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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:18:54 No.21379571 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21379588 >>21379599 >>21379630 >>21379673 >>21380368 >>21380672

>base 150 attack
Is it a complete waste or can it make use of Earthquake now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:20:14 No.21379579 Report

Quoted By: >>21379589 >>21379590

what would earthquake even hit?

best thing you can do with its attack is lure special walls with waterfall, but I don't think dedicated special walls are that common in ubers anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:22:06 No.21379588 Report

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>>21379571
Complete waste.

>Shit ability since Kyogre is already resistant to fire. Only good for doubles/triples support.
>Wasted attack stats
>wtf defence and speed

Groudon and Rayquaza ascends to the realm of super deity while Kyogre is stuck in the abyss below.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:22:27 No.21379589 Report

Quoted By: >>21379596

>>21379579
It hits PGroundon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:22:41 No.21379590 Report

Quoted By: >>21379596

>>21379579
Primal Groudon is P-Kyogre loses the weather war.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:24:43 No.21379596 Report

Quoted By: >>21379604 >>21379629

>>21379589
>>21379590

252 Atk Kyogre Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 81-96 (20 - 23.7%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

This was done with base 150 Atk for Kyogre and base 160 Def for Groudon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:25:16 No.21379598 Report

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This Primal is shit in every way.
It should go to OU :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:25:18 No.21379599 Report

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>>21379571
>0 Atk Primal Kyogre Aqua Tail vs. 0 Atk Kyogre Aqua Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey in Rain: 375-442 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Well, there's this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:25:46 No.21379604 Report

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>>21379596
Err you need to double that number, forgot to change Groudon's type to ground/fire.
Either way, it doesn't even 2HKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:26:10 No.21379609 Report

Quoted By: >>21379614

Does it get Iron?
Maybe Xerneas

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:27:06 No.21379612 Report

Quoted By: >>21379633 >>21379639

Can Groudon use its new 150 Sp.Atk stat instead? I dunno... Overheat? Solarbeam?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:27:24 No.21379614 Report

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>>21379609
Yeah. Gen V move tutors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:28:52 No.21379621 Report

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No, why would i? It would waste Sheer Cold's slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:29:24 No.21379625 Report

Quoted By: >>21379645

Is there any reason to use regular groudon and kyogre?

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:29:45 No.21379629 Report

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>>21379596
>not using mud slap instead, with that sweet 180 base spatk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:29:55 No.21379630 Report

Quoted By: >>21379642

>>21379571
They really dropped the ball on Primal Kyogre. The fact you can run both primals as well as a mega in your team means that P-Groudon now COUNTERS P-Kyogre, as it can always safely switch on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:31:04 No.21379633 Report

Quoted By: >>21379648 >>21379657

>>21379612
Definitely.

- Earth Power
- Solar Beam
- Eruption + STAB now
- Dragon Pulse too I guess.

- There's also Overheat, Focus Blast, and Fire Blast. You know, the ones almost no one ever use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:31:50 No.21379639 Report

Quoted By: >>21379657

>>21379612
Overheat/Eruption/Fire Blast if it gets it/Solar Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:32:08 No.21379642 Report

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>>21379630
To be honest, after 11 years of Kyogre being so overcentralizing in every metagame where it's allowed, it was about time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:32:52 No.21379645 Report

Quoted By: >>21379661

>>21379625
Scarf on the Ogre, I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:33:17 No.21379648 Report

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>>21379633
Run it mixed is probably the best for now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:35:32 No.21379656 Report

Quoted By: >>21379717

Would this P-Groudon set be good?

Naughty - 252 hp 4 atk 252 spa
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast/Eruption
- Solar Beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:35:41 No.21379657 Report

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>>21379633
>>21379639

252+ Atk Groudon Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew in Sun: 259-306 (75.9 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 SpA Groudon Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew in Sun: 253-298 (74.1 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:36:17 No.21379661 Report

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>>21379645
Aww man i wish theyd just allowed for 1 mega/primal slot, would have really brought some variety into ubers.

Guess I'll try it out and then go back to UU/NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:37:36 No.21379666 Report

Quoted By: >>21379668 >>21379670

Groudon has access to fucking Thunder/Thunderbolt if you're feeling cheeky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:38:36 No.21379668 Report

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>>21379666
>Thunder
>in super intense sunlight
>satan trips
no wonder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:38:46 No.21379670 Report

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>>21379666
Thunder won't work if he's on the field. Thunderbolt though is a cheeky one

Who would he hit exactly aside from P-Kyo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:39:31 No.21379673 Report

Quoted By: >>21379685 >>21379688 >>21380605

>>21379571
>wasted 50 points on a useless stat
>signature move is weaker than Groudon's
>ability is actually a downgrade from regular Drizzle because it can't support its team mates
>100/90 physical bulk makes it impossible to tank P-Groudon and M-Rayquaza's physical moves coming from base 180 attack

All of this HAD to be deliberate. They wanted to nerf Kyogre and they did it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:41:38 No.21379685 Report

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>>21379673
>gave groudon fire-typing to resist ice beams
Better red than dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:42:25 No.21379688 Report

Quoted By: >>21379703

>>21379673
And not to mention it's a water type psyshock / psystrike so it will hit Groudon's defence, not spdefence (if it switches in on groudon)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:43:56 No.21379703 Report

Quoted By: >>21379709

>>21379688
It isn't. Origin Pulse is just a slightly more accurate Hydro Pump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:44:42 No.21379709 Report

Quoted By: >>21380823

>>21379703
Really? But it looks just like them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:46:05 No.21379717 Report

Quoted By: >>21379721 >>21379766

>>21379656
tell me faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:46:46 No.21379721 Report

Quoted By: >>21379795

>>21379717
No. You'll want to max out its attack stat because Precipice Blade is a fucking nuke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:50:52 No.21379746 Report

Quoted By: >>21379762

What is a good check to primal groudon?
Landorus-I can OHKO every time with earthpower, but can be killed by hp ice if groudon uses rock polish.
0 SpA Primal Groudon Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus: 296-352 (92.7 - 110.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Anything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:54:08 No.21379762 Report

Quoted By: >>21379778

>>21379746
Based Deer should have a answer for him? Right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:55:20 No.21379766 Report

Quoted By: >>21379795

>>21379717
It's shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 10:57:11 No.21379778 Report

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>>21379762
fire type primal groudon resists moonblast

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Groudon: 250-295 (65.7 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 11:00:57 No.21379795 Report

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>>21379721
>>21379766
How about this:
Naughty - 252 hp 252 atk 4 spa
- Precipice Blades
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast/Fire Punch
- Solar Beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 12:49:43 No.21380368 Report

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>>21379571
How about a physical set with Waterfall, EQ, Avalanche and Body Slam?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:19:15 No.21380569 Report

Quoted By: >>21380857

Man those 50 points that went into Groudon's special attack should've gone to special defense just so fagdeer would get blown the fuck out.

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Groudon: 216-255 (53.4 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:24:22 No.21380605 Report

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>>21379673
Kyogre has been the best out of the 3 for over a decade, it's about time that Kyogre got the short end of the stick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:33:49 No.21380672 Report

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>>21379571
I think that can make a mixed Kyogre more viable now. But that's the way I see it I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:50:08 No.21380823 Report

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>>21379709
it also hits multiple enemies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:52:52 No.21380857 Report

Quoted By: >>21380889

>>21380569
>after leftovers recovery

does anyone here play the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2014 13:57:54 No.21380889 Report

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>>21380857
Don't be a fag, he probably just forgot to take the Leftovers off the normal Groudon set that the damage calculator started on.

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