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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 15:55:44 No.21822255 View View Reply Original Report

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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mega-salamence-considering-a-quick-ban.3522637/

It's happening

So who's ready for "MUH DD+RETURN WIN BUTTON" to leave OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:00:38 No.21822309 Report

Quoted By: >>21822329 >>21822331 >>21822409 >>21822940

>>21822255
>"Smogon! This pokemon killed my team because I couldn't adapt to it!"
>"That can't be! BANNED!"

Smogon in a nutshell. If they're too shit to adapt to something, they ban it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:02:34 No.21822329 Report

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>>21822309
Literally the first post in that thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:02:37 No.21822331 Report

Quoted By: >>21825385

>>21822309
>It doesn't need to be banned, the metagame will just completely centralize around it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:02:45 No.21822332 Report

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Later mence, either almost as broken or as broken as mega mama.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:08:16 No.21822368 Report

Quoted By: >>21822385 >>21822401 >>21822426 >>21822513 >>21822539 >>21823121

smogon needs to man up and stop banning shit we VGC players haveto deal with fucking aegislash mega kangaskhan combos and they're complaining how unbalanced the game is maybe it would be balanced if the shit that checks it isnt already fucking banned!?! seriously smogon is a joke if they think ther're trying to fix the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:08:45 No.21822373 Report

Quoted By: >>21822386

And this is why I play Ubers instead, where EVERYTHING is broken instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:10:03 No.21822385 Report

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>>21822368
vgc player in a nutshell
how pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:10:12 No.21822386 Report

Quoted By: >>21822522 >>21823975

>>21822373
And you're not panicking over Primal Groudon or Life-Orb Mega-Rayquaza?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:12:03 No.21822401 Report

Quoted By: >>21822967 >>21824812

>>21822368
Butthurt vgc player detected.

not playing with smogon rules = pleb. You must be the guy who put 4 fire type move on charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:13:15 No.21822409 Report

Quoted By: >>21823087 >>21823396

>>21822309
If you're too shit to play, don't come over to our community.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:14:21 No.21822418 Report

Quoted By: >>21822428 >>21822435

>>21822255
>has a way to heal statuses

what the fuck is that first poster talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:14:36 No.21822421 Report

Quoted By: >>21822791

They should unban Mega Kangaskhan and Aegislash to see how they cope with it.
Why is Speed Boost Blaziken still banned with Flying having become a more common attacking type and priority being everywhere?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:14:59 No.21822426 Report

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>>21822368
Singles and Doubles are inherently different metagames.

Doubles is master race but that doesn't make what Smogon is trying to do any less admirable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:15:02 No.21822428 Report

Quoted By: >>21822441

>>21822418
refresh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:15:19 No.21822435 Report

Quoted By: >>21822441

>>21822418
it gets refresh as a purification move in gale of darkness

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:16:04 No.21822441 Report

Quoted By: >>21822501

>>21822428
>>21822435
what the actual fuck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:19:50 No.21822473 Report

Quoted By: >>21822486 >>21822503

>Mega Mence isn't banned
WOW LE DRAGON OF BALANCE. SMOGON HAS A BONER FOR ITS FAVORITE DRAGON SINCE GEN 3 AND WON'T CONSIDER BANNING THINGS ACTUALLY TOXIC TO THE META
>Mega Mence is being considered for a ban
WOW SMOGONFAGS NEED TO GIT GUD. LEARN TO ADAPT/USE ASS VEST RHYPERIOR

Never change /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:21:11 No.21822486 Report

Quoted By: >>21822511 >>21822526

>>21822473
>Le
Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:22:05 No.21822496 Report

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>>21822255
>considering a quick ban
>CONSIDERING
that broken piece of shit should've been banned the first second it set foot in ORASOU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:22:32 No.21822501 Report

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>>21822441
it also gets wish as a nypc event move

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:22:35 No.21822503 Report

Quoted By: >>21822540

>>21822473
>/vp/ is one person

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:23:42 No.21822511 Report

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>>21822486
Le ebin troll faic. :D
Are you le mad, le?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:23:46 No.21822513 Report

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>>21822368
>VGCers who still don't understand the difference between singles and doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:24:42 No.21822522 Report

Quoted By: >>21822528 >>21822536 >>21822630

>>21822386
>Mega
>Life Orb

Please stop making shit up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:25:00 No.21822526 Report

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>>21822486
>what is showderp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:25:09 No.21822528 Report

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>>21822522
lurk more

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:25:50 No.21822536 Report

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>>21822522
rayray can hold items nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:25:52 No.21822537 Report

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HYDRO PUMP
DRAGON DANCE
WISH
REFRESH
ROOST
WHY DOES THIS POKEMON GET EVERY MOVE
WHAT THE FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:26:05 No.21822539 Report

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>>21822368
How does it feel to be inferior, vgc faggot?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:26:17 No.21822540 Report

Quoted By: >>21824371

>>21822503
We are one
Join us anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:27:50 No.21822554 Report

Quoted By: >>21823757

I'm not touching the OU Ladder until that thing permanently gone along with the mega lati twins are gone.

