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Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:24:10 No.21974813 View View Reply Original Report

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Did you like Zinnia?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:27:55 No.21974880 Report

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>>21974813
thanks doc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:29:03 No.21974902 Report

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>>21974813
No, she's an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:31:07 No.21974936 Report

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>>21974813
no, she has not a single redeeming quality.
she's not even that amazing of a design despite what waifufags want you to believe.
her battle isn't that as good as every makes it out to be either

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:33:49 No.21974985 Report

Quoted By: >>21975140

She's a bitch. She took people's keystones, she broke a device that probably took years to develop, and when she fucked up she made me pick up all the slack, the way her character acts irritates me so fucking much.

I hate her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:34:15 No.21974994 Report

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>>21974813
As a character, she was very well written, she's the keeper of the deepest lore
And Delta Episode was GOAT.
So yeah, I enjoyed her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:36:29 No.21975033 Report

Quoted By: >>21975147 >>21975543 >>21977524

>YFW Zinnia was Gerald Robotnik, and actively tried to kill everyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:38:08 No.21975062 Report

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>>21974994

What the fuck are you talking about? Well written? She was an entitled self-righteous bitch who failed to do what she's supposed to do.

As a lorekeeper, Wallace curbstomps Zinnia in all aspects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:39:02 No.21975075 Report

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>>21974813
did you take this picture with a magnet?

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Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:41:15 No.21975110 Report

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>>21975062
At least she wasn't a bland ass bitch like most other characters of the series you cunt
She had a lot of character, and even if you don't agree with her actions, she still added some flavor to the episode.
Why are you so mad about it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:42:21 No.21975131 Report

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I hated her battle animation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:42:51 No.21975140 Report

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>>21974985
>the way her character acts irritates me so fucking much.
Not a masochist but that's actually why I like Zinnia. The next game she appears in, I will punch her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:43:18 No.21975147 Report

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>>21975033
So... Who was Eggman?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:45:29 No.21975178 Report

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>>21975147
The whismur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:45:56 No.21975184 Report

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>tried to kill everyone with groudon/kyogre
>destroys the link cable, dooming the world if her plan fails
>steals everyone's keystone
>knocks you out
>is a whore

She has no redeeming factors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:52:34 No.21975302 Report

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>>21975062
But anon, Zinnia needed the key stones to summon Rayquaza which, by the way, only she could do. She broke the machine to protect alternate universe Hoenn, and Rayquaza being low on power was beyond her control. Besides, are you telling me you'd prefer that Zinnia got to rocket into space on the back of a giant dragon with electric guitars playing to go bust a meteor and kick an alien's ass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:53:07 No.21975312 Report

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>>21975110
She's a bland bitch, she's a self-righteous asshole, she stole the keystones, doomed the earth and thinks she did "the right thing".

Zinnia is a one-note edgy mary-sue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:56:02 No.21975356 Report

Quoted By: >>21975388 >>21975428

>mfw /vp/ hates an outgoing person like zinnia but beats off to the thought of courtney
Truly and autistic board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:57:37 No.21975385 Report

Quoted By: >>21975479

>>21975302
>She stole keystones to summon rayquayquay
Why would you need Rayquaza? Primal Kyogre/Groudon was in a pokéball, ready to use and since they were the "first plan" they could destroy the meteoroid.

Furthermore, rayquaza was a legend, she did something because she was born in a cult, the legend just resulted true.

>Rayquaza being low on power was beyond her control
So her legend failed and she destroyed the last hope for that planet (the link cable). A sensible person would've told the scientists to give them a time limit to deal with it yourself, otherwise use the link cable.

>Scripted sequence was cool
A rocket sequence or a portal sequence could've been cool too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:57:43 No.21975387 Report

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>>21974813

>File shadowthehedgehog.personality
>Copy File
>File Folder: ORAS
>ORAS/Characters/Zinnia
>Paste

The worst character we are going to end up repeatedly seeing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:57:43 No.21975388 Report

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>>21975356
But why does it love Shelly then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 23:59:15 No.21975428 Report

Quoted By: >>21975730 >>21979811

>>21975356
>Implying she's outgoing
She's a self-righteous prick, she only opens to the hero, not the other characters, she thinks highly of herself, she's more of an introvert than an extrovert (she externalized her pain in a pet).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:02:21 No.21975470 Report

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Zinnia was a character I thought I was going to like until nearly everything about her ingame creeped me out. Imagine those Exploud orgasms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:02:54 No.21975479 Report

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>>21975385
>No passion for short, but still badass, cutscenes
So, you're a faggot. Got it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:04:23 No.21975506 Report

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>>21975131
I don't get why it is how it is. When we saw it before the game was out, I figured she was going to snap and go crazy, but she didn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:06:59 No.21975543 Report

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>>21975033
>>21975178
>Box legends are the eclipse cannon
>Zinnia was shadow, who tried to kill everyone, but was then convinced to try to save everyone
>The player was FAST
>Rayquayquay was super forms (even went super itself)
This is too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:07:00 No.21975544 Report

Quoted By: >>21975607 >>21975629 >>21975656 >>21975725 >>21978359

She was protecting alternate Hoenn, and the device they wanted to use was too similar to AZ's weapon, which sacrificed lives to use. She did the sensible thing.

Plus, even though you ruined her plans, she didn't just attack you, she brought you over to her side. That's hardly edgy or unreasonable.

She also returned the keystones she stole. Her methods are extreme but she has to save the damn world.

Don't why you people have such a problem with her, except that maybe you resent assertive women.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:08:33 No.21975565 Report

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>>21975387
If you honestly thought she was like shadow the hedge hog because of
>muh edgy
You might actually be retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:11:08 No.21975598 Report

Quoted By: >>21975647

Yeah, I enjoyed the Delta episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:11:37 No.21975607 Report

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>>21975544
Or maybe it's because she was a total bitch about the way she went about doing that, she wasn't be assertive, she was being an asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:12:45 No.21975629 Report

Quoted By: >>21975644 >>21975686

>>21975544
>She was protecting alternate hoenn
She was basically a conspiranoic cultist.
>You ruined her plans
How? I caught primal Kyogre, she could've asked me to use it to destroy the meteoroid with origin pulse.
>She returned the keystones
No, she didn't, Wally stated that the HERO returned them, not Zinnia.
>you resent assertive woman
I resent crazy people who think they're right. Wallace had as much importance being a lorekeeper too, and he wasn't high and mighty to everyone else.

She's not liked because she was childish and was mentally unbalanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:14:15 No.21975644 Report

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>>21975629
>implying Zinnia didn't give you the keystones to give back

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:14:17 No.21975647 Report

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>>21975598
You can enjoy the delta eppisode and be critical of the characters too.

I liked the delta eppisode, but I hate Zinnia, she was an asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:14:48 No.21975656 Report

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>>21975544
>oh my god, you hate crazy genocidal bitches, FUCKING SHITLORDS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:15:18 No.21975667 Report

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>>21975644
>Implying she would've given them back if you didn't defeated her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:15:52 No.21975671 Report

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Honestly the worse thing about her is that she didn't explain jack shit till the end

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:16:23 No.21975683 Report

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>>21975667
She still gave them back you inbreed

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:16:31 No.21975686 Report

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>>21975629
>How? I caught primal Kyogre, she could've asked me to use it to destroy the meteoroid with origin pulse.

No you moron, Groudon and Kyogre weren't summoned to destroy the meteor, they were summoned to fight each other which would summon Rayquaza, who could then destroy the meteor like he did in the past. She was trying to create the event from Emerald but you got in the way.

She returned the keystone to you, so that you could return it.

"High and mighty" doesn't matter when she was right. You sound like the kind of people who bitch about a person's tone rather than the content of their argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:17:49 No.21975706 Report

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>>21975686
This.
The people here who didn't like Zinnia because of her goals are retarded.
I can understand personality, but not goals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:18:48 No.21975725 Report

Quoted By: >>21975745 >>21975816

>>21975544
She is protecting a Hoenn she doesn't even know 100% exists. She is going on a HUNCH that she is right with no proof at all. Also she destroyed the Link Cable and was banking completely on the fact that her plan would work. And it wouldn't have worked unless you just so happened to have the meteorite. So if you hadn't been there she would have doomed all of Hoenn without any back up plan because she DESTROYED the only back up plan DUE TO A HUNCH.

Also she thought having a giant whale/godzilla monster destroy Hoenn was a good way to save Hoenn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:19:02 No.21975730 Report

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>>21975428
maybe thats why i liked her then.. I'm introverted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:20:01 No.21975745 Report

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>>21975725
please direct your attention to
>>21975686

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:20:43 No.21975756 Report

Quoted By: >>21975788 >>21975876

>>21975686
But Zinnia wasn't right, she summoned Rayquayza and he couldn't mega evolve. It's only because of your meteorite which she had no idea you had that her plan was able to work. If you didn't have the meteorite then she would have doomed everyone because she retardedly destroyed the only backup plan because it may have possibly sent the meteor to an alternate universe which may or may not exists.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:22:37 No.21975784 Report

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>>21975686
>They were summoned to fight each other and summon rayquaza.
No, only one was summoned and she said the "power of the super-ancient pokémon could protect the planet" or something like that.
>>21975683
>>21975686
>She returned them to you
Because you beat her and probably make her give them to you, she was so up her own ass, she couldn't care less for the key stone holders.
>High and mighty doesn't matter when she was right
She wasn't, she was /pol/ levels of crazy. Coal powered the first world war, are you going to tell me that we can't use coal anymore because muh first war?

