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Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:18:52 No.21641836 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21641918 >>21641985 >>21642045 >>21642460 >>21642586 >>21642688 >>21643031 >>21643506

When will this guy get a mega? He got totally shafted by the introduction of fairy types and didn't get anything new in XY.

what about something like this

Mega Hydreigon

Type: Dragon/Dark

Ability: Sheer force or Adaptability

>HP: 92 -> 92
>Atk: 105 -> 115 (+10)
>Def: 90 -> 110 (+20)
>SpA: 125 -> 155 (+30)
>SpD: 90 -> 110 (+20)
>Spe: 98 ->118 (+20)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:24:33 No.21641918 Report

Quoted By: >>21641955 >>21642005 >>21642303 >>21645466

>>21641836
Nope, instead of that +10 in Attack let's do this:
>HP: 92 -> 92
>Atk: 105 -> 55 (-50)
>Def: 90 -> 110 (+20)
>SpA: 125 -> 185 (+60)
>SpD: 90 -> 110 (+20)
>Spe: 98 ->158 (+60)
Fuck yes, much better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:24:59 No.21641922 Report

Quoted By: >>21641944 >>21642005 >>21642075 >>21643397

>complains about it getting shafted by fairies
>keeps the mega Dragon/Dark
retardalert.gif

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:27:00 No.21641944 Report

Quoted By: >>21641955

>>21641922
Aight, how about this:

>Steel/Poison
>Ability: Special version of Huge Power
>92/15/120/215/120/148

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:27:54 No.21641955 Report

Quoted By: >>21642011

>>21641944
nah, this >>21641918 is much better. Also it could be Steel-type, but I prefer the Dark/Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:30:12 No.21641985 Report

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>>21641836
not anytime soon since it's pretty fucking powerful in VGC right now

if it does get the mega evolution I hope it at least keeps the dark/dragon typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:31:46 No.21642005 Report

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>>21641918

No way GF does that. They almost always give a small boost to a pokemons lower attacking stat. Look at mega gyara, mega metagross, mega garchomp, etc

>>21641922

Sure you could make it steel/dragon. I'm just suggesting something that could realistically happen. And even at that speed with dragon/dark typing it could probably still kill most fairies with sheer force boosted flash cannons.

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:32:17 No.21642011 Report

Quoted By: >>21642127

>>21641955
How is it better?
My version is A LOT stronger, bulkier, and takes down fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:34:53 No.21642045 Report

Quoted By: >>21642068 >>21642176

>>21641836
let it grow some actual legs and stand on the ground, then give it contrary

design and pokemon fixed

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:36:49 No.21642068 Report

Quoted By: >>21642176

>>21642045
>STAB Contrary Draco Meteor

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:37:21 No.21642075 Report

Quoted By: >>21642138

>>21641922

You're a fucking faggot if you think Hydreigons' typing is what is keeping him down. Fairy types are shit pokemon and easy for this guy to deal with them. Whats crippling him is slow speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:41:12 No.21642127 Report

Quoted By: >>21642140 >>21642151 >>21642152 >>21642182

>>21642011

most fairies have a weaker defense stat. so something like this would be better:

Steel/Dragon

Adaptability/ huge power (kek)

HP: 92->92
Atk: 105 -> 195 (+90)
Def: 90 ->120 (+30)
SpA: 25 (-100)
SpD:90->120 (+30)
Spe: 108 ->148 (+50)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:42:11 No.21642138 Report

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>>21642075
Partially bait, partially true.

>Fairy types are shit Pokemon
lel

>and easy for this guy to deal with them
Neither Flash Cannon nor a 4Atk Iron Tail will KO any relevant fairies from a decent amount of HP.

>What's crippling him is his slow speed
98 speed is exactly why Hydreigon is not OU. Being just short of 100 is terrible, and 100 speed isn't even that fast any more because of speed creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:42:17 No.21642140 Report

Quoted By: >>21642164

>>21642127
>minmaxing a pseudo like beedrill

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:43:39 No.21642151 Report

Quoted By: >>21642164

>>21642127

edit: keeping dragon/dark also works.

GF would also never min-max a mega with a 600 BST. It's only guys like beedrill where they have to minmax it to prevent it from being utter shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:43:44 No.21642152 Report

Quoted By: >>21642189

>>21642127
Beedrill pls go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:44:42 No.21642164 Report

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>>21642140

see >>21642151

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:46:09 No.21642176 Report

Quoted By:

>>21642045
>>21642068
It's funny, I had s discussion with my friend last night about how no dragon would ever get contrary so long as Draco Meteor is on its move list.