The current OU meta is 5 mons plus a Mamoswine to keep yourself from getting swept . Ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:34:02 No.21822609 Report

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>>21822255
>over 1,000 people viewing that thread
christ, Smogon suspect announcements really get around quickly

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:34:32 No.21822618 Report

Quoted By: >>21822640 >>21822664 >>21822732 >>21823068

>lol smogon banning stuff it can't kill
>vgc players can deal with broken shit so why can't you smogon is garbage lol
>not understanding vgc and singles are entirely different formats where certain Pokemon perform better in one or the other
>mence beats 99% of the tier 1v1, still not understand that singles is a series of 1v1 matchups
>still says mence isn't broken

mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:35:43 No.21822630 Report

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>>21822522
Poor thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:36:51 No.21822640 Report

Quoted By: >>21822757

>>21822618
Oh, also I'd like to point out that I got 1700 on the ladders. Keep crying, casualfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:39:11 No.21822664 Report

Quoted By: >>21822693

>>21822618
99% of the tier?
Whats the 1%? Specialized slowbro sets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:41:38 No.21822693 Report

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>>21822664
Mamoswine
Only for some sets though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:44:53 No.21822732 Report

Quoted By: >>21822819

>>21822618
>singles is a series of 1v1 matchups
mence is broken, but this statement couldn't be more wrong. team synergy is far more important than having 6 powerful pokemon you dipshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:46:12 No.21822757 Report

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>>21822640

besides the fact that you're trying to pull rank by posting unimpressive ladder rankings, my point still stands. Mence is broken and entirely unhealthy for the tier and you know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:48:56 No.21822791 Report

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>>21822421
>Why is Speed Boost Blaziken still banned with Flying having become a more common attacking type and priority being everywhere?

>set up rocks
>bring in Blaziken
>force in Talonflame/pinsir
>laugh as they are fored to use BB/QA on your Ferrothorn switch or risk being KO'd by Stone Edge

With Blaziken you don't even need to predict. Just play safe and it's checks will kill themselves off

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:49:44 No.21822802 Report

Quoted By: >>21822891 >>21822897

>>21822255
> Mega Salemence's presence detrimental to the correct development of the ORAS metagame
>detrimental to the correct development of the ORAS metagame
>correct development of the ORAS metagame
>correct development

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:51:26 No.21822819 Report

Quoted By: >>21822869

>>21822732
So you are saying that you can have 2v1 in a singles game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:55:33 No.21822869 Report

Quoted By: >>21822921 >>21822930

>>21822819
Not him but if you are able to switch then it isn't a 1v1 matchup. Especially if you can pull doubles or phaze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:57:01 No.21822891 Report

Quoted By: >>21824864

>>21822802
What's wrong with that statement?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:57:48 No.21822895 Report

Quoted By: >>21822932 >>21822950 >>21823106 >>21824890

Actually I find this kinda hilarious. They are talking about how OU has no real good counters to it and my first thought of a good counter is M-Mawile but then I remember they banned M-Mawile to Ubers because all the whiners in the suspect thread didn't want to start having pokemon from lower tier than OU (Chandelure/Arcanine for example) or run moves that shut it down while going around Sucker Punch on non-standard pokés because "muh centralization" (Will-o-Wisp btw).

