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New Mega Tier lists?

Anonymous Mon 03 Nov 2014 23:42:32 No.21574369 View View Reply Original Report

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So, as of now, how is everybody tiering the new megas? my list as of now is

Uber:
Mega Salamence
Primal Kyogre
Primal Groudon
Mega Rayquaza

High OU:
Mega Slowbro
Mega Metagross
Mega Gallade
Mega Latios
Mega Latias
Mega Altaria
Mega Diancie

Mid/low OU:
Mega Lopunny
Mega Sceptile
Mega Swampert

High UU:
Mega Sharpedo
Mega Beedrill
Mega Camerupt

Mid/low UU:
Mega Steelix
Mega Pidgeot
Mega Sableye

High RU:
Mega Audino
Mega Glalie

Thoughts on this? How close am I?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Nov 2014 23:44:36 No.21574394 Report

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>>21574369
Beedrill will probably bee OU.
Adapt U-turn is really good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Nov 2014 23:44:52 No.21574397 Report

Quoted By: >>21576285 >>21582231

>>21574369
Move Sceptile to mid UU, move Pidgeot to high UU, move Bee to Mid/low OU. And it's spot on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:03:49 No.21574691 Report

Quoted By: >>21574715 >>21574747 >>21574748 >>21574880 >>21581580 >>21581747

My prediction:

Uber:
Primal Kyogre
Primal Groudon
Mega Rayquaza
Mega Latios

High OU:
Mega Salamence
Mega Slowbro
Mega Metagross
Mega Latias
Mega Gallade
Mega Diancie
Mega Sceptile
Mega Swampert
Mega Sableye
Mega Sharpedo

UU:
Mega Altaria
Mega Camerupt
Mega Glalie
Mega Steelix
Mega Lopunny

RU:
Mega Pidgeot

NU:
Mega Beedrill
Mega Audino

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:05:39 No.21574715 Report

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>>21574691
>Mega Beedrill
>NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:06:03 No.21574722 Report

Quoted By: >>21574765 >>21574788

>>21574369
>Ubers
Rayquaza
Both Primals
Salamence
Slowbro
Latias

OU:
Metagross
Gallade
Latios
Diancie
Altaria
Swampert

UU:
Sceptile
Beedrill
Sableye

RU:
Glalie
Audino
Camerupt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:07:12 No.21574747 Report

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>>21574691
>latios in uber
>mence in ou
>any mega in nu
>sharpedo in ou
>altaria in uu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:07:23 No.21574748 Report

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>>21574369
>>21574691

>people putting Sceptile in OU

Is it really performing that well? Everyone was crying doom for it not too long ago, and the only counterargument was "it's good against Rotom".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:08:31 No.21574765 Report

Quoted By: >>21574789

>>21574722
why do people keep putting mega slowbro in ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:09:05 No.21574776 Report

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>>21574748
Of course it's not performing well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:10:01 No.21574788 Report

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>>21574722
forgot about Pidgeot and Sharpedo, put them into UU/BL respectively

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:10:05 No.21574789 Report

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>>21574765
because that nigga doesnt die

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:10:39 No.21574795 Report

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>metagross is OU

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:13:48 No.21574834 Report

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>people still think Altaria will be OU
It'll be UU at best

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:16:21 No.21574859 Report

Quoted By: >>21574898

>>21574776

Do tell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:17:49 No.21574880 Report

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>>21574691
>Mega Latios in Ubers
>Mega Salamence in OU
>>21574834
Elaborate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:19:20 No.21574898 Report

Quoted By: >>21574996 >>21575020

>>21574859
It's grass type. That's enough to kick it down to UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:21:10 No.21574928 Report

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>>21574369
Daily reminder that /vp/ is retarded and any opinions here should be taken lightly.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:25:35 No.21574996 Report

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>>21574898
So Breloom,Ferrothorn,and Venusaur should all drop down to UU due their Grass typing as well right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:26:52 No.21575019 Report

Quoted By: >>21575043 >>21575050

>>21574996
They have redeeming qualities that makes them good in OU despite their typing.

Sceptile has no redeeming qualities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:26:53 No.21575020 Report

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>>21574898

Can't really argue with that as a Grassfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:28:17 No.21575037 Report

Quoted By: >>21581580

Tier predictions are dumb because we're getting to the point where megas' usage will be getting spread thin because there's too many good ones.

>lmao what
Salamence
Latias

>Great
Slowbro
Diancie
Lopunny
Altaria

>Good
Swampert
Metagross
Sceptile
Gallade

>S'alright
Sharpedo
Camerupt
Sableye
Latios

>ehhhhh
Beedrill
Steelix
Glalie
Audino
Pidgeot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:28:49 No.21575043 Report

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>>21575019
>Sceptile has no redeeming qualities.

Absolutely retarded statement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:29:05 No.21575050 Report

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>>21575019
> immune to t-wave
> walls rotom wash to hell
> god-tier mixed attacker
> sanic fast
> very few switch ins

Your move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:31:41 No.21575078 Report

Quoted By: >>21575086 >>21575100 >>21575106 >>21575109 >>21575163 >>21576114

>>21575050
>very few switch ins
Metal type pokemon suddenly doesn't exist now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:32:46 No.21575086 Report

Quoted By: >>21575100

>>21575078
>Steel type pokemon suddenly doesn't exist now?
Fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:33:50 No.21575100 Report

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>>21575078
>>21575086
>Focus Blast and EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:34:03 No.21575106 Report

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>>21575078
Focus Blast, Earthquake and Hidden Power Fire suddenly don't exist now?