Also
>Alternate universe can't destroy the meteoroid without mega

Why? How could she know?

How was she sure normal rayquaza from the alternate universe couldn't destroy the meteor?

Normal rayquazas have hyper beamed deoxys' meteors before

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:22:51 No.21975788 Report

Quoted By: >>21975827 >>21975837

>>21975756
For the last time, she's a lore keeper, and a draconite or whatever, she firmly believed what what was passed on through her culture.
It's not like she saw the future and knew that without the meteorite it wouldn't work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:24:31 No.21975816 Report

Quoted By: >>21975846 >>21975863

>>21975725

They wouldn't destroy Hoenn because Rayquaza would stop them. She had cyclical history to back this up, the same history that predicted the meteor.

Also, never does it say that it's just a hunch. She KNOWS, as a lorekeeper, that there's a different Hoenn. The whole dimensional thing with Hoopa and the other legendaries confirms it. It's the major revelation in ORAS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:25:00 No.21975826 Report

Quoted By: >>21975864

>>21975745
I didn't say her plan was to have Groudon and Kyogre stop the meteor. I meant her plan was to have them start destroying Hoenn in order to summon Ryquaza. Groudon and Kyogre have a history of DESTROYING EVERYTHING. So her plan was to destroy Hoenn to save Hoenn.

And how was she going have Rayquaza mega evolve if it seems like she was collecting the things she needed to in the Delta episode that takes place AFTER WARDS. Did she thing Rayquaza would just wait patiently for her to finish her grocery shopping!?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:25:07 No.21975827 Report

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>>21975788
Wallace too, and he didn't try to drown/scorch Hoenn and then stormed the space center and destroyed the last hope for hoenn.

It's like saying
>The crusades were good because they were christians

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:25:43 No.21975837 Report

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>>21975788
>For the last time, she's a lore keeper, and a draconite or whatever, she firmly believed what what was passed on through her culture.

How does that make anything she did better? She nearly destroyed the world because of her little rayquaza cult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:26:23 No.21975846 Report

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>>21975816
No, he wouldn't

>Mega-quayquay stopped primals
Rayquaza couldn't mega at the time, thus it couldn't stop the megas.

>She KNOWS as a lorekeeper

As /pol/ knows the jews are the illuminati?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:26:31 No.21975852 Report

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>>21974813
i never thought they would actually do it
I felt something i never thought would touch my cold fat encased heart
I felt that it was more retarded than the looker quests in XY
Good job nintendo, you finally managed to set the standard so low i have no hope for the next generation

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:26:46 No.21975860 Report

Quoted By: >>21975880 >>21979661

>>21975784

I was under the impression that she was from the gen 3 universe and just somehow ended up in the gen 6 universe, and was trying to stop her own world from being destroyed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:27:06 No.21975863 Report

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>>21975816
Like she knew that rayquaza's power could drain over time and would need a recharge before it could mega evolve again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:27:06 No.21975864 Report

Quoted By: >>21975931

>>21975826
She started to collect the keystones after you took down the primal, because she knew she would have to go the other route.
In emerald, when kyogre and groudon fight, rayquaza stops it.
It would've been a way to summon it.
Are you capable of making connections?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:27:34 No.21975872 Report

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>>21974813
easily, the worst character so far

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:27:44 No.21975876 Report

Quoted By: >>21975894 >>21975931

>>21975756

You having the meteorite was destiny. She was acting according to the prophecy, which is how they stopped the meteoroids in the past. You were part of that prophecy, unbeknownst to her at first.

>>21975784

Because it took mega rayquaza to destroy it in your universe. She didn't want to take the risk of the other Hoenn not having the means, when your Hoenn DOES have the means.

>Because you beat her and probably make her give them to you
>probably

nice headcanon m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:28:02 No.21975880 Report

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>>21975860
That's never even hinted at, all the parallel biullshit is her own crazyness, not even justifiable as her being the LOREKEEPER.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:28:52 No.21975894 Report

Quoted By: >>21975914 >>21975919 >>21975961

>>21975876
>She was acting according to the prophecy

So she nearly doomed hoenn because of her little rayquaza cult. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:30:08 No.21975914 Report

Quoted By: >>21975954 >>21975971

>>21975894
Yes, actually. That's why she did it.
She was doing what she believed in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:30:15 No.21975919 Report

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>>21975894

That's just like saying the scientists nearly doomed other Hoenn because they weren't aware of alternate dimensions, which are part of the canon now. You are only disagreeing with her because of your personal bias.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:30:52 No.21975930 Report

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Zinna is a shitty Mary Sue character that almost fucked Hoenn in two occasions if it weren't for you. Not to mention that she's a complete asshole about all of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:30:57 No.21975931 Report

Quoted By: >>21975960 >>21975968

>>21975864
Rayquaza couldn't mega evolve, what makes you believe it could stop the primals?
>>21975876
>She would've returned them against everything stablished for her persona and character.

Nice headcanon mate. The facts are, she took the keystones after defeating someone in battle. You defeated her. Wally said "HERO brought the keystone back" not "Zinnia gave it back".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:32:05 No.21975954 Report

Quoted By: >>21975989

>>21975914
So you have no rpoblem with muslims killing every non-muslim. Catholics did nothing wrong in the crusades, right?

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:32:21 No.21975955 Report

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i liked her
she was cute

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:32:31 No.21975959 Report

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>>21975543
>She probably covered up for trying to awaken the legends, because she obviously meant to destroy the world
>muh ria

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:32:33 No.21975960 Report

Quoted By: >>21976006

>>21975931
Yes, she chose to give them to the hero, however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:32:34 No.21975961 Report

Quoted By: >>21976016

>>21975894
Her little Rayquaza cult that was created after Rayquaza responded to their prayers and saved the world in the past. Twice.

And remember what she said, if the scientists had used the machine, it would have caused a bigger tragedy than the one that ended the war 3000 years ago, taking both Pokemon and humans with it as a sacrifice. What's the point if they kill what they're trying to save in the beginning?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:32:47 No.21975968 Report

Quoted By: >>21975991

>>21975931

Because it did it before you insufferable fuck.

"Rayquaza confronted Primal Groudon & Kyogre and created a terrible wind that sapped their power, causing the two to vanish."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:32:51 No.21975971 Report

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>>21975914
>She was doing what she believed in.
And this doesn't make what she did any better.

>>21975919
How are they canon? Because the word of one cultist doesn't seem like canon to me, and no, the hoopa holes don't prove anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:34:08 No.21975989 Report

Quoted By: >>21976021 >>21976043

>>21975954
It's not whether or not I agree with what she was doing, it's understanding where she was coming from.
Than you for reassuring me that you have no idea what you're talking about, however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:34:17 No.21975991 Report

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>>21975968
No, faggot, mega-quayquay stopped primals, normal quayquay would've been ass raped by the primals,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:34:40 No.21975997 Report

Quoted By: >>21978886

>>21974813
Terrible character. The worst in the game.

Literally so big a Battle Frontier fangirl that she would doom the universe she lives in to save another with a Battle Frontier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:35:21 No.21976006 Report

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>>21975960
>She chose to give them to you

She gave them to you right after summoning rayquaza? No. She did after you destroyed her team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:35:38 No.21976010 Report

Quoted By: >>21976050 >>21976052

I still don't believe that different dimensions are canon.

The plan was to warp the meteor away, like the warp pads do in the bases.

Warp pads don't access other dimensions.

The meteor would just go somewhere else in space, and she was concerned for other planets, because another earth could potentially be a possibility

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:36:15 No.21976016 Report

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>>21975961
>Her little Rayquaza cult that was created after Rayquaza responded to their prayers and saved the world in the past. Twice.

In a million year old legend. Not exactly a reliable source. And how would some cultist know exactly what would happen if they used the rocket?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:36:29 No.21976021 Report

Quoted By: >>21976047

>>21975989
>She nearly destroyed a country because of her cult

How is that different from what muslims or catholics did?

Knowing she's crazy doesn't make her less crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:38:26 No.21976043 Report

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>>21975989
knowing where she's coming from doesn't make her actions any better. There is literally no harm in having a backup plan, which she destroyed because of a possibility that it would end up in an alternate dimension.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:38:44 No.21976047 Report

Quoted By: >>21976064

>>21976021
Who are you quoting?
I didn't say it was different.
Nor did I say she wasn't crazy.
She was doing what she believed in.
What you just provided is a real life example of what Zinnia did.
Thank you for agreeing with me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:39:00 No.21976050 Report

Quoted By: >>21976071 >>21976213

>>21976010
This. The whole "muh parallel dimensions" is just Zinnia trying to justify her being an attention whore.