You reap what you sow, smogon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:58:02 No.21822897 Report

Quoted By: >>21823155

>>21822802
So your idea of good metagame is "run banded mamoswine or lose"?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 16:58:12 No.21822900 Report

Quoted By: >>21822982 >>21823135 >>21824425 >>21824494

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:00:07 No.21822921 Report

Quoted By: >>21822949

>>21822869
1v1 means 1 pokemon versus 1 pokemon
No matter what there will always be 1 pokemon versus 1 pokemon in singles. Switching and phasing doesn't change that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:01:31 No.21822930 Report

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>>21822869

Thing is, that's still 1v1. When you're doubling, you're actively trying to obtain a favorable 1v1 matchup and grab momentum, which is a huge factor in singles games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:01:32 No.21822932 Report

Quoted By: >>21822980 >>21823846

>>21822895
Hydro Pump
Fire Blast
Refresh

Wow, amazing salamence counters

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:02:05 No.21822940 Report

Quoted By: >>21822988

>>21822309
Yeah, this thing is balanced. Don't ban it, I look forward to a meta that revolves around it and attempting to check it. Which you can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:03:08 No.21822949 Report

Quoted By: >>21823068

>>21822921
Yes it does because they are different pokemon. The format is called 6v6 singles. You should actually play the 1v1 format and see for yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:03:54 No.21822950 Report

Quoted By: >>21822980

>>21822895
The problem with relying on counters that do nothing but counter one specific pokemon is that they're dead weight on your team if you vs. a team that doesn't have them.

This isn't even the case, there's a handful of good checks like Rhyperior and Slowbro that are generally useful, but Salamence shreds each and every team that doesn't have these which is the entire problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:05:52 No.21822967 Report

Quoted By: >>21823098

>>21822401
Playing Smogon Rules = Not playing Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:06:52 No.21822980 Report

Quoted By: >>21823006 >>21823011 >>21823017 >>21823018 >>21823031 >>21823177

>>21822950
M-Mawile doesn't counter only one pokemon. And neither does Chandelure/Arcanine in setups that would counter something like M-Mawile.
>>21822932
Don't go into a "muh moveset" bullshit when you know most of the smogon-fags don't run ANY of those moves on MegaMence.
Would they start if M-Mawile was around? Maybe but it would only be useful for one counter which in turn would make others viable as it would lack moves against others.

Voila, suddenly centralization vanished.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:06:59 No.21822982 Report

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>>21822900
That's a new one. Saved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:07:40 No.21822988 Report

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>>21822940
why are you talking about gen V meta, anon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:09:12 No.21823000 Report

Quoted By: >>21823057

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:10:02 No.21823006 Report

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>>21822980
>And neither does Chandelure/Arcanine in setups that would counter something like M-Mawile.
Point is that Mega Mawile could only be countered by very niche and terrible pokemon. It's like "gee, Zekrom should be unbanned because you can use Steelix."

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:10:22 No.21823011 Report

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>>21822980
> don't run ANY of those moves on MegaMence.
Haha what, don't talk about things you have no fucking clue about.

If it cannot handle every possible legal moveset of a pokemon, then it isn't a counter.
It doesn't matter if there's different pokemon that can deal with different salamence sets because you'll never know which set it's running before a game.
So either you have 3 pokemon dedicated to salamence control, or you lose.
Wow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:11:05 No.21823017 Report

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>>21822980
>most of the smogon-fags don't run ANY of those moves on MegaMence.
Haha fucking what

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:11:08 No.21823018 Report

Quoted By: >>21823327

>>21822980
>m-mence doesn't run eq or fireblast

also

>centralization vanished
>suggests unbanning m-mawile

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:12:32 No.21823031 Report

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>>21822980
>Don't go into a "muh moveset" bullshit when you know most of the smogon-fags don't run ANY of those moves on MegaMence.
People do anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:12:46 No.21823034 Report

Quoted By: >>21823047 >>21823076

CB Mega Rayquaza walks up to you and slaps your Mega Salamence's ass.

What do you do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:13:42 No.21823047 Report

Quoted By: >>21823061 >>21823077

>>21823034
>sunkern used ice shard!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:14:37 No.21823057 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823000
>B-but smogonshitters banned everything, muh vgc meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:14:44 No.21823061 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823047
not funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:15:43 No.21823068 Report

Quoted By: >>21823117

>>21822949
Okay since you are a dense child let me spoon feed you
>Mence vs Breloom
>opponent switches to Skarmory
>Mence vs Skarmory
>player switch to Zone and opponent doubles to Dugtrio
>Magnezone vs Dugtrio

Notice how it was never Mence vs Skarm and Loom or Magenezone vs Dugtrio and Skarm. There is always only 2 pokemon on the field at once

As >>21822618 said
>series of 1v1 matchups

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:16:12 No.21823076 Report

Quoted By: >>21823098 >>21823233

>>21823034
>mega rayquaza
>choice band

Genow (Theo) - 4554-0015-6036 [Fire - Pansear, Charmeleon, Braixen]