Pretty clear you haven't even used Sceptile, so just stop posting and shitting the thread up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:34:08 No.21575109 Report

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>>21575078
>Focus Blast
>Hidden Power Fire
>Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:39:25 No.21575163 Report

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>>21575078
Not even Heatran can wall it due to EQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:44:53 No.21575233 Report

Quoted By: >>21575304 >>21575738 >>21576440

>>21574369

RU: Beedrill, Steelix, Glalie (+), Camerupt (+)

UU: Pidgeot, Gallade (+), Altaria, Sharpedo, Audino, Lopunny (+), Sableye, Sceptile (+)

OU: Slowbro (+), Swampert, Latias, Latios, Hoopa (+), Diancie

Ubers: Salamence, Kyogre, Groudon(+), Rayquaza

The (+) means they're going to be pretty good in their tier. Glalie makes a great wallbreaker and it can 2HKO mola and OHKO gastro with Freeze-Dry, so it's hard to wall.

Camerupt has decent bulk and a terrifying 145 SpA + Sheer Force STABs, but is balanced by a shallow movepool (not that it needs much).

Gallade is good mostly because of its Speed, and it really packs a punch. It gets Shadow Sneak, which helps with faster threats like zam.

Lopunny is incredibly fast, pretty strong, can spam HJK thanks to Scrappy, and has enough room to run support like Healing Wish or Encore.

Sceptile is even faster and stronger, and is immune to paralysis on top of it. It might make BL, but won't make OU with brave burd and all.

Slowbro is the definition of physical bulk and becomes hard to break after a single boost.

Hoopa is basically like Kyurem-B where it has crazy offensive stats, and Magician/not being a mega suggests that it will be able to hold an item to boost that further. Only problem is no resistances and no physical bulk in a physical meta. It does get a shitton of coverage, though

Groudon is infinitely better with one weakness and more resistances. At least now it has the special attack to abuse sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:49:16 No.21575304 Report

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>>21575233
>MEGA BEEDRILL IN RU
>THIS DELUSION

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:56:17 No.21575399 Report

Quoted By: >>21575480 >>21575522

>>21575304
>[anything] used [anything]!
>Beedrill fainted!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 00:58:13 No.21575419 Report

Quoted By: >>21576188

>>21574369
Based off of our current understanding, this is actually very close to the common consensus from Smogon. The only major change I'd make is Slowbro is clearly broken, it'll be banned. Bump Glalie up a bit too.

That being said, where a pokemon lands tier wise isn't as important as it's viability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:00:41 No.21575443 Report

Quoted By: >>21576168

>>21574748
Yes, it's performing better than expected. It's top notch speed is a lot more useful than previous examples (like Electrode or Ninjask) because it actually has passable coverage and is pretty strong. It serves very well as a late game cleaner, and threaten opposing hyper offense as it effectively outspeed all non-scarfed pokemon.

It won't be top tier OU, but its absolutely viable in the tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:03:21 No.21575480 Report

Quoted By: >>21575523 >>21588752

>>21575399
Name those in OU who can succesfully outspeed the bastard and i will believe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:05:51 No.21575522 Report

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>>21575399
Mega Beedrill would destroy anything in RU. I'd say it's either high UU or BL. Maybe even OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:06:01 No.21575523 Report

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>>21575480
Tons of scarfers
Swift Swim anything that's not Omastar
Sand Rush Excadrill

Also priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:07:57 No.21575548 Report

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>>21575304
Yeah, there's no fucking way Beedrill's gonna be RU. It wont' be OU, it's just way too risky, but not RU. It's too potent for that tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:11:31 No.21575601 Report

Quoted By: >>21575630 >>21575699 >>21581661 >>21581687

Please stop listing M-Altaria as anything other than OU. It's a fucking Dragon/Fairy with Pixilate. It can go physical, special, or mixed, and it fits on offensive and defensive teams. It's also the only Fairy that can Dragon Dance. Don't be delusional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:13:41 No.21575630 Report

Quoted By: >>21575647 >>21575680 >>21575710

>>21575601
It's having trouble now because there's a shit ton of Steels running around, but once M-Sala and M-Bro get banned, we'll see a slight decline in Skarmorys and shit, and a rise in Altaria. It's a solid 'mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:14:54 No.21575647 Report

Quoted By: >>21575709

>>21575630
It has Earthquake, and you can always use Magnezone

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:16:53 No.21575680 Report

Quoted By: >>21575709

>>21575630

Pair that shit with a Magnezone like I do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:18:11 No.21575699 Report

Quoted By: >>21575753

>>21575601
fuck off you delusional altariafag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:18:29 No.21575705 Report

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>>21574369
>Mid/low UU
>Mega Sableye

>Beedrill in NU

ITT: Literal retards that don't realize hoe good mega-pokemon are in general

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:18:34 No.21575709 Report

Quoted By: >>21575743 >>21575836

>>21575647
>>21575680
Needed to dedicate a slot+team select is a strike against it when it's competing for that mega slot. It also limits the potential of its sets.

