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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 22:12:26 No.21924635 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21924680 >>21924761

What is the objectively correct order to play through these?

Also, PMD thread, I guess.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 22:15:13 No.21924671 Report

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Blue Rescue Team -> Explorers of Sky

GTI doesn't exist.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 22:15:47 No.21924680 Report

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>>21924635
You posted the correct order, OP. Or you could just skip gates to infinity altogether.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 22:18:26 No.21924706 Report

Quoted By: >>21925765

I should replay these in prep for EOMD

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 22:20:04 No.21924724 Report

Quoted By: >>21925328 >>21925396 >>21925524

Are we going get another one after GTI?

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 22:22:18 No.21924761 Report

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>>21924635
>Not playing red rescue team first stay pleb

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:04:07 No.21925328 Report

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>>21924724
No announcement whatsoever

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:07:45 No.21925369 Report

Quoted By: >>21925524 >>21925736

Explorers of Sky rendered everything before it redundant. It has everything that the other Explorers games had and everything Rescue Team did, Sky did it better.

Gates, unlike the other games, has a good story, so even though the post game was heavily curtailed, it has something that Explorers didn't.

TLDR: Get Sky, Gates if you want a decent story, skip Rescue Team

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:09:30 No.21925396 Report

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>>21925328
>>21924724
Bear in mind that GTI wasn't announced until about two years after Black and White was released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:20:17 No.21925524 Report

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>>21924724
Chunsoft is currently busing having sex with Etrian Odyssey, very doubtful for now, but not impossible.
>>21925369
While Sky is indeed the best PMD game and makes everything else redundant, Rescue Team is miles from being skippable. Still a very enjoyable game with lots of things to do. Gates' story was decent and nothing much, everything else was pretty shit. They fixed some annoying things from previous games and removed a fuckload of interesting ones. Final Dungeon is paid fucking DLC. If this wasn't a Pokémon game this game would have killed the franchise. Maybe it did.
Anyway, Blue > Sky >if you really have to>Gates.
If you just want to try one game, Sky is perfection.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:32:26 No.21925682 Report

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>>21925524
Pokemon's a cash cow, I doubt they'd pass up the chance to do a 6th gen PMD, but I'd expect the same corner cutting as in Gates. Maybe less so if they're just going to use the same engine, and it looks like they're using GTI's engine with this Etrain odyssey MD.

Looking back, I think I enjoyed Gates more than I remembered. Mysteriosity thingy/v-wave/paradise/move levelling staved off the monotony better than having all the pokemon did. Hell, I might have even enjoyed it better than Sky if Sky didn't have all those post story events and the episodes (by far the best part of the game)

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:35:21 No.21925710 Report

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Red/Blue, same shit, I personally prefer blue since DS

If you haven't played the Dark or Time, get Sky instead

GTI doesn't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:37:24 No.21925736 Report

Quoted By: >>21925768 >>21926011

>>21925369
>skip Rescue Team
>skip Friend Areas, the comfiest place in all of vidya
>skip the most enjoyable town
>skip the best story
>skip the best music
Nah.

This is all my opinion though.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:41:22 No.21925765 Report

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>>21924706
What's EOMD?

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:41:31 No.21925768 Report

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>>21925736
>Best story

Everything else I can see why but how the flying fuck do you think Rescue Team's story is better than Explorers's/Gates's? It's about half the length of the other two, has absurdly terrible pacing and has even worse characters than Explorers.

I acknowledged your opinion though

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:54:12 No.21925951 Report

Quoted By: >>21925983 >>21926126

>>21925768
Spoilter just in case.

I know this is not a common opinion and I was unsure wether to list it at all, but I just found it personally more enjoyable because it seemed more grounded to me. Explorers has this weird story about time travel and Dialga turning evil or something, it all seemed so over-the-top for me.