Nowhere in the lore does it say "parallel dimensions" so she just assumed shit. I'm sure a crazy cultist doesn't know how a technological device works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:39:16 No.21976052 Report

Quoted By: >>21976081 >>21976108

>>21976010
But that was only one problem, even if the theory of an alternate (or in this case, original) Hoenn wasn't true, it would still kill countless Pokemon AND humans the same way the weapon from 3000 years ago did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:40:16 No.21976064 Report

Quoted By: >>21976088 >>21976096

>>21976047
WHat's the argument then?

She's a shitty character because she's /pol/ levels of crazy.

Knowing where she "comes from" doesn't change that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:40:44 No.21976071 Report

Quoted By: >>21976215

>>21976050
Nigga the portal was a portal to a different dimension.

Qwerty 0903-3834-4470

Qwerty 0903-3834-4470 Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:41:04 No.21976077 Report

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>>21975110
Youngster Joey had better character than Zinnia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:41:18 No.21976081 Report

Quoted By: >>21976115

>>21976052
She literally has no evidence for this. In fact the rocket is already filled with that energy, so they wouldn't have needed to kill anyone else to power it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:41:47 No.21976088 Report

Quoted By: >>21976137

>>21976064
>she's crazy so she's a bad character
why are you so retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:42:22 No.21976096 Report

Quoted By: >>21976137 >>21976209

>>21976064
I'm a /pol/itician and I take offense to this. Even I wouldn't stoop so low as to destroy an entire nation based on a hunch. Except maybe Israel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:42:48 No.21976108 Report

Quoted By: >>21976130

>>21976052
No, that's ehat she supposed would happen. (an ignorant cultist who knows nothing of technology) she's the equivalent of christian lobbyists who think genetic engineering is laughing at "muh god".

The scientists in game said "It will be as mega-evolving" we'll use the power in the meteors to fuel the mega-evolution of the rocket.

Nowhere do they said "we'll use the life force of the pokémon".

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:42:54 No.21976110 Report

Quoted By: >>21976150 >>21976215 >>21976489 >>21977207

>>21974813

Are you people fucking reading what you're posting?

>how do we KNOW she was right?

BECAUSE GAMEFREAK FUCKING WROTE IT THAT WAY. Her plan stopped the meteor, and they wrote several references to alternate dimensions, including all those fucking portals. Why would they even write about that alternate Hoenn shit if they didn't intend it to be canon? Saying it risked life energy like AZ's machine would be enough, but they specifically included the dimensions. You're all acting like dimensions and true prophecies are outrageous for Pokemon lore when they fit right in.

They obviously wrote her to be right and the scientists to be wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:43:21 No.21976115 Report

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>>21976081
>implying lore needs evidence

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:43:57 No.21976130 Report

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>>21976108

I can smell your sweaty fedora from here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:44:33 No.21976137 Report

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>>21976088
>She's a crazy cultist (A.k.a team plasma grunt 2.0)
>She's a good character

How are you so retarded?
>>21976096

lol, you understand what I mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:44:50 No.21976150 Report

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>>21976110

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:47:14 No.21976209 Report

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>>21976096

Why the fuck do you keep saying it was "just a hunch?" Who says it was a hunch? Who says she didn't know for sure that there was an alternate Hoenn? It's well within the realm of Pokemon lore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:47:22 No.21976213 Report

Quoted By: >>21976251 >>21976278 >>21976300

>>21976050
People in Pokemon don't assume things and be wrong. They're always right. Zinnia was right. She did nothing wrong since everyone's still alive and the other Hoenn isn't nuked to hell.

Why do you not believe text that's right there in the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:47:22 No.21976215 Report

Quoted By: >>21976288 >>21976296 >>21976303

>>21976110
>Her plan stopped the meteor

Nope, the hero did.

>It used life energy

Nope, the scientists who developed the technology said it was going to use the radiation in the meteor shards. Not life force.

>>21976071
No, it was a portal to somewhere far, like the mats that teleport you. Those mats make you change dimensions? No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:48:24 No.21976251 Report

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>>21976213
>She did nothing wrong

She failed anon, the pokéworld would be gone if not for the main character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:49:50 No.21976278 Report

Quoted By: >>21976303

>>21976213
>People in Pokémon don't assume things and be wrong

Who are Archie and Maxie. Your argument is invalid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:50:08 No.21976288 Report

Quoted By: >>21976340

>>21976215
>nope the hero did
What did you expect to happen?
This is a pokemon game, did you expect for every thing to workout without the hero not getting his or her hands dirty?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:50:31 No.21976296 Report

Quoted By: >>21976385

>>21976215
This nigga gets it. There are roughly 5 dimensions in Pokémon, if I remember correctly. There's the distortion world, there's the plane that Dialga lives in, the plane that Palkia lives in, the higher plane that Arceus inhabits, and there's the world the games take place in. The mention of another hoenn was just a nudge to the old games. If you wanna get all technical, maybe those games took place on another planet far away or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:50:52 No.21976300 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976213
>People in Pokémon don't assume things and be wrong.

Who are all the people who assumed Ghetsis was a good guy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:50:55 No.21976303 Report

Quoted By: >>21976374 >>21976386

>>21976215
>Nope, the hero did.

Rayquaza stopped the meteor. If it wasn't for her Rayquaza would not be summoned. The prophecy still came true, you just happened to be part of it.

>>21976278

Yes, villains. Zinnia is not a villain, she was not written as one. If they wanted her to be wrong they would have clearly shown that she was wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:52:27 No.21976340 Report

Quoted By: >>21976353

>>21976288
She could've destroyed the meteor and then you would have to save the day by catching deoxys after deo nuked mega-quayquay into oblivion...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:53:10 No.21976349 Report

Quoted By:

I liked her as a character, but I disagree with her actions as a whole. You can like a character for being well written but still have different viewpoints from theirs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:53:20 No.21976353 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976340
This is a pokemon game, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:53:50 No.21976365 Report

Quoted By: >>21976396

QUESTION TIME: Why didn't she just gather the key stones to begin with, instead of almost destroying a region?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:54:14 No.21976374 Report

Quoted By: >>21976489

>>21976303
But Zinnia was a villain, she started the whole groudon/kyogre thing, she stole Wally and the Rival's keystones, she destroyed the last hope for humanity, all because she was in a cult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:54:35 No.21976385 Report

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>>21976296

Those dimensions didn't exist in gen 1, that doesn't mean they're not canon now.

ORAS revealed that there are other dimensions and now they are part of the canon. Stop denying it just because you have some personal butthurt about a character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:54:36 No.21976386 Report

Quoted By: >>21976489

>>21976303
>She was not written as one.

-She was part of a villanous team.
-She helped and seeked to revive not one, not two but three super-ancient pokémon.
-She stole things from innocent people
-She destroyed equipment.

She did more wrong things than most of the teams, she just needed to steals some pokémon and kill a marowak to have done everything wrong that has been made in the pokéverse.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:54:41 No.21976388 Report

Quoted By: >>21976400 >>21976409 >>21976413

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:55:15 No.21976396 Report

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>>21976365
Because she's a bad character anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:55:25 No.21976400 Report

Quoted By: >>21976471

>>21976388
Get an actual camera you disgusting fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:55:51 No.21976409 Report

Quoted By: >>21976471

>>21976388
did you take that picture with a fucking potato?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:56:15 No.21976413 Report

Quoted By: >>21976471

>>21976388
Did you take this with a toaster?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:56:56 No.21976433 Report

Quoted By:

>>21974813
no
she's fucking annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:57:54 No.21976454 Report

Quoted By: >>21976488 >>21976495 >>21976628

The problem with Zinnia is that she isn't well written at all. Most of the actual issues with the character come from her not only be poorly written but the entire Delta Episode in general.

For example, if the scientist have a rocket with enough power to send it to another dimension, why didn't they just blow it the fuck up with that power?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:58:41 No.21976471 Report

Quoted By: >>21976514 >>21976535 >>21976538 >>21978417

>>21976400
>>21976409
>>21976413

No just a badly lit room and I wanted to get this up fast.