It CAN deal with Steels, but it's not effective. And when Steels are hyper common, it becomes less desirable. (Zone happens to be a big problem for it, specifically scarfzone).

Like I said, it's good, it's just not going to be seeing its full potential until after those 2 get banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:18:38 No.21575710 Report

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>>21575630
You could always run Fire Blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:20:13 No.21575738 Report

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>>21575233
canerupt ru?
this fucker hits as hard as mega mawile

>252+ SpA Sheer Force Camerupt Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 279-328 (81.8 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 279-328 (81.8 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

it wont be top ou, but itll be a mega with a good wallbreaking niche in ou

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:20:46 No.21575743 Report

Quoted By: >>21575803

>>21575709
It's not like Pinsir+Zone hasn't been spammed in XY OU the past couple months, and it's not like they have great defensive synergy with each other.

. Magnezone is a good pokemon in its own right, it's not like we're saying "oh Altaria is great if you give it Baton Pass support."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:21:24 No.21575753 Report

Quoted By: >>21575786

>>21575699

Yeah, I'll fuck off to go continue sweeping teams with it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:23:15 No.21575786 Report

Quoted By: >>21575879 >>21575895

>>21575753
>that shit
>sweeping anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:23:29 No.21575792 Report

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Mega Slowbro isn't broken. It's really, really good, but it's one of those things that you don't need to go out of your way to handle. There's too many good methods to take care of it.

Mega Latias, however, is completely bonkers. Sub/CM/Roost/Stored Power sweeps without even trying. You can just stick like three Dark checks on your team and barely anything can stop you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:24:10 No.21575803 Report

Quoted By: >>21575879

>>21575743
I think you're thinking I'm saying something more extreme than I actually am.

It's OU. It'll be OU. I'm just saying that every little factor affects a Pokemon's usage, so once Steels inevitably die down (from their recent "requirement" of use as a countermeasure to Salamence and shit), Altaria will flourish more.

Having to rely on teammates is not a damning thing, but it is an important thing to consider when designing a team. It makes it harder to slot the 'mon, so if you don't need to worry about teammates, it's always better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:26:27 No.21575836 Report

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>>21575709

Your logic doesn't make sense, M-Pinsir has a hard time against Skarm too. Except Mega Altaria has Fire Blast, EQ, DD, etc. Scarf Zone is outsped and KOd by EQ after a Dance, and mixed sets can handle Ferro Scizor and Skarm with Fire Blast. That's the thing: it doesn't even need Zone on its side to take down Steels. It's that good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:29:42 No.21575879 Report

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>>21575803
>>I think you're thinking I'm saying something more extreme than I actually am.
Ah okay, that's fine.

People like >>21575786 sometimes make me think people who criticize Altaria don't think it's good at all, but I think it's just that one guy because I remember that reaction image there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:30:46 No.21575895 Report

Quoted By: >>21575951

>>21575786

>A DD Dragon/Fairy Pixilate Mega couldn't possibly sweep anything. Dead weight, ignorant pleb!

Let me guess, you're an ebin M-Salamencefag? Top lil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:31:06 No.21575900 Report

Quoted By: >>21575992 >>21581638

>>21574369
>High OU/Uber
Salamence
Slowbro
Latias
Diancie
Hoopa

>OU/BL
Lopunny
Altaria
Latios
Gallade
Metagross
Sceptile
Swampert

>High UU
Sharpedo
Sableye
Beedrill
Camerupt

>UU/BL2
Glalie

>RU
Audino
Steelix
Pidgeot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:34:47 No.21575951 Report

Quoted By: >>21576030 >>21576109

>>21575895
Yeah I am, don't be mad because I use the superior mega, it your own fault for being karenfag shits

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:36:42 No.21575992 Report

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>>21575900
>Placing Hoopa anywhere yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:38:00 No.21576009 Report

Quoted By: >>21576033 >>21576048 >>21576461

Mega Sceptile is surely going to be mid UU
Mega Audino may be the first mega in NU
Mega Gallade will go to high UU or low OU
Mega Lopunny will be OU if the sword is unbanned

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:39:27 No.21576030 Report

Quoted By: >>21576125 >>21576267

>>21575951

Ouch, physically defensive M-Altaria give your broken piece of shit Mega a booboo? Poor guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:39:38 No.21576033 Report

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>>21576009
There are better ways to handle Aegislash than a contact move that takes off 50% of your health if it hits a protect move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:40:16 No.21576048 Report

Quoted By: >>21576080

>>21576009

M-Audino NU? why? is that bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:42:10 No.21576078 Report

Quoted By: >>21576099

did pigeon get any new moves that we know of?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:42:13 No.21576080 Report

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>>21576048
Not him, and it's not.