Genow (Theo) - 4554-0015-6036 [Fire - Pansear, Charmeleon, Braixen] Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:16:25 No.21823077 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823047
M-Rayquaza isn't x4 weak to ice due to delta stream

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:16:59 No.21823087 Report

Quoted By: >>21823098 >>21823252

>>21822409
>Our community
*tips fedora*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:17:55 No.21823097 Report

Quoted By: >>21823145

Mence is borked. The only reason you would want it to to stay in OU is if you either are too dumb to realize it would make the meta incredibly shitty, or if you're okay with that because WELL IF GAMEFREAK MADE IT THEN IT'S BALANCED.

It's even better than Mega Mom. And it will probably be better in doubles than mega mom because it has a STAB spread move. What the fuck was Gamefreak thinking with this thing, didn't they acknowledge the fact that a lot of players disliked how good mega mom was?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:18:03 No.21823098 Report

Quoted By: >>21823270

>>21822967
Look a that, playing broken game is fun. ISN'T IT FUN?

>>21823076
So, how does it feel to embarrass yourself in public?

>>21823087
Shut it you neckbeard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:18:47 No.21823106 Report

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>>21822895
>Mawile counters MegaMence
I guarantee 7 out of 10 MegaMence's carry EQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:19:20 No.21823117 Report

Quoted By: >>21823169

>>21823068
>ad homineum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:19:23 No.21823121 Report

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>>21822368
Ban happy VGC babies pls go. I will be playing my superior, fewer bans, smogon doubles metagame.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:21:00 No.21823135 Report

Quoted By: >>21823228

>>21822900
Didn't take long

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:21:18 No.21823145 Report

Quoted By: >>21824372

>>21823097
>gamefreak
>thinking stuff through

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:21:51 No.21823155 Report

Quoted By: >>21823179

>>21822897
I'm saying they have an agenda. A plan to keep them and their ilk at the top using stratagies only they approve of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:22:50 No.21823169 Report

Quoted By: >>21823888

>>21823117
>He stated his point using facts and explained it
>let me just say he's using a fallacy

I can do that too
Faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:23:38 No.21823177 Report

Quoted By: >>21823327

>>21822980
>most of the smogon-fags don't run ANY of those moves on MegaMence.

Yeah, why would anyone want salamence to be able to get around heatran or skarmory.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:23:54 No.21823179 Report

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>>21823155
>agenda

This is probably weak bait but with vgcbabbies you never know.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:26:58 No.21823228 Report

Quoted By: >>21824931

>>21823135
you missed a few.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:27:23 No.21823233 Report

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>>21823076
Either a 4/10 bait your you're stupid and uninformed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:28:25 No.21823248 Report

Quoted By: >>21823266 >>21823288

>>21822255
Can't you just use scarfed Garchomp or mega Gengar to take him down? Pretty sure a multiscale Dragonite can survive a hit from him too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:28:46 No.21823252 Report

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>>21823087
What's so fedora about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:29:31 No.21823261 Report

Quoted By: >>21823325 >>21823442

>>21822255
>mamoswine used ice shard
>it's super effective
>salamence fainted

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:29:48 No.21823266 Report

Quoted By: >>21823282

>>21823248
Garchomp is outsped at +1
Mega Gengar is banned from OU
The calc is dead right now but Mence shits over Dnite

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:30:04 No.21823270 Report

Quoted By: >>21823320

>>21823098
Why are you on a Pokemon board when you don't play Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:30:42 No.21823282 Report

Quoted By: >>21823307

>>21823266
Ahh I see. Welp that's kinda OP I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:31:08 No.21823288 Report

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>>21823248
If it got a chance to set-up Dragon Dance or even sub (which is laughably easy considering its resistances, bulk and intimidate) then you're not getting that chance.

Also Sneaky pebbles for the dragonite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:32:23 No.21823307 Report

Quoted By: >>21823322

>>21823282
>kinda OP
nigger, it's the most broken thing since Mega Mom, it's not "kinda" OP at all, it's fucking ridiculously broken

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:33:08 No.21823320 Report

Quoted By: >>21823394 >>21823463

>>21823270
> Playing pokemon simulator
> not playing pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:33:26 No.21823322 Report

Quoted By: >>21823335 >>21823677

>>21823307
Isn't deergod worse than megakang?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:33:43 No.21823325 Report

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>>21823261
ebin bro you found the answer :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:33:59 No.21823327 Report

Quoted By: >>21823345 >>21823369 >>21823370 >>21823405

>>21823177
>>21823018
Was under the impression that majority of the M-Mence ran DD/Return/Roost/Insert Flavor (usually Sub going by comments).
But fair enough, M-Mence can counter most of its counters but I would still say they are reaping what they sowed. I'll probably face a fuckload of M-Mence in the coming weeks (not out here until next week) and I'll learn to love to hate it, or hope majority are retards like all the idiots with M-Mewtwo in early weeks of X/Y.

