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Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:49:05 No.21730426 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21730440 >>21730444 >>21730466 >>21730469 >>21730478 >>21730520 >>21730551 >>21730652 >>21735195

>Mega Salamence has no checks

>252+ SpA Mega Sceptile Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence: 188-224 (110.5 - 131.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:49:55 No.21730440 Report

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>>21730426
Diancie does a better job it and doesn't die to Hyper Voice/Return/Frustration/Facade

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:50:07 No.21730444 Report

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>>21730426

Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:50:55 No.21730459 Report

Quoted By: >>21730631

>brings up a counter
>calls it a check

stay classy, /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:51:05 No.21730462 Report

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Even with minimal investment, outspeed is bad, mkay?
>0+ SpA Sceptile Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Salamence: 158-188 (92.9 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:51:20 No.21730466 Report

Quoted By: >>21730497

>>21730426

It has checks, anon. Every ice type is a check to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:51:24 No.21730469 Report

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>>21730426
>Mega Salamence has no checks
said no one ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:51:26 No.21730472 Report

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Mega Salamence has plenty of checks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:51:42 No.21730478 Report

Quoted By: >>21730497

>>21730426
>0 HP / 0 SpD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:51:53 No.21730481 Report

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Don't you mean counters? Megamence has a bazillion checks. Even shit like Aurous checks it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:53:12 No.21730497 Report

Quoted By: >>21730543 >>21730569

>>21730466
Ice types don't outspeed it. MSceptile does.
Even if you were to run full SpD Salamence for some reason
>252+ SpA Sceptile Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Salamence: 146-174 (85.8 - 102.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

>>21730478
>implying they wont' run 252 Atk, 4 SpA and 252 Spe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:54:09 No.21730517 Report

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Could have sworn Megamence had several checks already. Maybe I was wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:54:14 No.21730520 Report

Quoted By: >>21730593

>>21730426
Ugly as shit mega, still useful doe. Never saw it coming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:55:24 No.21730543 Report

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>>21730497
>running 252 EV's in any stat
>Ever

How new are you at this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:55:58 No.21730551 Report

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>>21730426
>not running bulky mence
>implying +1 spe/atk mence doesn't shove Sceptile's christmas tree up its own ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:57:00 No.21730569 Report

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>>21730497
>>implying they wont' run 252 Atk, 4 SpA and 252 Spe
Not everyone is a sub 1400 shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:58:13 No.21730592 Report

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>>21730543
90% of the time, the only priority stat you shouldn't run 252 evs in is speed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:58:15 No.21730593 Report

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>>21730520

>ugly

What's a day in the life of someone with shit taste like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 21:00:52 No.21730631 Report

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>>21730459
It isn't a counter because it can't safely switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 21:02:29 No.21730652 Report

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>>21730426
>Talonflame farted in its direction

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 22:27:53 No.21732176 Report

Quoted By: >>21732202 >>21732224

How does Sylveon with Defense EV's fare?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 22:29:23 No.21732202 Report

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>>21732176
Sylveons usually are Bold with around 200 in Def.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 22:30:26 No.21732224 Report

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>>21732176
252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sylveon: 222-262 (56.3 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 207-244 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 22:31:22 No.21732243 Report

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Mega sceptile was almost specifically designed to fuck over a bunch of high level threats. Kind of like mega aero but better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 22:45:19 No.21732493 Report

Quoted By: >>21732654

>>21732224
>Not calcing Adamant on Clefable
252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 228-268 (57.8 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Mences are never Jolly. They have enough speed to actually afford to go Adamant since they run DD. Anyway these fairies appear to be situational checks at best. Sylveon beats SubMence if Mence subs on Sylveon's switch whereas Unaware Clefable with CP walls Mence if it doesn't switch into Return and DDs/Meteors/uses a coverage move not named Iron Tail instead.

How does M-Altaria fare with Mence though? Isn't it the most viable physically defensive fairy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Nov 2014 22:54:45 No.21732654 Report

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>>21732493
There's mega audino
252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Audino: 159-187 (38.7 - 45.6%) -- 15.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Its still kind of a shitmon though.

Altaria doesn't fare so well
252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Altaria: 175-207 (49.4 - 58.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

The best set I've seen to deal with mence is
Zapdos @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 108 Spe
Bold Nature
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Volt Switch / Thunderbolt
- Roost
- Defog / Heat Wave
which i stole from victory road

just for fun

just for fun Mon 17 Nov 2014 01:23:54 No.21735195 Report

Quoted By: >>21736563

>>21730426
>can't switch in at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 02:41:44 No.21736563 Report

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>>21735195
>not opening with this piece of sex

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