Though it's passive, it's SO bulky. It's like Cresselia, but with a better typing but no instant recovery. Calm Mind set could be killer in RU, it's one I'd have to see in action to judge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:43:21 No.21576099 Report

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>>21576078
None at all

Pidgeot was so close to being good, just needed five more Speed and Focus Blast, but nah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:43:38 No.21576106 Report

Quoted By: >>21576348

Just after a lot of testing and observations I did, here's my placing:

Uber:
Salamence(SubDD is pretty good, and that's only one option)
Slowbro(I'm a little iffy on this one. I can see how it can be broken, but at the same time it hasn't been too troublesome for most teams with decent special attackers)

OU:
Sceptile(has the right coverage and power to hit a lot of threats in OU pretty hard and the right speed outrun everything that isn't scarfed)
altaria(Great typing, can find many opportunities to switch in after mega evolving)
Metagross(hits pretty hard and has great bulk to take a good chunk of hits)
Gallade(Close Combat from 165 attack is going to hurt, not to mention he has a pretty versatile movepool for other options. WoW and DBond are good stuff)
Lopunny(perfect coverage and amazing speed tier. It can also mitigate having a burn by running Facade or Heal bell)
Diancie(Great coverage and good offensive stats. it can also be a pretty good offensive rock setter)

BL:
Swampert(It's okay in OU, I can honestly see it being there later but it does get stopped by a number of things)
Beedrill(Needs too much support in OU while not giving much to the team and it literally 2HKOs everything in UU. Not to mention hazard control in UU is much easier.

UU:
Pidgeot(I'm honestly not too sure about this. Hurricane/heat wave/u-turn is pretty decent for UU and it does have a good speed tier)
Sharpedo(Strong Jaw crunches hit pretty fucking hard).
Sableye(Only because regular sableye is here)

RU:
Glalie(Pretty good coverage and the spikes-explosion set is pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if this thing made BL2)
Steelix(Not too many redeeming qualities over regular steelix, but I believe its attack is high enough to get it this far.)
Camerupt(possibly BL2/UU) - I only put it here because of its weaknesses, but only a few mons in RU can actually switch into this thing. Slowking might keep camerupt down here, but it may go up seeing how powerful it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:43:51 No.21576109 Report

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>>21575951
Seems more like you're a brain-dead little scrub that can't win without resorting to broken shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:44:14 No.21576114 Report

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>>21575078
metal type pokemon never existed dumbface

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:44:57 No.21576125 Report

Quoted By: >>21576267

>>21576030
>>21576109
He's obviously just shitposting, don't respond

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:47:43 No.21576168 Report

Quoted By: >>21580523

>>21575443

That's nice to hear. What with all the nerfs since gen 3 and ORAS being his last shot at relevance I'd hate for muh bro to wind up PU trash while Swampert and Blaziken have a free ticket to Ubers for life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:49:04 No.21576188 Report

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>>21575419
It's not broken, but Smogon will say it is and ban it anyways so I agree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:54:55 No.21576267 Report

Quoted By: >>21576312 >>21576329 >>21576331

>>21576125
>I don't agree with him so he's shitposting!
Nah it isn't like that bud, i'm just pointing the truths
>>21576030
252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Altaria: 168-198 (51.2 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
yeah great physical wall faggot, worth the moveslot huh?
>>21576109
>calling anyone else a scrub while thinking you're superior for using shitmons
Here's a thing for you, the games about winning not being a special snowflake because "m-muh fwuffy dwagons as good as other dwagons"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:56:31 No.21576285 Report

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>>21574397
>sceptile UU
someone hasn't been playing the ladder, I see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:58:18 No.21576312 Report

Quoted By: >>21576344

>>21576267
>Nah it isn't like that bud, i'm just pointing the truths
>haha faggot.jpg
>ayy lmao.jpg
>m-muh
>don't be mad
>chevrons of implication
Not shitposting lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:59:47 No.21576329 Report

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>>21576267
>using stuff that isn't broken as fuck means you're being a special snowflake

You really are a special kind of retarded aren't you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 01:59:59 No.21576331 Report

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>>21576267

>This pokemon can't wall the #1 quickban suspect in the ORAS meta! Absolute shit!

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:00:42 No.21576344 Report

Quoted By: >>21576368 >>21576426

>>21576312
Exactly, its not shitposting if its the truth and not my problem if altariafags are getting salty over it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:01:02 No.21576348 Report

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>>21576106
Camerupt can run 84 Speed EVs to creep past Slowbro, which is pretty neat in OU.
>Hermitcrab comes in on Fire Blast, takes something like 40%
>next turn OHKOes with Sca-
>FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER EARTH POWER BE ALL UP IN THIS BITCH
>TAKE YOUR FUCKING 63% MINIMUM AND FUCKING CHOKE ON IT FAGGOT AHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:03:07 No.21576368 Report

Quoted By: >>21576389

>>21576344
Sometimes I'm actually genuinely worried for people who can't convery their opinions without using memes.

Are you able to explain why Altaria is bad using logic reasoning and facts? Don't worry, I don't have anywhere to go right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:04:53 No.21576389 Report

Quoted By: >>21576415 >>21576454 >>21576575 >>21576766

>>21576368
because its got shit stats and a shit design

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:06:48 No.21576415 Report

Quoted By: >>21576434

>>21576389
>Shit design
And Mega backpack croissant is better how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:07:53 No.21576426 Report

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>>21576344

The difference between me and you is that you have to resort to using the most broken mon available to you get wins. And then, when it's inevitably banned, you'll have to search deep inside you to find some small semblance of skill at the game, and find the new best win-button to abuse (which, ironically, will probably be M-Altaria once Mence gets banned).