That said, I'm sure shit they've put in Uber could easily be lowered down to OU again now that they've gotten a counter and can be used as counters. Eventually the meta will stabilize and not every team is M-Mence or bust, or M-Gengar or bust, or Aegislash or bust etc etc.

But it's not going to happen. I've said this once before but when it comes to OU banning and from how it looks when reading the comments in their forums, considering pokés from other tiers is somehow BAD even though they claim they want variety and options available. If you just look in OU for counters and you've already demoted a fuckload or banned another bunch then you will constantly end up with shit like M-Mence taking it up the ass because all the stuff that can potentially shut it down is either banned or not considered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:34:45 No.21823335 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823322
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:35:32 No.21823345 Report

Quoted By: >>21823384

>>21823327
Mega Mence is going to be pretty good in Ubers aswell though with really close competition from Mega Rayquaza, Mence is bulkier and I'm pretty sure Aerilate Return hits harder than Dragon Ascent

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:36:54 No.21823369 Report

Quoted By: >>21823511

>>21823327
List all the sets you think "counter" megamence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:36:54 No.21823370 Report

Quoted By: >>21823385 >>21823511

>>21823327
Yes maybe then we could unban all the OU shit from UU, all the UU shit from RU, all the RU shit from PU and make a new tier below that for all the shit that used to be PU. Then we could rename OU to ubers, UU to OU and so on. Brilliant idea!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:37:55 No.21823384 Report

Quoted By: >>21823943

>>21823345
I think Dragon Ascent hits considerably harder considering 180 Atk >145 and a hold item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:37:56 No.21823385 Report

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>>21823370
oh right I forgot about NU, oops

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:38:39 No.21823394 Report

Quoted By: >>21823601

>>21823320
Smogon != Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:38:47 No.21823396 Report

Quoted By: >>21823420

>>21822409
This post is so pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:39:39 No.21823405 Report

Quoted By: >>21823426 >>21823511

>>21823327
>considering pokés from other tiers is somehow BAD even though they claim they want variety and options available
No, considering pokes that are awful is bad. I've literally never seen someone say something along the lines of "well Medicham's best check is really only Slowbro (before Slowbro was OU) so Medicham doesn't have any good checks." This is not the case with something like Arcanine and Mawile, because Arcanine is shit and makes your team worse against any team that doesn't have Mawile.

>If you just look in OU for counters and you've already demoted a fuckload or banned another bunch then you will constantly end up with shit like M-Mence taking it up the ass because all the stuff that can potentially shut it down is either banned or not considered.
What the fucked is there that's banned/lower tier that can actually handle it reliably? The only thing I can think of it Rhyperior and people already acknowledge that Rhyperior is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:40:33 No.21823420 Report

Quoted By: >>21823476

>>21823396
Your mom is so pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:41:01 No.21823426 Report

Quoted By: >>21823435 >>21823482

>>21823405
Rhyperior gets it's shit pushed in by any set running hydro pump, which does see some use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:41:55 No.21823435 Report

Quoted By: >>21823553

>>21823426
Hydro Pump is easily the rarest of its coverage moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:43:04 No.21823442 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823261
the bingo isn't as fun when you make the retarded posts on purpose

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:44:12 No.21823463 Report

Quoted By: >>21823521

>>21823320
>bike simulator 2015
>pokemon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:45:01 No.21823476 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823420
sick burn!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:45:32 No.21823482 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823426
You don't even need to waste a slot on hydro pump, rhyperior gets rekt by any grass/ice/water special move and literally 3/4 of the metagame has one of those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:46:58 No.21823494 Report

Quoted By: >>21823525 >>21823530 >>21823543

Ask /vp/ for a Counter and the most they will do is give Checks that don't work on 99.8% of the metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:48:02 No.21823511 Report

Quoted By: >>21823521 >>21823522 >>21823574 >>21823722 >>21823871

>>21823370
Missed the point.
>>21823369
I would have to be more involved and care to do that. Aerodactyl could possibly pull it off but just like with Rhyperior mentioned, Hydro Pump would wreck its day.
>>21823405
You say that as if pokés in UU are never used in OU even though it's been shown every now and then that someone does because it fits their team and it doesn't hold them back (like Ninetales before it got legit Drought and became permanent OU).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:48:56 No.21823521 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823463
That's not even remotely close.