But I'm glad to see you guys have no actual response and instead have to rely on bashing my shit ass camera as you only way to defend shit opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:59:20 No.21976488 Report

Quoted By: >>21976576

>>21976454
Why don't we just pull apart every plot in pokemon's history and make it a party?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:59:23 No.21976489 Report

Quoted By: >>21976519 >>21976605

>>21976374
>>21976386

She did all of that to save the fucking world, not to further some personal ideal. If she was wrong then Gamefreak would have you stop her instead of helping her. Refer to this
>>21976110

Again, why would they even HAVE her there if she was wrong? They would just have the scientists stop it with portals if there was nothing wrong with that. You are arguing against what Gamefreak fucking wrote as canon, because of your personal bias against the character. I hope you realize how retarded that is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:59:38 No.21976495 Report

Quoted By: >>21976576

>>21976454
>another dimension*

Very far. Nobody believed a parallel universe existed, only the crazy cultist who believes her pet is her daughter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:00:38 No.21976514 Report

Quoted By: >>21976576

>>21976471
We have no other response because we can't see the fucking photo, you refined retard.
Maybe if we can actually see it, then we can respond.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:00:52 No.21976519 Report

Quoted By: >>21976620

>>21976489
If a character relies solely on "but the creator says shes good" to be good, then that character is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:01:40 No.21976535 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976471
Take better pictures you cunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:01:46 No.21976538 Report

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>>21976471
>implying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:02:29 No.21976562 Report

Quoted By:

Again, the meteor would not go to another dimension. Cosmo says that the link cable and the wormhole would work JUST LIKE THE WARP PADS IN THE BASES.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:03:21 No.21976576 Report

Quoted By: >>21976628

>>21976514
I can see it just fine

>>21976495
I'm going with what the in-game people said. Even if it was very far, it's still a fuck load of energy. Why couldn't they just blow it the fuck up? Especially when that's what Mega RayRay ends up doing anyways.

>>21976488
You can if you want to.

Zinnia is still a shitty character, and the Delta Episode was poorly written. More so than normal Pokemon bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:05:22 No.21976605 Report

Quoted By: >>21976658 >>21976697

>>21976489
>You would try to stop her.

Nigger, you're actively chasing her down and you beat her in a pokémon battle, that counts as stopping her in my book.

>She's not furthering her ideals

She is, she's furthering her messianic ideals.

>Gamefreak wrote it, therefire it's truth.

Yeah, because nobody has ever been wrong in the pokéverse, right? The sages and the grunts of team plasma believed in ghetsis, ghetsis ended up being an asshole and prove them wrong. Maxie/Archie thought reviving the primals would bring more life to the world, they nearly destroyed Hoenn.

You are arguing against what Gamefreak wrote as canon (People can be wrong, N was wrong about Plasma...), because of your own personal bias towards your crazy waifu. I hope you realise how retarded that is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:06:08 No.21976620 Report

Quoted By: >>21976666 >>21976724

>>21976519

All good characters are good because the creator writes them to be good. If they wanted her to be evil they would make her plan wrong and make you, the hero, stop her. It's common fucking sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:06:29 No.21976628 Report

Quoted By: >>21976655 >>21976662 >>21976694

>>21976454
>>21976576
What do they have on hand that would match the power of MQuay's Dragon Ascent? what other attacks (going off base pokemon stats and base move power, no enhancements through training) or devices could match that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:07:52 No.21976655 Report

Quoted By: >>21976694

>>21976628

Why bother? They're going to make some shit up about how the story COULD have been different, despite Gamefreak specifically writing it this way.

They obviously had nothing to destroy it if they relied on redirecting it. That's the canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:08:15 No.21976658 Report

Quoted By: >>21976695

>>21976605
You never try to stop her. The only reason you fight her is because she asked, and guess what, it doesn't stop shit. She's a protagonist, if you think she was portrayed as an antagonist you might be retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:08:18 No.21976662 Report

Quoted By: >>21976694 >>21976704

>>21976628
They have the power to send a Meteorite to another dimension this is what GF wrote, I know its bad but that's how it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:08:26 No.21976666 Report

Quoted By: >>21976704 >>21976754

>>21976620
She was as wrong with her plan as Maxie/Archie were, maxie/archie underestimated the primals, Zinnia overestimated rayquaza. You fight her, beat her and fix her shit, just like you did with Maxie/Archie. If she's a "good guy" so are Maxie/Archie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:10:11 No.21976694 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976628
>>21976662

Even if a rocket couldn't destroy it, the scientist don't know that.

>>21976655
Which goes back to my original point - Zinnia is a shitty character because she (and Delta Episode in general) is poorly written

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:10:15 No.21976695 Report

Quoted By: >>21976714

>>21976658
>You never try to stop her.

Post-game you see a battered May wiiut mega-stone and she says May says she was heading towards Petalburg (to beat and steal the keystone from wally). At that point I only wanted to stop her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:10:23 No.21976697 Report

Quoted By: >>21976778

>>21976605

Ghetsis and Maxie/Archie were wrong because Gamefreak wrote them to be wrong. They did not write Zinnia to be wrong, her plan was successful and the prophecy came true. Just because you were part of it doesn't mean she was wrong, it just means you were part of it. The game is about you, after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:10:35 No.21976704 Report

Quoted By: >>21976846

>>21976666
QUADS FUCKING CONFIRM
ZINNIA WAS WRONG

>>21976662
Find me in-game dialogue, or any kind of official source that talks about other dimensions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:11:16 No.21976714 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976695
*without

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:12:00 No.21976724 Report

Quoted By: >>21976790

>>21976620
You don't get what I'm saying. If a character is well written character then her actions should reflect what side she's on. Zinnia is supposedly a good guy, her actions do not reflect this at all. If the only reason people think she is a good guy is because gamefreak says she is a good guy, without having her actions line up with that, then she is a very poorly written character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:12:09 No.21976727 Report

Quoted By:

The music that plays when you battle her is amazing at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:13:42 No.21976754 Report

Quoted By: >>21976811

>>21976666

You don't fight her to stop her you stupid fuck, you fight her because she asks you to fight her, to prove that you're worthy and capable of guiding Rayquaza against the meteor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:14:43 No.21976778 Report

Quoted By: >>21976841

>>21976697
ZINNIA IS ALSO WRONG! How is that soo difficult dor you waifutards to understand? Her plan failed when rayquaza couldn't mega (as maxie/archie's plan failed when the primals where too strong). Just because you stopped the primals, that doesn't make team magma/aqua wrong. After all, post-game there actually are more species of pokémon...

Also, this same shit has been done before and better, with N.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:15:24 No.21976789 Report

Quoted By:

I didn't really like her before, but after reading through these replies I realized that she was actually pretty good.
I loved the delta episode, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:15:26 No.21976790 Report

Quoted By: >>21976819

>>21976724

It's called an anti-hero. It's someone who has a righteous goal but achieves it through morally questionable means. That doesn't make her a bad character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:16:27 No.21976811 Report

Quoted By: >>21976970

>>21976754
No, you fight her because she's still thinking she's a special snowflake and wants to battle with a FUCKING METEOR HEADING FOR HOENN. So you promptly beat her dragon ass.

You already caught rayquaza, she's just doing damage control because she was too inept to fulfill her destiny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:16:44 No.21976819 Report

Quoted By: >>21976849 >>21976970

>>21976790
Maxie and Archie had righteous goals. N had righteous goals. What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:17:53 No.21976841 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976778

Zinnia was acting according to the prophecy. You, being the hero of the game, were obviously part of that prophecy. Whether she knew that or not is irrelevant, all she knew was that her actions, whether or not they involved other people, would stop the meteor, and in a game about magical fucking monsters a prophecy has just as much merit as "science."

So no, she was not wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:17:58 No.21976846 Report

Quoted By: >>21976874 >>21976929

>>21976704
Huh, it appears you are right. Video I used for proof

http://youtu.be/jRqEp7mGvAY?t=8m

I still stand by what I say - Infinite Energy might enough to blow up the meteorite and the scientist have no way of knowing it unless they try it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:18:05 No.21976849 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976819
This nigga gets it. Having righteous ideals means jack shit when you have no evidence to prove that what you're doing is actually beneficial.

Furthermore, there ARE more species in Hoenn post-game, so Maxie/Archie were right, they're good guys too, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:19:26 No.21976874 Report

Quoted By: >>21976898 >>21976904

>>21976846
Warping it> destroying it

If you destroy it, you kill/anger deoxys and the leftovers can cause destruction too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:20:50 No.21976898 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976874
But the scientist don't know that Deoxys is in the Meteorite, and you end up blowing it up anyways with Rayquaza. Even if Deoxys attacked he's just space cancer which is nothing compared to the fucking Primal God you caught to save Hoenn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:21:08 No.21976904 Report

Quoted By: >>21977024

>>21976874
>There are no chunks of the meteor scattered across the region afterwards, even in dive sections
Easily would have made the game GOAT, yeah?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:22:15 No.21976929 Report

Quoted By: >>21977055

>>21976846
Would they create a fuckhuge laser with that energy? How long would that take? They already had the warp technology on hand. Why not just use pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:24:12 No.21976970 Report

Quoted By: >>21976993 >>21977058

>>21976811

Now you're just making shit up. She specifically says she is assessing your worth as a protector. She has to test Rayquaza's power to make sure it can deal with the meteor.

>>21976819

Their reasoning was righteous, i.e. advance humanity or protect pokemon, but their actual goals in substance, i.e. expanding land or sea, were wrong. Her goal was to destroy a meteor, there was nothing wrong with that.

The whole point is that they were misguided. N didn't understand that Pokemon actually enjoyed battling and being with their trainers. Maxie and Archie didn't understand the balance of nature. What the fuck does being right about something completely unrelated have to do with anything?