Whereas I'm topping ladders with a non-broken mon. And therein lies the difference: you're only gud with broken mons, and I'm always gud. Sounds to me like you need to GIT gud.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:08:57 No.21576434 Report

Quoted By:

>>21576415
Not the shitposter, but Devilmon looks baller as fuck.

Mega Altaria has the exact stat spread I predicted for it at reveal. It'll be a fine addition to OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:09:35 No.21576440 Report

Quoted By:

>>21575233
>but won't make OU with brave burd and all.
Keldeo, Venusaur, Conkeldurr, Breloom, Pinsir, Heracross and anything frail that doesnt resist Brave Bird (gardevoir, latis etc.) aren't OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:10:55 No.21576454 Report

Quoted By:

>>21576389
Clefable has the same 'problem' and it's top tier OU. You can get away with these things when you're a fairy, let alone Dragon/Fairy. Also the [type]ilate abilities are a little OP, 110 base offenses is fine when your main attack is 133 BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:11:32 No.21576461 Report

Quoted By:

>>21576009
Sceptile will be BL or low/mid OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:22:40 No.21576575 Report

Quoted By:

>>21576389
M-Salamence looks fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:33:35 No.21576766 Report

Quoted By:

>>21576389
Obviously it's design is completely subjective and yes, it's stats aren't as amazing or focused as other Megas, but it has amazing typing and ability once Mega evolved and a wide enough movepool and stats to allow it to run as a Physical, Special or Mixed attacker.

It gets walled by a good few Steel pokes, but it also has the tools to break through many of these walls (just not all at once. Fireblast vs Skarmory and Ferrothorn, EQ vs Heatran and Magnezone.

MegaMence will probably be better in almost all situations bar living through Ice Shard, but it's very likely that will be going to Ubers in its current state, if you play on Showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 02:59:31 No.21577164 Report

Quoted By: >>21577361

This might be a little skewed toward ubers, but here goes.

Mega Salamence is broken. Probably better than most dragons. Period. Aerilate Double Edge with enough bulk to roost next turn. He's scary.

Beedrill dies to priority, so I doubt he'll make it to OU. Probably UU or Borderline, since UU has some priority to deal with him (Arcanine, Doublade, some others I can't think of right now). He's got too much raw power to go below UU.

I think Mega Diancie is underrated. That thing will be a killer. Even if it isn't banned to Ubers, I think it will see some amount of usage in Ubers due to its great stats and ability.

Mega Slowbro is insanely hard to kill, and causes a lot of butthurt from players who don't know how to deal with him. He will likely go to Ubers.

Mega Camerupt might make Trick Room a real threat in OU, and he'll have a niche for sure.

Mega Groudon is Xerneas tier retardedly broken. Grass Knot might deal with him because he's heavy as hell, but there really isn't a lot you can do about him one the Groudon train gets rolling.

Mega Gallade is surprisingly good against Mega Kangashkhan because he isn't wrecked by Fake Out/ Sucker Punch shenanigans and hits pretty hard back.

Mega Kyogre is cool, but I like regular Kyogre better because he can carry a scarf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 03:15:21 No.21577361 Report

Quoted By: >>21577467 >>21577478

>>21577164
>Mega Kyogre is cool, but I like regular Kyogre better because he can carry a scarf.

Can't Primal Kyogre carry a scarf? I'm not sure how Primal evolutions work, do you need a Megastone equivalent?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 03:22:28 No.21577467 Report

Quoted By: >>21577498

>>21577361
They use the Blue/Red orb as megastone equivalents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 03:23:07 No.21577478 Report

Quoted By: >>21577498 >>21577543 >>21577562

>>21577361
They require the Red/Blue Orb to be held. They are basically Mega's that don't take up the Mega slot.

The only thing I'm curious about is, is there now a "Primal slot" too? Or can I have both Primals AND a Mega on my team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 03:24:43 No.21577498 Report

Quoted By:

>>21577467
>>21577478
Oh, didn't know that. That's nice to know. But yeah, Primal Kyogre, Primal Groudon and Mega Rayquaza all at once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 03:27:55 No.21577543 Report

Quoted By:

>>21577478
There is no Primal slot. You can use both P-Kyorge and P-Groudon in the same team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 03:29:44 No.21577562 Report

Quoted By:

>>21577478
Primals don't take up any kind of slot. You can have both Primals and a mega on the same team with no problems whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 12:41:18 No.21580506 Report

Quoted By:

>>21574748
Don't underestimate sanic, bro. That +25 speed on regular Sceptile does so much for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 12:44:17 No.21580523 Report

Quoted By:

>>21576168
Swampert most definitely won't be ubers, son

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 12:54:06 No.21580553 Report

Quoted By: >>21580650

>>21574369
>Mega Diancie
>Not uber

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 12:55:55 No.21580559 Report

Quoted By: >>21581094

>A choice scarfed Garchomp can outspeed and OHKO M.Sceptile with outrage
Sceptile is shit, like all plant types. Get over it, /vp/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 13:21:16 No.21580650 Report

Quoted By:

>>21580553
Diancie is pretty frail though and would be a liability on the turn it mega evolves thanks to 50 speed. It would also be outpaced by it's own speed tier when its running HP Fire due to the move requiring a 30 Speed IV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:12:58 No.21580896 Report