>>21823511
Not if Aero move first

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:48:56 No.21823522 Report

Quoted By: >>21823574

>>21823511
>You say that as if pokés in UU are never used in OU
I literally just said that Rhyperior (an RU pokemon) is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:49:09 No.21823525 Report

Quoted By: >>21823533

>>21823494
it's almost like /vp/ is nothing but stupid manchildren who don't actually play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:49:23 No.21823530 Report

Quoted By: >>21823550

>>21823494
>Not using a strong, bulky Rock pokemon in Talonflame the meta
>Not using Rotom-W if you are too much of a pussy to use said rock pokemon
>Not crippling the retarded dragon by either burning or paralyzing it
>Not using Pachirisu and para confusing him to death while Super Fanging

Do you even pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:50:03 No.21823533 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823525
Smogon in a nutshell

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:50:42 No.21823543 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823494
Unlike our community, /vp/s are a bunch of whiny kids trying to copy smogon, but soon got bored since they can't keep up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:51:23 No.21823550 Report

Quoted By: >>21823562

>>21823530
No one uses strong pokes in the Meta.

The most you will get is TTar,Terrakon and Diancie and their Rock type only hinders them at most.

Besides, Steel and Electric also take Bravest Birds gracefully.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:51:43 No.21823553 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823435
Still a good surprise behind all that fire blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:52:24 No.21823562 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823550
>No one uses strong pokes in the Meta.

No one uses Rock Pokes in the meta*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:53:24 No.21823574 Report

Quoted By: >>21824145

>>21823511
UU pokemons ARE used in OU like >>21823522 said, the point is that if that pokemon is ONLY good in that specific situation (like scarf golduck vs primal groudon) then it's deadweight against any other composition and therefor an unusable shitmon.

>doesn't list ANY counters

bullshit alert

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:54:42 No.21823588 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone who thinks M-Salamence belongs on OU is either a retard or hasn't seen it in battle. This thing can easily turn battles around, can set-up and sweep with one free turn, which 130 base Defense plus Intimidate are more than enough to produce. Not only it can not be safely Status'd because Facade variants exist, but it also has access to Refresh, Roost and Substitute, which just boils down to even more free turns. Many things that could come into a Return gets rekt by the special move of choice, Hydro Pump, Fire Blast, Draco Meteor or even Hyper Voice.

M-Salamence is completely broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 17:55:17 No.21823601 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823394
Isnt it
smogon => Pokemon
Pokemon =/= Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:01:29 No.21823677 Report

Quoted By: >>21823714 >>21823722 >>21823951

>>21823322
People are using massive hyperbole here, Xerneas is far better then mega-Mom.

However, M-Salamence is actually doing quite well in Ubers (this was before people knew you could as an item on M-Ray though.)

The biggest issue with Salamence is it's defense, 130 with that speed is pretty absurd, Ferrothorn has 131 for reference.

Scarfchomp loses because it fails to ohko with Outrage assuming no rocks, and that's without defense investment, the best Salamence set runs 248 HP, it's really tough to break down and it sweeps super easily.

You CAN 'handle' it by stacking multiple answers to it but people tend to forget that Mence has teammates too, he's incredibly easy to build around.

Just my two cents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:03:08 No.21823700 Report

Quoted By: >>21823722

/vp/ literally has no idea how pokemon works. I still remember that guy saying that furfrou counters Megamom from when XY came out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:04:34 No.21823714 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823677
I guess he was just talking about that Mega Kang is one of the most broken thing in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:05:13 No.21823722 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823677
Xerneas is also a box legendary so you don't have to deal with him on battlespot.

