is just a conditional life orb. Metagross' central problem has always been a lack of power. The Mega has changed nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:36:41 No.21381780 Report

Quoted By: >>21381813

>>21381768
The majority of its viable moves make contact. It's really just Earthquake that doesn't have it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:38:19 No.21381794 Report

Quoted By: >>21381815

I just realized something. Agility Megagross will be able to run Adamant without speed investment and will outspeed jolly 252 Deo-S. Holy fuck this is going to be great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:39:48 No.21381813 Report

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>>21381780
That's not my point. Regular metagross commonly ran choice band, and agility Metagross commonly ran Life Orb. Megagross is barely stronger than offensive metagross variants, and Metagross' main problem was a total lack of power. Metagross' new speed is almost superfluous and doesn't really help him, his newfound bulk is really all that's saving him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:39:54 No.21381815 Report

Quoted By: >>21381836

>>21381794
But is there anything it can't kill that it would otherwise be able to at +1?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:42:28 No.21381834 Report

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>>21381700
this. gross has the problem of being too damn easy to wall, no matter what coverage it picks. psychic/steel is a bad STAB combo especially off 80/90 base power, and all of its coverage options are either piss-weak (elemental punches) or easy to play around (hammer arm/earthquake). it'll have an easier time against offense where its counters like slowbro and skarm aren't as common, but its damage output is going to be disappointing either way once it's usable in battle.

Oh well, at least it's still a good fairy killer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:42:50 No.21381836 Report

Quoted By: >>21381880

>>21381815
In UU it's going to be bulky and fast enough to not give a shit about things that would otherwise threaten to revenge kill it. OU is another matter entirely, but speaking from the standpoint of a UU player, this thing is going to be a nightmare for the minute and a half it's allowed there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:46:52 No.21381880 Report

Quoted By: >>21381919

>>21381836
OR, it doesn't matter if you can't revenge kill it because Megagross is weak as fuck and you can easily take a hit and KO back with half the pokemon on your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:51:12 No.21381919 Report

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>>21381880
It will be an incredibly bulky sweeper. You have a team that can soften walls enough for Megagross to break through. It's not 1 Megagross vs. 3 defensive Jirachis and 3 CB Victinis. If you're judging a Pokemon's viability by how it can't 1v6 teams you obviously don't know enough about the subject for your opinion to matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 15:52:11 No.21381924 Report

Quoted By: >>21382039

80/145/110 bulk is nothing to laugh at, but gross will be extremely susceptible to being worn down. it'll be taking a lot of damage since it lacks the power to bust through so many offensive staples before they can get a hit off, at best you can kill one pokemon and damage another significantly before being picked off.

I wonder if running explosion is a viable alternative here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 16:07:11 No.21382039 Report

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>>21381924
>I wonder if running explosion is a viable alternative here
Running something else would be the best alternative since MMgross is a NU shitmon that is being kept where it is by incompetent people that don't know better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 16:41:36 No.21382409 Report

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>>21380852
Clear body before evolving

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 16:49:03 No.21382509 Report

Quoted By: >>21382547

Does anyone know if metagross will learn drain punch from tutors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 16:51:39 No.21382547 Report

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>>21382509
Didn't get shit from tutors this time around apart from Ice and Thunder Punch

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 16:54:59 No.21382595 Report

Quoted By: >>21382632

Can someone give me the ORAS info we got from the demo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 16:55:46 No.21382609 Report

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>>21377315
Jolly, unless you're using Agility. In which case Adamant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 16:57:14 No.21382632 Report

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>>21382595
Open wide, Anon.
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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:00:00 No.21382667 Report

Quoted By: >>21382694

Do you think magnet rise will finally find a pokemon it is viable on?
There are so many pokemon that would rely on earthquake coverage to hit metagross, but thanks to its high speed metagross can set up a magnet rise before taking a hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:01:44 No.21382684 Report

Quoted By: >>21382704 >>21382718

Does it get any boosting moves other than Agility or Hone Claws?
Hone Claws could work since it patches up the low accuracy of Meteor Mash and Zen Headbutt, which leaves you with HC/MM/ZH and filler, whether it's EQ for Heatran, Thunder Punch for Skarmory/Slowbro, Hammer Arm for Ferrothorn

For sure though, it's definitely going to struggle with Steel walls, if only GF didn't hate Metagross so much
+10 points to Atk is a fucking crime though, I was really expecting +30

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:03:02 No.21382694 Report

Quoted By: >>21383818

>>21382667
>have to give up a moveslot for it
>only lasts 5 turns
>three other weaknesses two of which that are also extremely prevalent
Magnet rise will never be good on anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:03:32 No.21382697 Report

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>>21377437
You would be completly walled by Heatran.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:04:16 No.21382704 Report

Quoted By: >>21382714 >>21382733

>>21382684
Tough claws substitutes for base attack stat. Same with charizard x

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:05:08 No.21382714 Report

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>>21382704
Too bad Fire/Dragon is a great combination.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:05:15 No.21382718 Report

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>>21382684
I guess you're close to the point of use of MMetagross.