You are saying that Zinnia was wrong when Gamefreak clearly showed that she was right. It's your word against theirs, fuccboi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:25:29 No.21976993 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976970
>Now you're just making shit up. She specifically says she is assessing your worth as a protector. She has to test Rayquaza's power to make sure it can deal with the meteor.
So she doesn't in fact know that Rayquay can handle it. That's great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:25:34 No.21976997 Report

Quoted By: >>21977053

Alright since there are so many waifufags who can't see clearly let's make a list.

-Ideal: Wanted to protect Pokémon/Humans or both.
Maxie,Archie,N and Zinnia have this
-Method: Violence and self-righteousness.
Maxie,Archie and Zinnia, N is self-righteous, yet he doesn't use as much violence.
-Revived an ancient pokémon and underestimated/overestimated its powers, causing his/her plan to fail
Maxie, Archie and Zinnia did this.
-Hero has to clean up their mess
From all of them, again.

-Manipulated people in his/her team to further his/her goals
Zinnia and Ghetsis.

Bottom-line, she's worse than maxie and archie, and she's a "good guy". She's an awfully bad written character or she's a meh bad one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:26:35 No.21977024 Report

Quoted By: >>21977080

>>21976904
What are postDeltaChapter mega-stones?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:26:52 No.21977026 Report

Quoted By:

I like her. I just wish she was seen a bit more ingame prior to Delta Episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:27:36 No.21977040 Report

Quoted By:

ITT: people taking a plot from a chuldren's game too seriously

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:28:13 No.21977053 Report

Quoted By: >>21977078

>>21976997

The difference is that the hero STOPPED Maxie, Archie and N, while HELPING Zinnia and advancing her goal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:28:19 No.21977055 Report

Quoted By: >>21977124

>>21976929
They'd just blow it up with a rocket using the infinite energy or some shit.

>they already have the technology

Yeah, at a small scale. They didn't have the warphole rocket handy before the meteorite happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:28:31 No.21977058 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976970
Hey, faggot, you know why they're misguided? Because Zinnia made them lose the path, the team with Zinnia is the one who went bonkers. It's said in-game she made Maxie/Archie revive the primals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:29:37 No.21977078 Report

Quoted By: >>21977096

>>21977053
All of them realised their goal, faggot. You just saved the world when their plans resulted to have secondary effects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:29:40 No.21977080 Report

Quoted By: >>21977105 >>21977204

>>21977024
So if rayquayza goes mega from eating meteorites, does that mean that all meteors have mega residue on them? How'd they get that way? I thought megas were because of the energy released 3000 years ago by AZ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:30:35 No.21977096 Report

Quoted By: >>21977146

>>21977078

Reversing their plan is the same as stopping it. You didn't reverse Zinnia's plan, you helped her with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:31:14 No.21977105 Report

Quoted By: >>21977193

>>21977080

Meteor-ite. Charizard-ite. Sablen-ite...

It's said somewhere in the lore part of the game that AZ's energy was that of mega-evolution too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:32:01 No.21977124 Report

Quoted By: >>21977166 >>21977181 >>21977205

>>21977055
>implying they didn't just attach a warp module to the rocket.

Back to Zinnia, if she wasn't bad, why wouldn't she, you know, ask people for their key stones, or maybe NOT AWAKEN PRIMAL MONSTERS?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:33:18 No.21977146 Report

Quoted By: >>21977212 >>21977246

>>21977096
You dense motherfucker.

>Maxie/Archie/Zinnia's plan was to revive an ancient pokémon
>They all succeeded.
>You captured said legendary and saved the world from some danger.
>As a result of it, all their goals came true (More pokémon diversity for maxie/Archie, destroying the meteor for Zinnia)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:34:37 No.21977166 Report

Quoted By:

>>21977124
Don't even try to reason with these waifufags, Zinnia did nothing wrong for them because muh gamefreak said she was good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:35:26 No.21977181 Report

Quoted By:

>>21977124
That's silly but ok

Anyways, on Zinnia. Not only that, but why the FUCK is summoning these Primal Monsters her Plan A while stealing Key Stones is her back-up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:35:51 No.21977193 Report

Quoted By:

>>21977105
>AZ weapon made a sort of barrier around the planet, making certain materials found in meteorites turn to mega stones.
>They can do this, because they lock on to parts of that energy field, which was powered by pokemon life
>For instance, Blazikenite would respond to a Blaziken's life force
>It's likely that AZ only used the life of fully evolved pokemon for maximum effect.
>This is why only fully evolved pokemon can mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:36:16 No.21977204 Report

Quoted By:

>>21977080
AZ used the life force of Pokemon to fuel his machine. The blast from the weapon transformed Evolutionary Stones in Mega Stones.
The Meteorite can function as a Mega Stone.
Therefore, the Meteorite contains the same energy as the life force of Pokemon. What does this mean?

Infinity Energy is the left over energy from when Arceus created the world, and everyone's still fighting over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:36:23 No.21977205 Report

Quoted By: >>21977241

>>21977124
Because who would give their key stone to a random woman who tell you that a Meteor will drop down and the only way to stop it is to give her your key stone?

I believed that Zinnia knew that was a stupid plan and had to resort to force to save the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:36:29 No.21977207 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976110
This.

Seriously this is a childrens game, shit is not hard to follow

"But how would she know? " because the writers wrote it that way

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:36:44 No.21977212 Report

Quoted By: >>21977291 >>21977368

>>21977146

>more pokemon diversity for maxie/archie

What the flying fuck are you talking about

Their goal wasn't more diversity, where did you even get this. it was protection for pokemon or advancing humanity. You stopped their plans because they weren't conducive to either goal and threatened the goddamn world. Zinnia's plan was to have Rayquaza destroy the meteor and you directly helped her do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:38:07 No.21977241 Report

Quoted By: >>21977290

>>21977205
She could explain her plan to the scientists, who could promptly put out a news broadcast about the situation. That simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:38:20 No.21977246 Report

Quoted By:

>>21977146
Maxie wanted more land for humanity to progress on.
Archie wanted more sea to give back the habitats to Pokemon.

None of them wanted more Pokemon diversity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:40:09 No.21977290 Report

Quoted By: >>21977319 >>21977374 >>21977375

>>21977241
And you think the scientists would trust her with whatever she have to say to them when they (so they think) have a way to stop it?

Hell, even Steven had doubt about her plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:40:09 No.21977291 Report

Quoted By: >>21977314 >>21977383

>>21977212
Shadow planned to use the eclipse cannon to destroy the world in SA2. Killed some people to accomplish his goal. But he saved the world in the end. Does that make him a good guy, since he shared a common goal with the good guys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:41:15 No.21977314 Report

Quoted By: >>21977374

>>21977291
Where the hell are you going with this? Are you spouting random shit just to prove your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:41:30 No.21977319 Report

Quoted By: >>21977414 >>21977518

>>21977290
Wallace.
Wallace convinces Steven. steven convinces scientists. Scientists convince the keystone holders. Rather simple, actually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:42:59 No.21977349 Report

Quoted By: >>21977392

so the lesson of this thread is that a character can't have faults or do things that are bad in order for people to like them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:43:29 No.21977368 Report

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>>21977212
I played sapphire so this could be part of my missinformation, but

-Archie says "I want to revert Hoenn to its primal state"
-Birch says "A long time ago in Hoenn there was more pokémon diversity".

Put two and two together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:43:40 No.21977374 Report

Quoted By: >>21977456 >>21977465

>>21977290
Steven had doubt because she was talking about another Hoenn, and never really explained her plan to anyone but the player. And it's not like there isn't evidence for Zinnia's plan, as shown by the tower mural.

>>21977314
The point is, she doesn't get to be a good character because her goal in the end was good. The did bad things. Bad UNNECESSARY things. She's just a bad character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:43:42 No.21977375 Report

Quoted By: >>21977414

>>21977290
How about Wallace, who is also a Lorekeeper? Who the fuck is going to disagree with fucking Wallace?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:44:26 No.21977383 Report

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>>21977291

Zinnia didn't plan to destroy the world, anon. She summoned the primals in order to summon rayquaza, who would stop them and then destroy the meteor like he did before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:44:39 No.21977392 Report

Quoted By: >>21977527

>>21977349
Nah, it's that they can do bad things, but don't expect fans to say "they're heroes" just because gf says so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:45:46 No.21977414 Report

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>>21977375
>>21977319
These niggas get it. Zinnia just was too big of an attention whore to think properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:47:48 No.21977456 Report

Quoted By: >>21977556

>>21977374

Her goal all along was good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:48:10 No.21977465 Report

Quoted By: >>21977488

>>21977374
The character you're comparing her to had a malicious goal in the first place, the comparison is almost nonsensical

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:49:33 No.21977488 Report

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>>21977465
N had good intentions too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:50:52 No.21977518 Report

Quoted By: >>21977580

>>21977319
And would Wallace trust Zinnia over his friend Steven? He may know about Sky Pillar, but I believe that Wallace would most likely wouldn't trust Zinnia to begin with.