>>21823700
that guy was probably >>21823511

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:07:33 No.21823757 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822554
Mega Latios is fine.
However, Latias may prove to be annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:12:02 No.21823846 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822932
Don't forget Hyper Voice and Draco Meteor.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:13:33 No.21823871 Report

Quoted By: >>21823951

>>21823511
Well? Aren't you going to reply? Not involved enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:14:53 No.21823888 Report

Quoted By: >>21824360

>>21823169
I've explained there's a difference to 6v6 singles and 1v1 matchmaking. Stay delusional nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:17:53 No.21823943 Report

Quoted By: >>21823958 >>21823995

>>21823384
Attack BP pretty muchs always matters more than base state.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:18:26 No.21823951 Report

Quoted By: >>21824145

>>21823677
Purely from a Garchomp vs. M-Salamence perspective, wouldn't Choice Band be a better option anyway? Intimidate is the biggest obstacle for chomp but on first turn it outspeed Salamence even without Choice Scarf.

>>21823871
Reply to what? If you are wondering if I'm stupid enough to say Furfrou counters Megamom, then no. The only "counters" I've more or less only brought up on /vp/ have been Chandelure and Arcanine against M-Mawile a few months ago.

I honestly don't keep too much track on every 'mon in smogon OU and Uber meta so I should just refrain from commenting in general I guess when it comes to smogon shit.
Not like I care about their rules in the end anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:19:02 No.21823958 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823943
Rayquaza can hold items which makes it much more potent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:20:32 No.21823975 Report

Quoted By: >>21824044

>>21822386
>primal groudon
>kyogre used water gun

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:22:48 No.21823995 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823943
The you're comparing ~134 with 120 which isn't a big enough difference to overcome the base stats and item usage.
Rayquaza has access to Espeed, V-create and SD. I expect that MMence will be seldom seen since it's heavily outclassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:25:37 No.21824044 Report

Quoted By: >>21824060

>>21823975
>water working against primal groudon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:26:45 No.21824060 Report

Quoted By: >>21824083 >>21824408

>>21824044
>what is primal reversing kyogre right after groudon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:27:21 No.21824068 Report

Quoted By: >>21824148 >>21824180

what you faggots fail to realize is this

sure mega mence has an incredible movepool, but you can only run FOUR moves. you faggots keep saying

>yeah you can do that but mence has wish, refresh, sub, hydro pump, fire blast, return etc etc he has no counters just look at all the moves he can do!!

fuck off. seriously git gud, and remember that mence only has 4 options just like every other mon. he doesn't have an answer to every threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:27:41 No.21824075 Report

Quoted By: >>21824316

>M-Salamence
>P-Groudon
>P-Kyogre
>M-Rayquaza
>Filler
>Filler

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:28:31 No.21824083 Report

Quoted By: >>21824408

>>21824060
>implying you will do that
>Implying I won't protect to see who goes last

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:33:06 No.21824145 Report

Quoted By: >>21824245

>>21823951
>252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 152-179 (46.9 - 55.2%)

nice counter, for arcanine refer to >>21823574

>I don't care about your shitty metagame anyway, git gud :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:33:18 No.21824148 Report

Quoted By:

>>21824068
How effective is your counter if it can't handle a M-Salamence that runs a different coverage move? Considering the worst plausible scenario in regards to moves, hazards, EVs, etc. is important in competitive play because you don't want to lose to every Mence player who does something differently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:35:15 No.21824180 Report

Quoted By:

>>21824068
What you're failing to realize is due to its huge move pool and amazing stats its almost impossible to prepare for.

Stock up on sub dd counters? Enjoy getting shit canned by mixed mence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:39:45 No.21824245 Report

Quoted By: >>21824384 >>21824415

>>21824145
Main point for something like Chandelure/Arcanine would be to pull off Will-o-Wisp which barring incredibly low odds RNG crit would be very possible.
But that was months ago anyway not sure why you bothered doing the calc for that instead of the question I posed instead which is simply for Garchomp and M-Salamence. Regardless of what smogon says or thinks about it.
>>I don't care about your shitty metagame anyway, git gud :^)
I never said that, but if you are actually playing X/Y/ORAS you would be full fucking retard to expect literally anyone to play by smogon ruleset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:45:58 No.21824316 Report

Quoted By: >>21824435

>>21824075
>M-Salamence
>P-Groudon
>P-Kyogre
>M-Rayquaza
>X-mon
>Arceus or Palkia

there, nailed it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:49:18 No.21824349 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822255
>Swinub used ice shard! :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:50:10 No.21824360 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823888
>explained
You didn't explain shit. You just said 6v6 isn't 1v1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:51:29 No.21824371 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822540
there once was a containment board that was so ugly that everyone died, the end

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:51:32 No.21824372 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823145
Honestly, how the fuck is Gamefreak this retarded with balancing? You don't have to be in 1750 ELO to realize that Mega Salamence is broken as all hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:52:50 No.21824384 Report

