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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:18:24 No.21516231 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21516241 >>21516500 >>21516550 >>21516562 >>21520015

>pokemon has sky high attack
>is outmuscled by pokemon with significantly lower attack because of low base power attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:19:15 No.21516241 Report

Quoted By: >>21516307 >>21516513

>>21516231
>is saved by Technician

I don't see the problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:23:05 No.21516282 Report

Quoted By: >>21516349

>pokemon has high attack
>no secondary source of power like an item, ability, or field effect bolstering it
Fuck you mega Abomasnow you're garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:25:13 No.21516307 Report

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>>21516241
This.

I used lead Sash Breloom in the Maison and it's just so good. Got me to like 131 wins until I encountered a Guillotine Pinsir that caught me off-guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:26:52 No.21516349 Report

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>>21516282
100% accuracy Blizzards though

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:41:01 No.21516500 Report

Quoted By: >>21521376

>>21516231

Breloom doesn't have weak attacks retard.
Bullet Seed has 75 BP (before STAB) at its worst like 1/3 of the time.

2/3 of the time it has at least 112.5 BP, wrecks Sub users and Focus Sash/Study too.

Also has one of the strongest mach punches in the game. 100% accuracy sleep move and boosted Rock Tomb.

I mean even with its shitty BST it blows the fuck out of Chesnaught (who doesn't get Spore or Mach Punch lel)

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:41:57 No.21516513 Report

Quoted By: >>21517011

>>21516241

Man, I love Technician.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:45:24 No.21516550 Report

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>>21516231
>Spore
>Technician
>Toxic Heal
What's your problem?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:46:17 No.21516562 Report

Quoted By: >>21516922 >>21520021 >>21520096

>>21516231

You are thinking of Weaville.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 00:56:21 No.21516659 Report

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in terms of importance when attacking a high attack stat probably comes last.

Multipliers are ALWAYS more important than raw base stats. A Life orb? easily worth more than 40 base stat points, often more. a Choice item or a boosting move? gives you a massive boost. Genesect's download basically turned its 120 attack and special attack into fucking roughly 192 base offences.

And lets not forget the importance of base power of the moves themselves. They're directly proportional to damage output. a pokemon using an 80bp move is only doing 2/3s the damage they're doing with a 120bp move. Talonflame has 81 base attack, and has the strongest priority in the game because of bravest bird.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 01:08:37 No.21516788 Report

Quoted By: >>21519945 >>21521307

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 01:22:32 No.21516922 Report

Quoted By: >>21517293 >>21520028

>>21516562

>STAB knock off and ice shard
>great speed and attack

Weavile needs a better ability and a 100+ BP move but it certainly has its niche, just like Breloom.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 01:33:28 No.21517011 Report

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>>21516513

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 02:01:42 No.21517293 Report

Quoted By: >>21519868

>>21516922

thats true it did get a lot out the knock off buff.
But for ice attacks it is stuck wit Ice Punch

or does it get Icicle crash now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 08:08:17 No.21519868 Report

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>>21517293
it got icicle crash as an egg move in X/Y. However knock off/icicle crash isn't a legal combination... until ORAS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 08:38:34 No.21519945 Report

Quoted By: >>21520051

>>21516788
>heavy steel type
>doesn't learn heavy slam

FUCK

it would be so goddamn good with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 08:52:40 No.21520015 Report

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>>21516231
breloom is OU, you fucking nob
it can run multiple sets and both of its abilities are viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 08:54:05 No.21520021 Report

Quoted By: >>21520035

>>21516562
refrigerate mega when?

>fake out
>quick attack
>130 bp ice returns before stab

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 08:56:52 No.21520028 Report

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>>21516922
So basically what you are saying is Weavile needs Technician?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 08:58:48 No.21520035 Report

Quoted By: >>21520045

>>21520021
Why not technician. They can't just give every fucking ice pokemon refrigerate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:04:02 No.21520045 Report

Quoted By: >>21521281

>>21520035
meh, that's only ice shard and fake out
and pursuit i guess, assuming you misjudged and they didn't switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:05:03 No.21520051 Report

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>>21519945
I hope they fix this shit next gen, Metagross is one of the heaviest pokemon in the game and mega evolved it weights something like 1000 kg i think, but honestly even with Heavy Slam it still needs more coverage moves, Shift Gear would be godly on it but it'd push the mega into obscurity, just slap a Life Orb on it, boost when you get the opportunity and enjoy those boosted Meteor Mash+Earthquake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:19:20 No.21520096 Report

Quoted By: >>21520113 >>21520117

>>21516562
I was about to object on the basis that it now gets Icicle Crash, but then I looked the move up.
I really thought it was 100 base power...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:24:13 No.21520113 Report

Quoted By: >>21520117

>>21520096
Mamoswine knows how you feel, at least both have priority, but it's just unfair that even on the debut gen Icicle Crash was 10 less BP than Ice Beam, and it's the only semi strong ice move too, it's not like a bunch of pokes get it either, i can count with my hand the number of viable users of said move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:25:37 No.21520117 Report

Quoted By: >>21520125 >>21520168

>>21520096
>>21520113
doesn't in hit both mons in doubles though?
and it has 30% flinch chance

seems decent enough, just not in singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:28:17 No.21520125 Report

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>>21520117
Nope, single target.
I use it because 30% flinch is better than 10% freeze, but the accuracy is a bit shaky...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:35:47 No.21520168 Report

Quoted By: >>21520208

>>21520117
Even with the XY nerf Ice Beam is 5 points stronger and 100% accurate, Icicle Crash needs to be 100 BP at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:46:24 No.21520208 Report

Quoted By: >>21520219

>>21520168
>100 bp with 30% flinch
>practically 1/3 of the time, you can attack again

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 09:50:41 No.21520219 Report

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>>21520208
>only physical ice move worth a shit outside shard
>currently only 2 viable users

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 13:05:49 No.21521281 Report

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>>21520045
Bite becomes 90 before STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 13:11:36 No.21521307 Report

Quoted By: >>21521360

>>21516788
Mega gross isn't even bad and can fuck things up. Just not as good as everyone thought it would be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 13:20:30 No.21521360 Report

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>>21521307
It's good but Christ would it hurt to give it Heat Crash/Heavy Slam/Stone Edge/Shift Gear/Recover?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2014 13:22:29 No.21521376 Report

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>>21516500
Chesnaught can take a hit, and has recovery.

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