Quoted By: >>21580963

>>21575304
>75 Speed first turn
>frail as shit
>awful STABs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:21:26 No.21580963 Report

Quoted By: >>21580973

>>21580896
>75 speed first turn
stopped reading there, everyone runs protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:23:52 No.21580973 Report

Quoted By:

>>21580963
giving free turns is always nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:27:49 No.21580996 Report

Quoted By:

Only thing mega beedrill will be useful for is u-turning and maybe hitting a fairy or two which is sort of sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:31:37 No.21581019 Report

Quoted By:

>>21574369
Sharpedo will be OU, Slowbro UBER, Altaria, Metagross and Diancie UU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:37:01 No.21581046 Report

Quoted By: >>21581101

Pidgeot is pretty fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:44:38 No.21581085 Report

Quoted By: >>21581098

There's no way OU can support 18 megas. Kick some of those to BL.

Altria and Sableye I'm not sure about. The former has low stats for a Mega, but dat typing. The latter plays absolutely nothing like its normal form.

Camerupt will be underrated. Its typing is better than you would think, since most Electric types can't touch it with Hidden Power Ice/Grass and Sheer Force is one of the best abilities in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:47:05 No.21581094 Report

Quoted By:

>>21580559

>locking yourself into Outrage

You'll give Clefable and Azumarill 2 free turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:47:20 No.21581098 Report

Quoted By:

>>21581085
Camerupt could have been a really decent wallbreaker but being slower than most walls doesn't help it out much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:47:58 No.21581101 Report

Quoted By: >>21581121

>>21581046
>staying in
>against a Rotom

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:49:59 No.21581109 Report

Quoted By: >>21581114

How do I ev train this diancie for its mega? I got a bashful but it's got 6ivs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:50:49 No.21581114 Report

Quoted By: >>21581468

>>21581109
>bashful
release it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:52:12 No.21581121 Report

Quoted By: >>21581130

>>21581101

Mega Pidgeot doesn't give a fuck about being weak to things because the enemy can never attack him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:53:58 No.21581130 Report

Quoted By: >>21581154

>>21581121
>relying on 30% chances

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 14:58:39 No.21581154 Report

Quoted By:

>>21581130
>Scald
>Static
>Air Slash
>Iron Head

30% is 100% in pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 15:47:41 No.21581468 Report

Quoted By: >>21581477

>>21581114
It's neutral with 6ivs so I'm keeping it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 15:49:36 No.21581477 Report

Quoted By: >>21582280

>>21581468
Naive/Hasty/Timid with 2 IVs would be better than that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:06:35 No.21581580 Report

Quoted By: >>21581593

>>21574691
>>21575037

>underestimating beedrill

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:10:41 No.21581593 Report

Quoted By: >>21581608 >>21581649

>>21581580
>no strong stab
>protect will be predictable as fuck
>dies to anything it can't KO
>gets forced out by anything with priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:13:02 No.21581608 Report

Quoted By:

>>21581593

>MegaBee
>NU

MegaBee would absolutely destroy NU.

The worst MegaBee will be is BL2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:17:17 No.21581638 Report

Quoted By:

>>21575900
This, with the exception of beedrill not probably being BL is the best ranking so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:19:35 No.21581649 Report

Quoted By: >>21581722

>>21581593
140 power uturn
160 power poison jab
80 power fell stinger

only fears proirity and rocks, but resists mach punch hard and can usually survive an unboosted AquaJet/Bullet Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:21:25 No.21581661 Report

Quoted By:

>>21575601
>It can go physical, special, or mixed
Pure special special is underwhelming as fuck though. They really should've gave it Calm Mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:25:19 No.21581687 Report

Quoted By:

>>21575601
>It can go physical, special, or mixed
Pure special is underwhelming as fuck though. 110 special attack with no item or a way to boost is terrible. They really should've gave it Calm Mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:31:01 No.21581722 Report

Quoted By: >>21582098

>>21581649
It'll be good for u-turn momentum pressure but its STAB is still pretty average and none of its said stab moves are that high in power, no way it'll get OU but it definitely too much of a problem for RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 16:33:54 No.21581747 Report

Quoted By: >>21582185

>>21574691
>Mega Audino NU

103/126/126 is really good anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:31:59 No.21582098 Report

Quoted By: >>21582248 >>21582272

>>21581722
In RU it's walled by Alomomola (which can burn it), Amoonguss, Gastrodon, Golbat, Gligar, and Registeel.

Also, Doublade, Escavalier, and Rhyperior can take a hit and OHKO back.

Anything with more than 80 Spe and a Choice Scarf will be faster. This means Braviary, Delphox, Hitmonlee, and Moltres, all of which are top tier in RU already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:39:45 No.21582185 Report

Quoted By: >>21582277

>>21581747
For reference: Hippowdon has 108 HP and 118 Def. This thing is by far the most physically bulky Fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:44:50 No.21582231 Report

Quoted By:

>>21574397
>Beedrill higher than Sceptile
>Beedrill higher than anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:47:21 No.21582248 Report

Quoted By: >>21586298

>>21582098

MegaBee doesn't fear any of them except Scarfers since it can just U-Turn out.