>If Jolly
- Hone Claws
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- *Filler*
252 Ata, 252 Spe

>If Adamant
- Agility
- Iron Head (It's TC Boosted and you have another flinch chance)
- Zen Headbutt
- Filler
252 Atk and the rest spared to increase its bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:06:35 No.21382733 Report

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>>21382704
The difference is charizard has near perfect stab coverage and 120 bp moves. Metagross has no 100+ bp move boosted by tough claws, STABs that are easily walled, and no good boosting nove. Metagross is pitifully weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:10:08 No.21382760 Report

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>>21381522
Yeah that's pretty much what I was saying, dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:11:19 No.21382773 Report

Quoted By: >>21382799 >>21383136

>>21381673
>It's one of those mons that immediately tells you how bad the opponent is.
Believing this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:12:49 No.21382799 Report

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>>21382773
Metagross is UU's ambipom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:16:30 No.21382841 Report

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>>21377315

If you're asking that question you already know the answer.

Are you looking for an extra kick against things you know you'll outspeed? Adamant.

Are you looking for more assurance to hit first? Jolly.

Either is fine. I'm sick of seeing these threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:38:15 No.21383136 Report

Quoted By: >>21383207

>>21382773
What part of "everything it does something else does better" do you not understand? It's a shitty wall because it has no good recovery, it's a shitty wallbreaker because it can't actually break through any wall and it's a shitty sweeper because it can't kill anything.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:41:53 No.21383194 Report

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Fucking baboons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:43:07 No.21383207 Report

Quoted By: >>21383219

>>21383136
So it's mega swampert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 17:44:14 No.21383219 Report

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>>21383207
Basically. Seeing all the hype around both of them is painful to watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:09:57 No.21383592 Report

Quoted By: >>21384709 >>21384899

>Taking advice from the same board that said Mega Mawile would be bad, you shouldn't run Mega Lucario since "you should use the mega slot for something else since it's barely better than LO Lucario", Talonflame would be UU even with Priority Brave Bird, Greninja would be low OU and drop to UU, Mega Charizard would be bad because muh rocks and no one would waste a mega slot on it, said Mega Manectric was a shitmon etc etc

I'm not sure why people try to talk about how good a mon will be in competitive on this board. The utter incompetence shows every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:22:00 No.21383773 Report

Quoted By:

>>21377315
cant you go jolly with power up punch and shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:24:48 No.21383818 Report

Quoted By: >>21383903

>>21382694
This just makes me wish there was an ability that sets up gravity or magnet rise immediately

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:31:03 No.21383903 Report

Quoted By: >>21383951

>>21383818
You mean like levitate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:33:45 No.21383951 Report

Quoted By: >>21384039

>>21383903
huh weird I always thought magnet rise did other things asides from levitate
instant gravity might be cool though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:33:51 No.21383956 Report

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Way not running mixed ?

I used a similar set in 4gen
EV's: 80 HP /124 Atk/252 SpA/ 52 Spe
Nature: Quiet
EQ
Meteor Mash/Bullet Punch
Psychic
HP Fire / Grass Knot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:36:13 No.21383986 Report

Quoted By: >>21384010 >>21384029

Why not running mixed ?

Nature and EV's need ajustment

EV's: 80 HP /124 Atk/252 SpA/ 52 Spe

Nature: Quiet
EQ
Meteor Mash/Bullet Punch
Psychic
HP Fire / Grass Knot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:38:11 No.21384010 Report

Quoted By:

>>21383986
>quiet
holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:39:41 No.21384029 Report

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>>21383986
sugets a better one? perhaps Hasty ?

Forgot to suggest Shadow ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 18:40:47 No.21384039 Report

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>>21383951
>lowers evasion and hits all flying and levitating pokemon and those holding air balloon for five turns
>even makes those pokemon get affected by toxic spikes and spikes
That sounds great actually. I'd love for a pokemon to get that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 19:22:48 No.21384709 Report

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>>21383592
You realize almost the exact same things were said by Smogon when XY were new? Especially about Charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 19:34:48 No.21384899 Report

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>>21383592
Yes anon. Mega Metagross will clearly be A+ rank OU and be a top contender for a mega spot. It's not like it'stthe exact same thing as regular metagross who's a shitmon that should've dropped into RU months ago.

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