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Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 09:26:52 No.21741455 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21741499 >>21741572 >>21741731 >>21742150 >>21745404 >>21745480

Why did gen 2 introduce so many single stage low BST Pokemon? Did GF think it would be fun to use extremely underpowered Pokemon? Why are the majority of gen 2 Pokemon so terrible competitively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 09:27:46 No.21741461 Report

Quoted By: >>21741491

Good thing gen 4 fixed a lot of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 09:32:57 No.21741491 Report

Quoted By: >>21742088

>>21741461
They didn't fix Stantler unfortunately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 09:34:36 No.21741499 Report

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>>21741455
Some of them had had a niche in the GSC OU metagame, like misdreavus for perish trapping EQ-less curselax variants and miltank as physical counterpart to blissey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 09:47:34 No.21741572 Report

Quoted By: >>21741646

>>21741455
It isn't exclusive to single stage Pokemon, unfortunately.
Magcargo is found extremely late in the game, evolves at the relatvely high level of 38 and has a BST lower than Castform.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:00:12 No.21741646 Report

Quoted By: >>21741654 >>21745798 >>21745836

>>21741572
>>21741572
>tons of people didn't even know Skarmory was a gen 2 Pokemon due to being rare as fuck and on a route you can easily skip the grass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:01:19 No.21741654 Report

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>>21741646
and being a version exclusive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:11:16 No.21741731 Report

Quoted By: >>21741780 >>21741790

>>21741455
Back then, trading was the main focus while battling was just a little bonus. So they didn't really give a shit about stats. It's not until DP that they started giving a shit about battling, and that's because gen 4 was the first to have wi-fi battling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:14:48 No.21741752 Report

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Why does any gen add a bunch of shitty Pokemon that are barely usable even in single player? Gen 2 and 4 are really bad in doing that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:19:17 No.21741780 Report

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>>21741731
>battling was just a little bonus

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Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:20:18 No.21741790 Report

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>>21741731
>battling
>just a little bonus

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:52:01 No.21741960 Report

Quoted By: >>21741978

Because they're fillers and not every Pokemon is supposed to be viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:56:15 No.21741978 Report

Quoted By: >>21742040

>>21741960
>majority of the Johto dex barring legends, scizor and tyranitar
>fillers
No GF just didn't know what to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 10:57:48 No.21741987 Report

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So hipsters can have a bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:10:12 No.21742040 Report

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>>21741978
Skarmory is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:19:09 No.21742088 Report

Quoted By: >>21742099

>>21741491
Stantler didn't get bad until gen 4 with the power creep. A lot of shit is sort of usable in gen 2, and in gen 3 it got intimidate, which is a great ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:21:51 No.21742099 Report

Quoted By: >>21742111

>>21742088
Stantler is completely outclassed by Tauros in both gen 2 and 3. All of its relevant stats are higher, it has a much better movepool, and it also has Intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:23:30 No.21742110 Report

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lets migrate to pokebattle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:23:30 No.21742111 Report

Quoted By: >>21742117

>>21742099
Tauros doesn't work as a mixed attacker and doesn't get hypnosis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:24:07 No.21742113 Report

Quoted By: >>21742193

Not a single stage Pokemon, but why is Ledian so shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:25:10 No.21742117 Report

Quoted By: >>21742125

>>21742111
Stantler also doesn't work as a mixed attacker with 85 SpA and only psychic and Hypnosis was only ever good in DP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:27:39 No.21742125 Report

Quoted By: >>21742127 >>21742140

>>21742117
85 SpA is enough to dent Skarmory with Thunderbolt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:28:31 No.21742127 Report

Quoted By: >>21742144

>>21742125
Didn't even learn it in gen 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:30:26 No.21742140 Report

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>>21742125
252 SpA Stantler Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Skarmory: 148-176 (44.3 - 52.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Not that big of a dent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:31:38 No.21742144 Report

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>>21742127
But it didn gen 3. Tauros also doesn't get dual screens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:33:00 No.21742150 Report

Quoted By: >>21742246

>>21741455
>liked Stantler since I first saw it
>was a bro in Colosseum, Intimidating, helping me catch Shadow Pokémon with Hypnosis, wrecking shit with Return and Thunder
>completely fucking useless competitively
No bulk, no speed, no offensive power, no support niche.
And yet it learns a thousand TMs and various moves. Anyone have an idea for how to make it work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:38:15 No.21742193 Report

Quoted By: >>21742244 >>21742246

>>21742113
Okay, I tried to fix it
>55 | 35 | 50 | 55 | 110 | 85
to (with an extra 20 to BST)
>60 | 95 | 60 | 30 | 60 | 105

mega
>60 | 130 | 95 | 20 | 95 | 110

Is it any better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:48:13 No.21742244 Report

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>>21742193
Give it Technician to make it inferior Scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 11:48:51 No.21742246 Report

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>>21742193
actually the normal one would be good enough as long as it's Bug/Fighting instead of Flying

>>21742150
>Anyone have an idea for how to make it work?

Try this
>Body Slam/Return/Giga Impact
>T-wave
>Confuse Ray
>Zen Headbutt/Me first/Wild Charge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 18:50:43 No.21745404 Report

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>>21741455
I suppose Stantler is Girafarig's counterpart.
Kinda a shame it didn't get the same treatment where Girafarig got Nasty Plot and Stantler still can't learn Sword Dance. Or even Nasty Plot like Girafarig itself.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 18:59:37 No.21745480 Report

Quoted By: >>21745605

>>21741455
>gen 2

Not even the worst in this department. Gen 2 is low bst, but Gen 3 is stuffed with unusable single stages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 19:14:30 No.21745605 Report

Quoted By: >>21745627 >>21746623 >>21746888

>>21745480
I'm still kind of pissed that Mawile, Sableye, and Absol got megas instead of a regular evo and THEN an mega. They could've used the mega designs as the second-stage, then mega evolved those pokemon.

Mawile: 310 BST
Mawile regualr evo: 425
Mega: 525

That would've been better than going right to megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 19:16:12 No.21745627 Report

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>>21745605
Whoops, meant

Mawile: 380 BST
Mawile regualr evo: 485
Mega: 585

In that scenario it wouldn't need Huge Power to be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 19:35:07 No.21745798 Report

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>>21741646
I used to think Skarmory was a legendary Pokemon up until I found one in the wild South of Blackthorn.

And I only found it then because I was grinding my Dragonair because I was sure I couldn't beat Clair without one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 19:38:06 No.21745826 Report

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Gen II is unique because half of its Pokémon were originally intended for Gen I. Gen I beta had 190 Pokémon but they cut some out because they wouldn't fit -- those 39 cut out Pokémon were brought back for Gen II, very likely the rejected mons that they didn't have as much faith in for the first games. Hence why Gen II has a disproportionately amount of sucky Pokémon. Didn't help that they also gave them shit stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 19:38:54 No.21745836 Report

Quoted By: >>21746103

>>21741646
also it's only been in like two and a half seconds of any animated media, most of the seconds being in a weird Christmas episode with Santa in it ???????

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 19:57:11 No.21746103 Report

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>>21745836
Remember that one episode with the Jynx who worked as one of Santa's elves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 20:35:31 No.21746623 Report

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>>21745605
Absol didn't really need an evo, though it would've been nice to have one on top of a mega evo. Mawile and Sableye though, fuck yes. They had to give it an incredibly potent ability for it to be great. If it had kept Intimidate or gotten Sheer Force it would've been much worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Nov 2014 20:56:09 No.21746888 Report

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>>21745605
Hell no, Mawile and Sableye's design are top tier.
I'm glad they directly went for a mega and stayed really close to their original design.

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