Imagine, not just STAB Draco Meteor, near-perfect coverage off of it, Flamethrower, and Flash Canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:46:40 No.21642182 Report

Quoted By:

>>21642127
Why not go all the way then

Steel/Dragon
Huge Power
92/205/120/5/120/158

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:47:33 No.21642189 Report

Quoted By: >>21642214

>>21642152

again I was partly joking with that. The spread I posted in the OP seems to be >>21642152
the only mildly realistic one so far considering the spreads GF gives most megas with 500+ BST (which is basically no broken abilities and no min-maxing)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:50:27 No.21642214 Report

Quoted By: >>21642255

>>21642189
>which is basically no broken abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:54:30 No.21642255 Report

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>>21642214

I had huge power and parental bond in mind when i posted that. Take away those abilities from mega mawile and mega mom respectively and they would be complete shit. Mega mence without aerilate (with say moxie instead) would still be pretty good, even it wouldn't be as game breaking as it is now. Mence just has the perfect spread and a great ability. Just look at mega pinsir. He has aerilate and he's not crazy overpowered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:55:32 No.21642275 Report

Quoted By: >>21642305

Does he get Superpower or not in ORAS?

Someone pls just answer this for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:58:30 No.21642303 Report

Quoted By: >>21642362 >>21642367

>>21641918
What if his new Ability is something like Pixilate but with Dark-type moves?
A motherfucking Dark-type Hyper Voice going at the speed of the light to your ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 01:58:43 No.21642305 Report

Quoted By: >>21642345

>>21642275

========
Index: 635 - Hydreigon
========
TM/HM: 05, 06, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 26, 27, 32, 33, 35, 38, 39, 41, 42, 44, 45, 46, 48, 49, 51, 52, 57, 59, 62, 66, 68, 71, 73, 77, 78, 80, 82, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 94, 97, 100, HM02, HM03, HM04, HM06,
Special Tutors: Draco Meteor,
TutorSource1: Signal Beam,Uproar,
TutorSource2: Earth Power,Superpower,Aqua Tail,Dark Pulse,Zen Headbutt,Dragon Pulse,Hyper Voice,Iron Tail,
TutorSource3: Snore,Heat Wave,Tailwind,Air Cutter,Shock Wave,
TutorSource4: Spite,Outrage,Sleep Talk,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:00:56 No.21642345 Report

Quoted By: >>21642362

>>21642305

Thank god, fuck off Chansey

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:02:00 No.21642362 Report

Quoted By:

>>21642303
this

>>21642345
fuck off, singles-player
also
>not having one from 5th gen
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:02:24 No.21642367 Report

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>>21642303

>Hyper voice
>Speed of light

top kek

but in all seriousness what would be awesome would be a dark type pixilate but with gen 1 hyper beam mechanics. It would basically be a 293 BP move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:08:36 No.21642460 Report

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>>21641836
This would be amazing honestly.

A Dark type -ilate ability over Adaptability would be sweet too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:17:36 No.21642586 Report

Quoted By:

>>21641836
Shafted? Are you kidding? This guy is a fucking monster. Levitate is good to have, without it he would find it extremely hard to switch in safely on a lot of the things he deals with so well.

The only serious threats he has to worry about are Gardevoir and Azumarill and lets face it, they threaten nearly everything.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:22:51 No.21642688 Report

Quoted By: >>21642740

>>21641836
Give him his own signature move.

>Wyvern Song
>Raises speed and sp.att by one stage

Basically a Dragon Dance type move it can actually benefit from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:25:43 No.21642740 Report

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>>21642688

That would be nice

for a signature move i was thinking of a dark type fireblast with a 10% chance to flinch.

or just give it nasty plot (which it should already have)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 02:44:49 No.21643031 Report

Quoted By:

>>21641836
What if it became slow and bulky with Regenerator? The idea is that it becomes more like a hydra (heads regenerate). It gets U-turn already so it makes a great bulky attacker.

Mega Hydreigon
Dragon/Dark
Regenerator

HP:
Atk: 105 -> 125 (+20)
Def: 90 -> 120 (+30)
SpA: 125 -> 165 (+40)
SpD: 90 -> 120 (+30)
Spe: 98 -> 88 (-10)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:06:19 No.21643397 Report

Quoted By: >>21643545

>>21641922
Why does every fucking person on 4chan have to act like everythings black and white? It's such a shitty arguing style and only works on people who can't articulate differences clearly.