And MegaBee is going be used as a revenge killer, not a sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:49:30 No.21582272 Report

Quoted By: >>21586298

>>21582098
U-turn is its best niche to get out from those situations and go into an appropriate mon to deal with them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:50:02 No.21582277 Report

Quoted By: >>21587958

>>21582185
If M-Audino was an evolution and didn't take up a mega-slot, it would probably be top-tier. 80 special attack wouldn't be so bad if it was able to hold a Life Orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:50:43 No.21582280 Report

Quoted By: >>21582316

>>21581477
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 17:54:42 No.21582316 Report

Quoted By: >>21582387

>>21582280
Speed is important for M-Diancie. Is 110 not a good enough speed tier in your eyes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 18:02:02 No.21582387 Report

Quoted By:

>>21582316
But I don't see how having a beau trap nature with 6 Ivs is better than having a beneficial one with less Ivs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 18:24:30 No.21582564 Report

Quoted By: >>21582717 >>21588045

>>21574369
Just personal opinions

>who the fuck thought this was okay
Salamence

>really really good, high OU
Altaria (S-Rank in my opinion. It can play virtually any role you want it to on any style of team.)

>good, solid OU
Gallade
Slowbro (this thing is really, really overrated. It's good, yes, but the people saying this needs to even be suspected, let alone banned are either high or retarded).
Latias
Metagross (I considered dropping this a rank, it's really in-between)
Sceptile

>low OU, maybe
Swampert (could go BL)
Lopunny
Diancie (could go BL)

>UU
Sharpedo
Sableye
Beedrill (this could go to BL, hazard removal is pretty easy in UU and le ebin u-turn spam is going to near Torn-T levels of cancer)
Pidgeot (honestly might make OU if it gets something resembling an actual movepool in ORAS, will be here otherwise)

>RU
Camerupt
Audino (is actually pretty good but suffers from a bad case of "why would I use my mega slot on this")

>low RU
Steelix
Glalie (seriously this thing still sucks ass)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 18:41:31 No.21582691 Report

Quoted By: >>21582717 >>21582735

>Uber
Salamence
Latios

>High OU
Altaria
Slowbro
Latias

>Mid OU
Gallade
Metagross
Swampert

>Low OU
Beedrill
Lopunny
Diancie

>Mid UU
Sharpedo
Sableye
Pidgeot

>Low UU
Steelix
Sceptile

>NU
Audino
Glalie

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 18:43:46 No.21582717 Report

Quoted By: >>21582854

>>21582564
>>21582691
>altaria high OU
kek, keep dreaming

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 18:45:45 No.21582735 Report

Quoted By:

>>21582691
>Latios in Uber
why

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Nov 2014 18:57:36 No.21582854 Report

Quoted By: >>21586288

>>21582717
>dragon/fairy
>pixelate
Why wouldn't it be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 00:32:28 No.21586288 Report

Quoted By: >>21588014

>>21582854
painfully average stats, making it weaker at all those roles. average DD user, mediocre supporter/special attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 00:33:47 No.21586298 Report

Quoted By:

>>21582248
>>21582272

hope you like sneaky stones, then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 00:33:48 No.21586300 Report

Quoted By: >>21588949

>>21574369
>Mega Metagross
>high OU

O, U. Metagross is trash even with its Mega. The lack of a boosting move is what really kills it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 03:42:26 No.21587923 Report

Quoted By:

Is Primal Kyogre even worth using? I get that you'll need it or M-Rayquaza to keep P-Groudon from dicking you down, but what does it bring to the table by itself that warrants ditching Scarf or whatever?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 03:47:12 No.21587958 Report

Quoted By:

>>21582277
>wall
>Life Orb
Why would you do that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 03:56:44 No.21588014 Report

Quoted By:

>>21586288
>painfully average stats
>when Clefable is high OU
>when it's a Fairy-type that also resists Fire/Water/Electric-type moves
>when its Pixilate Return hits almost 20% harder than Azumarill's Play Rough
If it had gotten Defog in Gen IV, you could even pull off some bullshit shenanigans with Sing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 04:01:18 No.21588045 Report

Quoted By:

>>21582564

This. On paper M-Altaria's stats are meh but with the right EVs it can do almost anything very well. It also beats both Megazards 1v1 which is a very valuable niche.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 04:06:34 No.21588087 Report

Quoted By:

>>21574369
As someone who's been to 1900 in OU and UU, as well as near 1500 in ORAS OU, I wholeheartedly agree with all of these. I'd move Camerupt to Mid UU, but that's just a guess since there's no such thing as ORASUU just yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 04:56:49 No.21588483 Report

Quoted By: >>21588510 >>21588514 >>21588727 >>21588774

Tip-Top Uber
Primal Groudon (save for the ground weakness, it's way better than Groudon in every way, checks Ho-Oh even harder without having to worry about burns, and is all around badass)

Uber
Mega-Salamence (ban this piece of shit)
Primal Kyogre (might not see much use considering how good Scarf Kyogre can be)
Mega-Rayquaza

OU
Mega-Latios (no one will use it though)
Mega-Latias (See above)
Mega-Slowbro (not much better than it's base form)
Mega-Altaria
Mega-Diancie (maybe BL)
Mega-Metagross (maybe BL)

BL
Mega-Gallade
Mega-Lopunny (maybe OU)
Mega-Beedrill (not too strong for UU but kokoloko a shit)