Rescue Team has no real villains. It is about you trying to find out why you were turned into a Pokemon, the friends you make on the way there, the question wether you are a good guy or a bad guy, and then the climax. The point where everyone turns against you is more shocking because the people that "hunt" you actually are the friends you made during your questing. In Explorers, it's some generic bad guys. Sure, you are scared. But you aren't really shocked. In general Explorers rehashes quite a few plot points from Rescue team, and it just isn't as impactful the second time around, even if the tear jerking at the end is arguably executed better int Explorers, with the beach moment.

I do agree that Explorers has better characters in general, like Wigglytuff, Bidoof or your partner (who actually has a character this time around), but I really liked stuff like Pelipper or the Whiscash which is kinda lacking in Explorers.

To explain my opinion a little further, I was never a fan of these "world destruction evil plan" plots Pokemon seemed to be going for since gen 3. I mean, in gen 3 it was kinda okay because I liked the legendaries just so much and it seemed fitting and the villains were kinda redeemed, but when Generic Evil Boss in D/P wanted to turn himself into God and destroy the world, I just rolled my eyes and sighed. The one thing I like more about the earlier gens (1 and 2) is that the story is really just you having your pokemon adventure, and on the way there you beat up some grunts who are dicks. They are not really evil. I mean, yeah, they are dicks. But not "destroy the world!" dicks.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2014 23:57:15 No.21925983 Report

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>>21925951
cont
And that is my reason for enjoying Rescue Team more than Explorers. Yes, the world is in danger, but it is just a natural desaster, not really some evil doer (like Groudon and Kyogre in gen 3 are more natural desasters than the plan of the evil guy in gen 4). Gengar is arguably a villain, but even he is later revealed to just be a bully with his own problems. I found him sympathetic.

I am not saying I do not enjoy Explorers, because that is not true: I love the games. But I just prefer Rescue Team.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:01:11 No.21926011 Report

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>>21925736
This nigga gets it. By far most interesting and epic region. Also it sucks to just have your team on a list instead of them having comfy homes. I also liked all those ruins of human remains

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:06:19 No.21926059 Report

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>>21926011
Add: last mentioned contributed to lore and mystery of a world never experienced before. And then there's the reel feel of a story. The courage and hope driving you forward on an epic and dangerous quest, with your best friend supporting you all the way.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:11:41 No.21926126 Report

Quoted By: >>21926381 >>21928303

>>21925951
>>21925983
Not trying to argue, but I'll let you know what I think as you did the same to me.

The whole town wanting you dead + the whole fugitive part was actually pretty good and was far and away the best part of the game. That being said, I have a very high tolerance for big generic 'stop the villain from destroying the world' plots providing it's executed well with decent characters.

Oddly enough, I'd be tempted to put Rescue Team in the same category and it ties into another problem I have with it: By Rayquaza letting it happen for no reason whatsoever, he's a flat out villain in my eyes, and an incredibly stupid one at that, not seeing that the meteor would also fuck up the sky with big dust clouds and stuff. This adding to the fact that the finale amounted to not you saving the world, but telling Rayquaza to stop being a retard AND how the meteor thing comes in at the very last second made for a woefully disappointing finale.

That being said, what ultimately condemns Rescue Team's story for me (and Explorers to an extent, if you ignore the special episode) is the characters. The partner is the only main character who isn't a mute and he pretty much has zero personality or character, and asking me to get invested in a story where I don't care about the characters is a pretty damn hard sell. It's for this reason why I ultimately think that Gates, for all its flaws, had the best story out of the three due to its solid (albeit cliche) line up of characters who contribute far more than the side characters in the other two games, and getting more attached to them definitely made the corny power of friendship scenes far more tolerable.

Rescue Team's story seemed to be a bit indecisive as well, and you probably could have rearranged a few of the scenes/chapters and it'd flow just as well.