Not to mention that Steven probably wouldn't think that using everyone's keystone would be a good idea considering they have a rocket that (Presumbly) destroy the asteroid or use the Link Ca

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:51:12 No.21977524 Report

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>>21975033
Delta Episode was very Sonic Adventure 2-y

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:51:18 No.21977527 Report

Quoted By: >>21977580 >>21977602

>>21977392

Zinnia's worst crime is taking some keystones that found their way back to their original owners and crushing a device that would have killed a ton of people elsewhere

she's don't a bright shining paragon, she at times plays an antagonistic role, but she's more or less heroic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:52:14 No.21977556 Report

Quoted By: >>21977576 >>21977587

>>21977456
But her actions weren't. What wrong would have happened if she left things alone? Hell, how the fuck did she know about the meteor to begin with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:53:14 No.21977576 Report

Quoted By: >>21977602

>>21977556

Through the prophecy. Did you even read the goddamn text?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:53:29 No.21977580 Report

Quoted By: >>21977672 >>21977679

>>21977527
Nope, she manipulated Maxie/Archie to revive the primals too.

>>21977518
Wallace knows about the draconians, she could say I'm a draconian, go to sky pillar if you don't trust me. There, problem solved. But no, she wanted to be the hero herself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:53:51 No.21977587 Report

Quoted By: >>21977611 >>21977704

>>21977556
>What wrong would have happened if she left things alone?

a bunch of people in another version of Hoenn would be dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:54:26 No.21977602 Report

Quoted By: >>21977646 >>21977704

>>21977527
But she doesn't know that the meteor would have killed people elsewhere? It could have warped and crashed into an uninhabited planet, which is far more likely.

>>21977576
Because I'm sure that they knew the exact date of the next meteor strike, even though that's bullshit, unless deoxys was the cause back then too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:54:53 No.21977611 Report

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>>21977587
If and only if the portal was to alternate hoenn and not "faraway" like the scientists say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:56:27 No.21977646 Report

Quoted By: >>21977664

>>21977602

Obviously she did know. Prophecies have just as much merit as 'science' in a game about magical fucking monsters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:57:49 No.21977664 Report

Quoted By: >>21977690

>>21977646
Then, if prophecies are facts in-game, she could've used Wallace to convince Hoenn to peacefully get the keystones...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:58:11 No.21977672 Report

Quoted By: >>21977726

>>21977580
>Nope, she manipulated Maxie/Archie to revive the primals too.
Where does the game tells you that she did this to them and not that it was their original plan?

>>21977580
But would have Wallace trust her over Steven and the others? Especially if she wanted to take everyone's key stone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:58:33 No.21977679 Report

Quoted By: >>21977788

>>21977580

>Nope, she manipulated Maxie/Archie to revive the primals too.

here's the thing. Reviving Primal Groudon and Kyogre and the meteor would have both been mutually stopped by Mega Rayquaza because he literally has the power to do both things. Rayquaza LITERALLY has the power to stop them instantly, so she most likely she assumed that the ancient pokemon would be suppressed as soon as she called on Rayquaza.

Her only fault was not realizing Rayquaza's ability to mega evolve had been exhausted, which she had NO WAY OF KNOWING

>Wallace knows about the draconians, she could say I'm a draconian, go to sky pillar if you don't trust me. There, problem solved. But no, she wanted to be the hero herself.

I guess you missed the part where it was said repeatedly that she had been raised from the very beginning to say that this was HER duty and her job to do. Zinnia is very much a character bound by expectations and the concept of Zinnia, and the text makes it clear that she's suffered and pushed her to extremes for this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:59:15 No.21977690 Report

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>>21977664

But why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 01:59:51 No.21977704 Report

Quoted By: >>21977773 >>21977945

>>21977602
>>21977587

the scientists were completely ignorant to the distortions and portals created by mega evolution, which the Draconids and the player KNOW exist because of the Mirage Spots.

>But she doesn't know that the meteor would have killed people elsewhere? It could have warped and crashed into an uninhabited planet, which is far more likely.

by all means, let's gamble with people's lives

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:00:59 No.21977726 Report

Quoted By: >>21977871

>>21977672
In the delta eppisode Zinnia says "I teached Maxie/Archie how to revive the primals"

"Hey, Wallace, I'm a lorekeeper too, the world is at risk. Meet me at sky pillar (to rpove she's a lorekeeper). Explain shit, ask for help, profit.

Again, the scientists believed she was crazy because of the alternate hoenn bullshit, not because of her plan, she only explained her plan to the main character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:02:45 No.21977773 Report

Quoted By: >>21977804

>>21977704
>By all means let's gamble with people's lives

Like she did after destroying the link cable and betting everything to an ancient legend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:03:47 No.21977788 Report

Quoted By: >>21977822

>>21977679
>She was raised to destroy the meteor.
And suddenly that makes her unable to ask for help? To, you know, fulfill her fucking destiny

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:04:38 No.21977804 Report

Quoted By: >>21977860

>>21977773

there's a difference between gambling with your own destinies and with putting that risk upon the backs of people who have nothing to do with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:05:40 No.21977822 Report

Quoted By: >>21977860

>>21977788

no, but it DOES explain why she does fanatical and potentially self destructive things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:07:42 No.21977860 Report

Quoted By: >>21977914

>>21977804
The scientists were raised to believe they would achieve great things and save the world with their inventions. There, it's the same,mjust that the scientists KNOW their plan will work (even if they don't know the consequences of it)

>>21977822
It explains, but not justify them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:08:31 No.21977871 Report

Quoted By: >>21977895

>>21977726
Where in the Delta episode?
Cause I find it odd that a Grunt(Zinnia) would be able to tell Maxie/Archie how to revive the legends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:10:00 No.21977895 Report

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>>21977871
Don't remember exactly where, but they say Zinnia taught Maxie/Archie the secrets to reviving the primals. Either zinnia or steven tells you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:11:14 No.21977914 Report

Quoted By: >>21977983 >>21978039 >>21978801

>>21977860
>The scientists were raised to believe they would achieve great things and save the world with their inventions. There, it's the same,mjust that the scientists KNOW their plan will work (even if they don't know the consequences of it)

by all means then, let's have Zinnia let them kill a bunch of people unawares, just because they have the best of intentions.

>It explains, but not justify them.

I'm not saying that all of zinnia's actions are justifiable or even likable. But that doesn't mean she's truly a villain. She's a well intentioned extremist who makes mistakes within the context of a bad situation after living a very difficult life.

If people can understand and forgive AZ, we can give Zinnia a break

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:12:46 No.21977945 Report

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>>21977704
But the mirage spots are hoopa's fuckery

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:15:12 No.21977983 Report

Quoted By: >>21978000 >>21978095

>>21977914
Expet the scientists don't know/believe there is another hoenn, they said the meteor would be warped far away, not to a parallel dimension.

>But muh Hoopa
Read the pokédex, ot says "faraway places" not alternate realities...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:16:14 No.21978000 Report

Quoted By:

>>21977983
Except*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:18:41 No.21978039 Report

Quoted By: >>21978135

>>21977914
I'm not saying she's a villain, i'm saying she's a bad person. Meaning she's just not a good person, and she did too many unecessary bad things for her to be neutral

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:22:08 No.21978095 Report

Quoted By: >>21978147 >>21978205

>>21977983

and the scientists don't KNOW ABOUT THE DISTORTIONS AND PARALLEL UNIVERSES. which, AGAIN, we know exist. People make mistakes out of scientific ignorance that cause negative effects and loss of life in REAL LIFE, for crying out loud.

>I'm not saying she's a villain, i'm saying she's a bad person. Meaning she's just not a good person, and she did too many unecessary bad things for her to be neutral

you have some extremely exacting moral standards then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:24:14 No.21978135 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978039
She's also a bad character in the non-moral sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:24:53 No.21978147 Report

Quoted By: >>21978181 >>21978218

>>21978095
>We know parallel worlds exists
Conclusive proofs?

Hoopa's hoops and legends aren't conclusive as they could be warped from the other regions in the same world.

Arceus can replenish the legends, he can create legends at will (or at least he can create dialga, plakia and giratina).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:27:05 No.21978181 Report

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>>21978147

at the same time, they aren't proof that they DON'T lead to alternate dimensions and that still leaves the chance that they could kill a bunch of people elsewhere

that's not a risk you should be taking at ANY percentage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:27:25 No.21978185 Report

Quoted By: >>21978241

I don 't know why people are trying to use real world logic on this shit, she says theres an alt hoenn, then there's an alt hoenn

All the villains who are wrong get proved wrong in the same game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:28:50 No.21978205 Report

Quoted By: >>21978245 >>21978337

>>21978095
>Stealing
>Not bad

>helping fuckhuge primal monsters
>Not bad

But the only other dimensions proven to exist in the game are giratina, dialga, palkia, and arceus's. If you can find something official that proves
>muh alternate hoenn
I'll give up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:29:43 No.21978218 Report

Quoted By: >>21978256

>>21978147
>Conclusive proofs?