Quoted By: >>21824415

>>21824245
CB jolly garchomp is outsped by naive m-mence with only 112 evs in speed and scarf is outsped by any variant at +1, which is extremely easy to get. It's a shacky check at best.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:55:07 No.21824408 Report

Quoted By:

>>21824060
>>21824083
>implying primal reversion is the same as mega evolution
>implying that reversion doesn't occur as soon as either mon is switched in
>implying you're not both fucking idiots

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:55:43 No.21824415 Report

Quoted By: >>21824437 >>21824495

>>21824384
>>21824245

He meant a turn 1 matchup, before mence mega-evolves.
This way, Jolly CB Chomp outspeeds by 1 point in that turn to fire a ludicrous Outrage.
Except it doesn't even KO because of Intimidate (pic related)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:56:15 No.21824425 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822900
This is good, but the top left corner should be replaced because stall is dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:57:00 No.21824435 Report

Quoted By: >>21824456

>>21824316
m-rayquaza doesn't take a mega slot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:57:05 No.21824437 Report

Quoted By: >>21824495

>>21824415
So a completely unreasonable situation that will basically never happen? Great counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 18:58:18 No.21824456 Report

Quoted By:

>>21824435
You have a point. M-Ray doesn't need a megastone to evolve, but it doesn't mean we cam nega-evolve another poke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:00:53 No.21824494 Report

Quoted By: >>21824526

>>21822900
Here, I'll give you guys a free one.
>Vanillite used Ice Shard!
>Mega Salamence fainted!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:00:56 No.21824495 Report

Quoted By: >>21824567

>>21824415
Thanks, just all I wanted to see.
>>21824437
Never said it was going to be a counter without knowing if it could OHKO through Intimidate or not. Maybe you should read the question before going "nice counter :^)". Faget.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:02:37 No.21824526 Report

Quoted By:

>>21824494
Mega Salamence has 130 base defense. Not even Adamant Life Orb Mamoswine can OHKO Mega Salamence with Ice Shard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:05:11 No.21824567 Report

Quoted By: >>21824593

>>21824495
You kept going on all the thread spewing bullshit about how m-mence and m-mawile are perfectly counterable and then every single counter or check you post gets systematically proven wrong, fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:07:10 No.21824593 Report

Quoted By:

>>21824567
>All the thread
>Made one post regarding M-Mawile and only responded to two posts about it after regarding Chandelure in particular
How about you stop being retarded and think everything revolves around your own little world? So you fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:22:55 No.21824812 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822401
How else do you run charizard?
>WOW for burn
>Flamethrower for accuracy
>Fire blast for damage
>Blast burn for emergency OHKO's

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:26:46 No.21824864 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822891
it implies there is a certain development
to the ORAS metagame that smogon is
aiming to have

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:28:53 No.21824890 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822895
you mean the mega mawile that gets trashed by fire blast/eq, and cant do shit with sucker punch cuz muh 130 base def?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 19:32:34 No.21824931 Report

Quoted By:

>>21823228
you dont keep playing bingo after you win stupidass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 20:09:09 No.21825385 Report

Quoted By: >>21825433

>>21822331
But if you unbanned things like Aegislash, Blaziken & Kangaskhan, it would be easier to counter Salamence, and Salamence could counter them back.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 20:12:28 No.21825433 Report

Quoted By:

>>21825385

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 20:13:05 No.21825441 Report

Quoted By: >>21825470

How is Smogon reacting to Mega Rayquaza so far?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 20:14:40 No.21825470 Report

Quoted By:

>>21825441
I dunno, go look at the ubers forum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 20:48:36 No.21825867 Report

Quoted By: >>21826454

>implying 90% of salamence sets aren't dragon dance, roost, substitute, return
>Implying you've ever seen a megamence run refresh or hydro pump
>implying you can carry more than 4 moves
>implying I don't hate you faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 21:32:28 No.21826454 Report

Quoted By: >>21827037 >>21827087

>>21825867
how's elo hell this time of year, champ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 22:08:05 No.21827037 Report

Quoted By:

>>21826454
Pretty sunny

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 22:11:53 No.21827087 Report

Quoted By:

>>21826454
>Implying OU is not made of sub 1600 shitters right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Nov 2014 23:08:05 No.21827780 Report

Quoted By:

>>21822255
Smogon confirmed for noobs, any strong ice move counters it

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