TLDR, it's the execution of Rescue Team's story that I thought was very weak, not what it was trying to do.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:14:07 No.21926149 Report

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Fucking magic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKMWMS7O50g

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:15:49 No.21926162 Report

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>Explorers of the Sky has 54 on Metacritic

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:17:07 No.21926179 Report

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>>21926162
>Gates has a higher score on Metacritic

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:17:13 No.21926180 Report

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>>21926162

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:22:24 No.21926251 Report

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>>21926180

I should be used to ratings like this but it always gets me.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:24:48 No.21926280 Report

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>>21926162
>>21926180
Wonder if Sky got a low rating solely because it's 'too similar to Darkness/Time,' ignoring all the people who never played Darkness and Time, much like I did when I played Sky

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 00:35:15 No.21926381 Report

Quoted By: >>21928303

>>21926126
I wouldn't be so quick as you with painting Rayquaza as a villain. Basically all the "wild" Pokemon react similarly to you entering their territorry, by trying to defend it. Rayquaza didn't pay attention to the meteor because it's just not in its nature to expcet a threat from above, and thus its first priority was to get rid of the invadors.
I can understand why you think it feels tacked on, but I was okay with that because the entire "story" of Rescue Team was rather episodic (ignoring the big escape arche in the middle), and it was more about living in that world and getting to know the people that live there and exploring the dungeons. Going to the sky to ultimately save the world (which as what you were there for, anyway) seemed like a satisfying conclusion.

About the characters, yes, the protagonist (you) is a mute for the most part, but I think that is a good way to have an empty vessel for the player to insert, while your partner is your mouth piece to interact with others with. The dynamic between them is like between Link and Navi. Link nor Navi are interesting characters, they both exist for specific narrative and ludo-narrative reasons, and they work well. They don't have to be interesting, because they really are just the tool of the game to communicate with you. That being said, your partner may not have been particularly deep, but he was sympathetic for what he was, especially in Explorers: a loyal little guy who grew over his fears.

But really, the actual attachment with the game comes from the many secondary characters. And, again, none of them are really deep (except maybe Gengar), but they all have their distinct and likable personalities. Dugdrio showing off in front of his awing son, the bug kids looking up to you, the town folk having their small talk about the world etc. The world as a whole fits well together, and is a generally enjoyable place to be.
I get that this boils down to personal preference, though.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 02:47:58 No.21928179 Report

Quoted By: >>21928493

>>21925765

Etrian Odyssey Mystery Dungeon. It's Chunsoft's current project that was announced earlier this week along with EO5.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 02:55:43 No.21928303 Report

Quoted By: >>21928331 >>21928493

>>21926381
>>21926126
>this discussion
Let's all agree that while PMD, both Rescue Team and Sky had their flaws but overall were entertaining and had memorable scenes and characters.

The music in both games is fantastic, and Sky had so much charm that it's impossible to forget. I really hope they get it together and have PMD4 surpass Gates and even possibly Sky.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 02:57:31 No.21928331 Report

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>>21928303
Well, I can agree on that.

When I got PMD for christmas in its release year it was the first time I pulled an all-nighter.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 03:04:05 No.21928437 Report

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>>21926180

1. Why the fuck is the GBA last gen version of the same fucking game better scored?

2. What the fuck is Shiren The Wanderer? I never hears of this.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 03:07:49 No.21928493 Report

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>>21928303
I reckon they'll at least surpass Gates, at least on the production and content front. Given that they seem to be motioning to using the same engine on 3ds MD games as seen here >>21928179 it'll take less development time and money to make, though I'm still expecting them to cut corners. That being said, Gates wasn't all bad. I still think that paradise and that v-wave and mysteriosity thing made the post game a little less repetitive and the story is easily the best we've had in a pokemon game, and given how much of a cash cow the pokemon franchise is, I'd be very surprised if there's not a 6th gen PMD

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 03:10:33 No.21928534 Report

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Blue first, then sky. The last one is bad.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 03:13:10 No.21928572 Report

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blue mystery team is the only must play game. the explorer series just tries way to hard to force these "emotional" scenes down your throat and it just makes you groan. you also can evolve until you have beaten most the post game and it got rid of a bunch of elements blue rescue team had

gates is just garbo

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