If she was wrong, they'd tell us, this IS a game for children after all

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:30:29 No.21978226 Report

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Love her. She's quirky and snarky and just rubs me the right way, despite the confusion she caused. She stole people's keystones, but it was for a good purpose, though it would have been better if she'd been polite about it instead...

I also imagine she'd have a rocking set of abs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:31:46 No.21978241 Report

Quoted By: >>21978281

>>21978185
It's a big "what if", on her part. She doesn't know if there are other dimensions, or if the meteor would destroy other life. It's a super small chance anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:32:03 No.21978245 Report

Quoted By: >>21978303

>>21978205
>If you can find something official that proves

They want you to put two and two together, its not a very hard story to follow

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:33:01 No.21978256 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978218
>This is a game for children
>Let's talk about the theories of teleportation

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:34:35 No.21978281 Report

Quoted By: >>21978323

>>21978241
>It's a big "what if", on her part.

Maybe so but she was obviously right, like its been said villains who are wrong get proved wrong, its a fucking kids game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:36:09 No.21978303 Report

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>>21978245
Maybe they want you to put two and two together and come to a conclusion that DOESN'T involve other dimensions. You can't prove shit. Meanwhile, we're producing evidence that you don't accept

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:37:36 No.21978323 Report

Quoted By: >>21978352

>>21978281
But you can't get proved wrong if you destroy the one chance of someone doing just that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:38:30 No.21978337 Report

Quoted By: >>21978381

>>21978205

from Zinnia's point of view, they WERE justified, and the circumstances were extreme enough to warrant extreme action. Compare that to people who do things for purely selfish goals or personal gain or those who disturb things that weren't broken to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:39:42 No.21978352 Report

Quoted By: >>21978438

>>21978323

the only way to prove her wrong is to try it, in which case, an alternate reality is still destroyed. YAY WE DID IT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:40:04 No.21978359 Report

Quoted By:

>>21975544
> and the device they wanted to use was too similar to AZ's weapon, which sacrificed lives to use

The device was already charged. Sea Mauville already collected all the infinity energy.

I just realized I'm arguing about fucking Pokemon lore, brb suicide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:41:18 No.21978381 Report

Quoted By: >>21978408 >>21978419

>>21978337
From Archie/Maxie's perspective, their actions were justified. Your point is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:42:58 No.21978408 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978381
These waifufags don't know shit about logic, don't try to reason with them, the people who have finished highschool know that for an action to be good, the methods, goals and objectives must be good as well if one of these is evil, the whole action in judged as evil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:43:26 No.21978417 Report

Quoted By:

>>21976471
I can't see shit, captain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:43:30 No.21978418 Report

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I liked Zinnia

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:43:37 No.21978419 Report

Quoted By: >>21978439 >>21978486

>>21978381

read my post

>or those who disturb things that weren't broken to begin with.

Zinnia's actions were done from the perspective that someone HAD to wake up Rayquaza, but from all Archie and Maxie knew, they were messing with a natural order that had no problems.

not to mention, you're supposed to sympathize with and forgive Archie and Maxie, as opposed to Giovanni and Ghetsis who are just megalomaniacs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:44:55 No.21978438 Report

Quoted By: >>21978456

>>21978352
But they knew that the device wouldn't send the meteor to another dimension. Are you going to a different dimension when you use the warps in the bases? No, and the link cable would function the same, as the scientist openly states

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:44:58 No.21978439 Report

Quoted By: >>21978479

>>21978419
>implying Giovani doesn't redeem himself in G/S/C, sevii islands plot and the origins anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:46:01 No.21978456 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978438
>inb4 muh waifu said alternate realities exists, that's why it's canon, the scientists are wrong, my waifu and her cult are right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:46:03 No.21978458 Report

Quoted By: >>21978520

Okay, just entered the thread here, but been lurking a bit. I'm going to ignore all the shit about whether or not her character is good, etc, and talk about something slightly different.

What, in a nutshell, are kids supposed to "learn" from this story? I know that's sort of a pretentious question to ask, and I know a big part of it is just supposed to be the "omg cool" factor with the blasting off into space and blowing shit up and all that, but let's consider the series for a second.

>gen 1
>don't be a cocky insufferable dickhead
>if you work hard you can accomplish shit
>gen 2
>bad people can learn to be good
>gen 3
>well-intentioned fanatics can do evil without truly intending it
>gen 4
>don't withdraw too much into your own spirituality, it might make you crazy as shit (this one's probably the most arguable)
>gen 5
>muh truth, muh ideals
>gen 6
>I don't know, have hope in humanity I guess?

The gen 3 story of fanatics doing bad for a greater good is still there with Flare and Aqua of course. Arguably you could say the same of Zinnia- she does some bad things to accomplish some greater good. The difference is that the story proves her right because the writers say so. What is a kid supposed to take from that, "don't consider the short-term effects of your actions if you're 100% sure you're right"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:47:23 No.21978479 Report

Quoted By: >>21978500

>>21978439

Origins is a canon of its own. doesn't count.

in HGSS, he's ready to run back to Team Rocket once he gets the call, you just make him feel pathetic again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:47:41 No.21978486 Report

Quoted By: >>21978535

>>21978419
But Arche and Maxie openly state the problems they find with the natural order. Natural order would have warped the meteor into deep space, mind you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:48:41 No.21978500 Report

Quoted By: >>21978535

>>21978479
>I don't like what you're saying, that's not canon even though it's been officially revealed.
Nice to see you're open to debate anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:50:19 No.21978520 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978458
I don't know what to say about the Delta Episode but the obvious takeaway from ORAS' main story was to respect nature. That's why there's all the shit in Rustboro Tunnel (we stopped drilling to protect the Pokemon), Sea Mauville's transformation into a nature reserve, constant repetitions of "Pokemon, humankind, and nature"...yeah, ORAS was easily babby's first environmentalist. Not in a Green Party sort of way, but in a "actions have consequences, nature should be protected" sort of way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:51:10 No.21978535 Report

Quoted By: >>21978556 >>21978558

>>21978500

in what way has it been officially revealed that Giovanni is a good guy now?

>>21978486

their reasonings were flawed. Same as Zinnia, but the difference is, with or without her, a meteorite is still going to kill us. There's no negative consequences of Magma and Aqua left things alone, while there is if Zinnia did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:52:43 No.21978556 Report

Quoted By: >>21978617

>>21978535
Except that if zinnia wasn't there, the meteor would be safely warped into deep space, with no harm caused

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:52:55 No.21978558 Report

Quoted By: >>21978617

>>21978535
>What is origins?
He wasn't a bad guy, he just lost his passion, he used to be just like Red, fighting Red make him recover his passion and disband team rocket.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:53:15 No.21978565 Report

Quoted By: >>21978630 >>21978643

She's pretty. I sold the game before I finished it so I guess I'll never find out if she's a bad character or not...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:56:00 No.21978617 Report

Quoted By: >>21978647 >>21978662

>>21978556

dude, stop trying us to make us believe harming the alternate dimensions are not a pointed risk here. The text is not on your side.

>>21978558

... Origins is a different storyline entirely. It's based on the games but it's not canon to them at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:57:04 No.21978630 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978565
>I sold the game before I finished it
Casual pls go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:57:41 No.21978643 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978565
>I sold the game before I finished it
Jeff pls go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:57:50 No.21978647 Report

Quoted By: >>21978720

>>21978617
>The text is not on your side
How? Cite another npc not crazy cultist zinnia who refers to alternate realities

>Origins is not canon
Why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 02:58:57 No.21978662 Report

Quoted By: >>21978746

>>21978617
Except it is, because cosmo explicitly states that the warp system functions like the warp panels. Nowhere are alternate realities stated to exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:02:56 No.21978720 Report

Quoted By: >>21978768 >>21978874 >>21978933

>>21978647

for the LAST FUCKING TIME, all the fucking shit in the game with the mirage spots and shit. anyone with half a brain would be able to put this together, and you're using the fact that it's artfully vague to argue the opposite. There's nothing to even so much as HINT that Arceus is causing or generating those legendaries, whereas there IS evidence of what Zinnia is saying.