UU
Mega-Sharpedo (eh it's alright)
Mega-Swampert (Kabutops is NU and yet is a go-to rain sweeper in OU. Same shit here.)
Mega-Sceptile (could be lower or higher, I'm not sure)
Mega-Camerupt (maybe RU, I can see all the Water-types in UU giving it a hard time)
Mega-Sableye (Sableye is in UU so there's no way the Mega would be any lower. It might be able to set up easily in UU given that the only fairies are Florges and Sylveon, and the general stallish-ness of the meta)

RU
Mega-Pidgeot (it might see some use in UU as an offensive defogger, but it still gets walled by stuff like Blissey and Empoleon)
Mega-Glalie (hits too hard for NU imo)

NU
Mega-Audino (no one will use it either way)
Mega-Steelix (somewhat outclassed by it's base form, especially if Custap comes out. They should've given it Sheer Force or something instead.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:00:37 No.21588510 Report

Quoted By:

>>21588483
Make MCamerupt RU, MSteelix and MAudino BL3 and I agree with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:00:55 No.21588514 Report

Quoted By:

>>21588483

Having used Mega Diancie a lot, I can confirm that it's only good against people who happen to be completely braindead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:33:40 No.21588727 Report

Quoted By: >>21588812

>>21588483
Why would Mega Steelix benefit from Sheer Force? I mean you get
>stronger Fangs
>stronger Rock Slide
>stronger Iron Tail
...and that's just about it. Earthquake, Gyro Ball, Heavy Slam, and Stone Edge are all unaffected. How is Mega Steelix being outclassed by regular Steelix? Were people running Special sets off of 55 base Special Attack?

Honestly Steelix is one of those things that really doesn't benefit from Sheer Force in any way, alongside Kingler and sorta Hariyama. Now Strong Jaw would've been good for keks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:36:56 No.21588752 Report

Quoted By:

>>21575480
itd switch in and die and doesnt hit hard enough to ohko everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:39:07 No.21588774 Report

Quoted By: >>21588812

>>21588483
Why do people think Swampert will such because of Kabutops?
Do you forget Swampert is bulky and can take hits? I've had it survive 4-5 priority moves with less than 30% hp. Kabutops can't do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:42:49 No.21588812 Report

Quoted By: >>21588818 >>21588889

>>21588727
I dunno, I only mentioned that because that's one of it's default abilities. Strong Jaw fits the design though, i mean look at it's jawline.

>>21588774
That's a pretty wild claim. What were they, Bullet Punches from a Machamp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:43:49 No.21588818 Report

Quoted By: >>21588833

>>21588812
How often do you find Machamps in OU?
It was mostly ice shards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:45:12 No.21588833 Report

Quoted By: >>21588842

>>21588818
I just picked the weakest priority that Swampert resists off the top of my head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:46:15 No.21588842 Report

Quoted By:

>>21588833
It was like 2 ice shard, shadow sneak, quick attack. I think that was it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:53:09 No.21588887 Report

Quoted By: >>21588932

>>21574369
seems ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 05:53:17 No.21588889 Report

Quoted By: >>21588932

>>21588812
Honestly, Sand Force is objectively better than Sheer Force on Steelix. It's a bigger boost to better moves that you aren't ever going to use unless you're fighting a Sand team, while you weren't using Sheer Force period.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 06:00:50 No.21588932 Report

Quoted By:

>>21588887
>>21588889
tfw one off

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 06:03:36 No.21588949 Report

Quoted By:

>>21586300

If only it had Shift Gear.

Hopefully the data for the demo isn't all of the moves found. It was stated that Pokemon found under special conditions (like that new Wild mechanic) would have special moves they couldn't get otherwise.

I want my Shift Gear Megagross nad my Boomburst Porygon and my Blizzard/Inferno Pidgey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 06:12:16 No.21589018 Report

Quoted By:

Latias is completely dumb and honestly too much for OU. CM set is so hard to stop, even harder than Mega Bro (Bro is most definitely not broken, there's just too many good ways to handle it.) It just doesn't die and then it liquifies everything with +6 260 BP stored powers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 06:31:25 No.21589153 Report

Quoted By: >>21589215

>people unironically putting M-Gallade above M-Lopunny

I'm not even going to comment on this one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 06:40:05 No.21589212 Report

Quoted By:

>mfw verlisify will be right
Say what you will want, but you will have to admit, Smogon will be fucking retarded with banning shit and calling it "official". And then they'll declare that overcentralization isn't a bad thing. They'll be fine with a shit metagame because hey, fun will be a buzzword. If you won't believe me, remember to check out this thread.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/suspect-test-mega-slowbro.9000001/
In which Haunter will take scrubs getting beat by a completely counterable strategy as pretext for helping out HO, his favorite playstyle. But Smogonbunny, Smogondueldisc, Smogondiamond and Muhreturnmence won't get banned because using cheap shit will get them free wins and preserve their ladder rank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Nov 2014 06:40:22 No.21589215 Report

Quoted By:

>>21589153
>people tiering a bulky-offensive set-up sweeper with assloads of utility higher than a hyper offensive pivot with assloads of utility
CC > HJK, there's like one Ghost that's relevant in OU right now, Lopunny does not have Knock Off. And they both do very different things, Gallade just seems to fit on more teams than Lopunny does right now.

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