First off, you want Dark/Dragon, because it's a way better offensive typing. It gets walled by Fairies, but the oft atlernative Steel/Dragon gets walled by Steels. It's better to be walled by Fairies than to be walled by Steels.

Secondly, Fairies are not Hydreigon's only, or even biggest downfall. It's the straw that broke the camel's back. Trollish 98 speed, no useful boosting moves and a so-so ability forced it to run predictable sets, namely choice sets, and Fairies made those sets much less viable. What made those, and wallbreaking sets good before were a combination of Draco spam and it being uncounterable, only check-able. That was it's niche.

Simply giving it more power and putting it in a better speed tiering would be more than enough to put it back into OU. It would solve the inherent issue of it's limited potential, and allow it to more properly use it's insane coverage. Bonus points if you give it Sludge Wave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:09:33 No.21643474 Report

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Why not an ability that is essentially the fairy equivalent of flash fire?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:11:03 No.21643506 Report

Quoted By: >>21643543

>>21641836
>Dark/Dragon mega for Hydra
>not Steel/Dragon

The fuck are you doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:12:29 No.21643543 Report

Quoted By:

>>21643506
Dark/Dragon's better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:12:37 No.21643545 Report

Quoted By: >>21643649 >>21643790

>>21643397

I agree that dark/dragon is a better offensive type than dark/steel and thus hydreigon should keep it if it mega evolves

I think my original mega spread would give him a much needed boost in speed and hitting power:

>HP: 92 -> 92
>Atk: 105 -> 115 (+10)
>Def: 90 -> 110 (+20)
>SpA: 125 -> 155 (+30)
>SpD: 90 -> 110 (+20)
>Spe: 98 ->118 (+20)

He should also get nasty plot and sludge wave as egg moves. As for his ability I can't decide between sheer force and adaptability. Adaptability gives him nuclear powered draco meteors but sheer force boosts all of his good coverage moves like fire blast, flash cannon, focus blast, and earth power as well as boosting dark pulse.

in any case a set with nasty plot, draco meteor, fire blast, and either flash cannon or earth power with either adaptability or sheer force would be pretty unstoppable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:19:04 No.21643649 Report

Quoted By:

>>21643545
Assuming you're OP, I agree. I honestly think your spread's the most ideal one we could get. It seems the most realistic to me, really..

Adaptability would probably be better overall, just given the amount of power it would have against neutral threats (which is where both Dark and Dragon's offensive abilities shine).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:22:16 No.21643704 Report

Quoted By:

Steel/Fairy

Pixelate/Huge Power

-50 atk
+35 def
+35 sp def
+50 sp atk
+30 spe

amirite? xDDDD

you guys are fucking faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:25:41 No.21643750 Report

Quoted By: >>21643760

Hydreigon is actually somewhat decent in ORAS OU now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:26:26 No.21643760 Report

Quoted By: >>21643827

>>21643750
So I heard. Any reason why? I haven't looked into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:28:25 No.21643790 Report

Quoted By: >>21646170

>>21643545

with adaptability

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 336-396 (110.5 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed
OHKO

252+ SpA Mega Hydreigon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 388-460 (110.2 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

after a nasty plot boost

+2 252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 414-488 (57.9 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Hydreigom Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 362-426 (51.4 - 60.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Latias: 472-556 (129.6 - 152.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

In ubers

+2 252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Multiscale Lugia: 298-352 (71.8 - 84.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 556-656 (110.3 - 130.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:31:37 No.21643827 Report

Quoted By: >>21643852

>>21643760
Mega Metagross/Mega Slowbro, mostly.

Most people run scarf so it can sometimes save you from Mence/Greninja too, not always though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 03:33:19 No.21643852 Report

Quoted By:

>>21643827
Oh and Latias.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 06:23:20 No.21645466 Report

Quoted By:

>>21641918

gamefreak does things like +10 attack to dump some points redundantly, so that it doesn't become an obscene minmaxed overpowered piece of shit like what you posted. that's why gardevoir got an attack increase, for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Nov 2014 07:41:18 No.21646170 Report

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>>21643790
I prefer Sheer Force.
>+2 252+ SpA Sheer Force Hydreigon Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 434-512 (67.6 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Since you don't lose the boost as recoil, you actually get that 2HKO after a Nasty Plot.

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