>Why not?

because events happen in Origins that are completely fucking different from what happened in the games. Giovanni closing his gym involves a conversation and backstory never so much as hinted at in the games. There are no Mega Stones in RBY or FLRG. It's its own story, just like the anime, just like Zennsho, just like Adventures, just like EVERYTHING ELSE for the love of christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:04:18 No.21978746 Report

Quoted By: >>21978839

>>21978662

he says it's BASED on those things. They're quantifiably different in that the warp pads send you to a specific place, while they specifically state they have no idea where the fuck the Dimension Shifter is gonna send the meteorite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:05:39 No.21978768 Report

Quoted By: >>21978797

>>21978720
Nobody said arceus, however, hoopa fuckery is pretty obvious, and it's stated in-game that it opens wormholes to far away. Not other dimensions

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:07:14 No.21978797 Report

Quoted By: >>21978908

>>21978768

"far away" is a pretty broad term you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:07:23 No.21978801 Report

Quoted By: >>21978920

>>21977914
>If people can understand and forgive AZ, we can give Zinnia a break
Except AZ was nowhere NEAR as relevent to anything in the context of the campaign as Zinnia is. He had maybe 5 lines and a flashback, and then the shit at the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:09:39 No.21978839 Report

Quoted By: >>21978988

>>21978746
>Never called a Dimension Shifter in-game
You know what happens when you assume, anon! :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:10:48 No.21978874 Report

Quoted By:

>>21978720
>muh waifu said it.
The pokédex says "faraway place", the scientists in mosdeep say "faraway place" and like the teleportation mats, the only one who don't want ro see the truth is you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:11:19 No.21978886 Report

Quoted By:

>>21975997
Lol!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:12:44 No.21978908 Report

Quoted By: >>21979036

>>21978797
Dimensions aren't adistance away though. "Far away" is a measure of distance. Case closed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:13:29 No.21978920 Report

Quoted By: >>21978958

>>21978801

that's not what I mean. I mean the scale of their relative misdeeds relative to their more altruistic elements. AZ's goals are more personally selfish and involve a massive loss of life, which contrast with his means to atone, while the worst part of Zinnia's goals have a built in out to solve the worst consequences of them. Again, Rayquaza would have stopped Groudon/Kyogre along with the meteorite.

aside from that... she stole some stuff. How terrible I guess?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:13:52 No.21978933 Report

Quoted By: >>21979023

>>21978720
>Another timeline
Acutally the anime started with the R/B/G games in a gameboy, thus origins expands upon them, not create another timeline because muh lore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:15:04 No.21978958 Report

Quoted By: >>21979283

>>21978920
She destroyed the link cable because her religion said so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:16:48 No.21978988 Report

Quoted By: >>21979048

>>21978839

you didn't read what I said at all. The scientists say that the dimension shifter's eventual goal is vague. They don't know WHERE it will go, and if they did, they would have said so when Zinnia called them out. The text says that the dimension shifter operates on a similar principle to the warp pads, not that they're identical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:18:46 No.21979023 Report

Quoted By: >>21979073 >>21979096

>>21978933

are you seriously arguing that a fucking framing device means that Origins is set in the gameverse and is canon? fucking really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:20:02 No.21979036 Report

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>>21978908

you can't get further away than another dimension, which are separated from us by a literally infinite measure of distance. Case indeed closed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:21:14 No.21979048 Report

Quoted By: >>21979083

>>21978988
1. It's not a dimension shifter to begin with
2. If they had the technology to access other dimensions, don't you think that they'd have done so sooner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:21:35 No.21979057 Report

Quoted By: >>21979086 >>21979090

This started as a yes or no question about Zinnia what happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:22:41 No.21979073 Report

Quoted By: >>21979120

>>21979023

Are you seriously arguing that origins is a fucking alternate reality from the gameverse when the intro shows a gameboy and it follows the same story? Even referencing the ghost hand and other in-game shit? Fucking really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:23:11 No.21979083 Report

Quoted By: >>21979110

>>21979048

the device is fucking CALLED THE DIMENSION SHIFTER

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:23:43 No.21979086 Report

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>>21979057
Waifufags attacked whoever was critical or disliked Zinnia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:23:58 No.21979090 Report

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>>21979057
Muh dimensions happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:24:13 No.21979096 Report

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>>21979023
Just wait until the second batch of Kanto remakes motherfucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:25:20 No.21979110 Report

Quoted By: >>21979176

>>21979083
Sounds like you're upset. You should check again, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:25:57 No.21979120 Report

Quoted By: >>21979583

>>21979073

considering the main anime begins the exact same fucking away, yes, yes I do.

and there are too many differences between Origins for them to be the same. References are references. Zensho follows the plot of the games almost exactly too, but it's not canon either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:30:45 No.21979176 Report

Quoted By: >>21979185

>>21979110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GALFVvUahU

timestamp 1:02:24

"Zinnia crushed the dimensional shifter in her hand!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:31:19 No.21979185 Report

Quoted By: >>21979211

>>21979176
>Using english dub as proof

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:33:15 No.21979211 Report

Quoted By: >>21979237

>>21979185

you're really committed. I'll give you that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:34:48 No.21979237 Report

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>>21979211
It's not only one person either. We're at least two

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:38:05 No.21979283 Report

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>>21978958
she destroyed it because they wanted to teleport a fucking meteor somewhere else. Ever watched that Futurama episode where they do the same thing and the giant garbage meteor comes back again?
>her religion said so.
well, since you have a fucking legendary pokémon in your box and the same thing that her "religion" said that happened actually happened again some days ago, I'd think it's more than just a religion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:38:23 No.21979287 Report

Quoted By: >>21979371

>>21975110
>d-dont insult m-muh w-waifu :,(

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:41:03 No.21979320 Report

Quoted By: >>21979355

The scientists were, in effect, taking the meteor, and pusing it somewhere else. Apparently, that's not allowed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:41:06 No.21979323 Report

Quoted By: >>21979376 >>21979389

Sorry but the alternate universe theory is really fucking retarded. The character never states that she knows this will happen right? just that it could possibly happen since we have no way of knowing where it will teleport to. Think about how fucking retarded that is for a second

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:42:49 No.21979355 Report

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>>21979320

someone photoshop cozmo's head onto Patrick

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:43:58 No.21979371 Report

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>>21979287
>protects attributes of a character in the series
>>stop in ur traks waifu feg >>>:((

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:44:17 No.21979376 Report

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>>21979323
since you have no idea of where it will teleport to it could also teleport right inside of your ass. But I bet you'd like it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:45:14 No.21979389 Report

Quoted By: >>21979437 >>21979611 >>21979650

>>21979323

she also says the draconids have been observing this shit for centuries. You can't consider her to be a liar without also considering Wallace and her grandma to be liars as well.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:46:28 No.21979422 Report

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Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:47:03 No.21979437 Report

Quoted By: >>21979452

>>21979389
Can't observe tech that doesn't exist yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:48:35 No.21979452 Report

Quoted By: >>21979513 >>21979560

>>21979437

I'm not talking about tech. I'm talking about the distortions, which according to the draconids, have been occurring since mega evolution was discovered

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:51:48 No.21979513 Report

Quoted By: >>21980020

>>21979452
Nothing was ever mentioned about distortions. Just primals and meteors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:53:32 No.21979560 Report

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>>21979452
Nd yet we arrive at the same point, she didn't explain jack shit, just acted high and mighty.

Imagine that a meteor is about to strike the earth, and nasa is developing a fuel able to teleport rhe meteor, you storm right into nasa and say "you're all retarded, oil and fuel caused the afghan wars, faggets" and procceed to steal the fuel and destroy it. What do you think would happen then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:54:45 No.21979583 Report

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>>21979120
> The exact plotpoints in origins are references
> A nod to the original games is not a reference is canon and everything muh waifu says is true.

Hypocrite.

Russ 1478-5476-3098 (Wobuffet, Xatu, Abra)

Russ 1478-5476-3098 (Wobuffet, Xatu, Abra) Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:56:42 No.21979611 Report

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>>21979389

I didn't call her a liar, I am saying that the chain of thought of assuming something will happen with no evidence or reason is fucking retarded. That's like me saying, if i throw this banana peel on the sidewalk, a man carrying a unstable bomb could walk by and slip on it and blow up my house

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:58:03 No.21979634 Report

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I took the alternate universe thing to be GameFreak's way of saying "this is how Mega Evolution exists in this game and not the originals". Personally I found it brilliant and didn't question it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:58:58 No.21979650 Report

Quoted By: >>21979699

>>21979389
But wallace didn't destroy the device built to save the world, now did he?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 03:59:28 No.21979661 Report

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>>21975860
Ten bucks says this is why Looker has amnesia in the new verse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 04:01:57 No.21979699 Report

Quoted By: >>21979755

>>21979650

>the device built to save the world
the same is true of the atom bomb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 04:05:39 No.21979755 Report

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>>21979699
That's a tangent entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 04:09:11 No.21979811 Report

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>>21975428
>she's tsundere
fix'd that for you

I like Zinnia though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 04:23:53 No.21980020 Report

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>>21979513
You have played the Delta Episode right? "From generation to generation, we pass along the lore about the distortions in the world borne by the Mega Evolution mechanism".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 04:52:42 No.21980486 Report

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I'm hearing about this bitch wanted to revive the primals so their bitchfit would summon mega rayray

Given that this is now a modern world, wouldn't said bitchfit have killed a SHITTON of people? With all the Sonic comparisons here, you're basically trying to trigger Perfect Chaos Vs Iblis, where the former wiped out the equivalent of Chicago or New York, and the latter wiped out civilization as a whole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 05:39:51 No.21981163 Report

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>>21974813
thanks doc

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